Polyphony Formula Help....

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Is it true the Polyphony Formula cars can't access the shop to change the oil !?! Also, I've been tuning this thing to death and it is still very "skittish" - In GT-3, these cars stuck like glue, this one "gets loose" in the corners .... the rear just seems to break loose and comes around unexpectedly, and on long straights, if feels like air is getting under the front and causing it to dance around. Another thing I noticed, on the Twin Ring - the two inside tires wore out before the two outside....this seemed backwards to me !?! Is this car glitched or is it just me ???

Mark.
 
I haven't been able to change the oil or do any tune ups either. I'm guessing that was done for a reason. As far as setup goes, at first I lowered the car WAY too much. An F1 Car needs room for the suspension to work. Lowering it will help create downforce and change directions, but it will also cause it to bounce over every curb. Try giving it a little more room and decrease the suspension settings just a little bit.

When I did the Twin Ring (circle track right?) My Inside front and outside rear wore down WAY before my other tires.

If your car is getting loose (overstear) in the corners then you need to work on the car's balance. There are lots of things you can do. The easiest and quickest is to take off some of the wing on the front. That will induce more oversteer, balancing your car. Or move some weight to the back. A perfect setup is where the front and the back break free together, however just a little bit of oversteer is usually faster.

PS > The F1 Car in GT4 is way more realistic than in GT3. You just need to drive it more. I thought the same things when I first got it. Give it time and work on your setup. (Don't do anything drastic, small changes)
 
ckelley27
If your car is getting loose (overstear) in the corners then you need to work on the car's balance. There are lots of things you can do. The easiest and quickest is to take off some of the wing on the front. That will induce more oversteer, balancing your car. Or move some weight to the back. A perfect setup is where the front and the back break free together, however just a little bit of oversteer is usually faster.
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Just as clarification, reducing front wing will induce UNDERsteer, not over, as mentioned above. I'm sure this is just a mental lapse of CK, as I am quite prone to doing the same thing.

Beyond that, I find the PD F1 to be quite a well handling car in it's original config, ran the snot out of it on Twin Ring Endurance. Once the tires go however, it's a lost cause, I could not keep the car from spinning at every turn, regardless of the amount of steering input. Haven't tried any longer distance races on non-toilet bowls with the car however.
 
I find the car tends to act peculiarly when you are cornering without throttle. Sometimes the front end will wash out or the rear end will kick out unexpectedly. Brake early and be on the acclerator to keep the weight on the rear tires.
 
I've noticed the same handlingproblems as well - and after running races with several pitstops - I found that I only get them when my tyres are warm (Green) - never when they are cold or turning yellow.

I like the idea of spinning out of control when loosing grip and pushing too hard - but It's the wrong car and at the wrong time.

Now I drive like an old lady a couple of laps after pitstops.
 
graveslids
Just as clarification, reducing front wing will induce UNDERsteer, not over, as mentioned above. I'm sure this is just a mental lapse of CK, as I am quite prone to doing the same thing.

Beyond that, I find the PD F1 to be quite a well handling car in it's original config, ran the snot out of it on Twin Ring Endurance. Once the tires go however, it's a lost cause, I could not keep the car from spinning at every turn, regardless of the amount of steering input. Haven't tried any longer distance races on non-toilet bowls with the car however.
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Yea... you are right.. A slight lapse of thought..... Reducing the wing will induce understeer which will cause the car to be more balanced. (If you are having a problem with oversteer)

Thanks for catching that.......
 
Mark R.
Is it true the Polyphony Formula cars can't access the shop to change the oil !?! Also, I've been tuning this thing to death and it is still very "skittish" - In GT-3, these cars stuck like glue, this one "gets loose" in the corners .... the rear just seems to break loose and comes around unexpectedly, and on long straights, if feels like air is getting under the front and causing it to dance around. Another thing I noticed, on the Twin Ring - the two inside tires wore out before the two outside....this seemed backwards to me !?! Is this car glitched or is it just me ???

Mark.
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1. Yes, it is true, but the car doesn't lose hp anyway, so it doesn't matter.
2. The default rear toe is -6, change it to -2 to get out of turns faster and easier.
3. If the long straight is the the straight on Sarthe, it is because the road is very bumpy and you will need to raise the ride height. If the straight is flat with not many bumps, increase the downforce.
4. If this is the Super Speedway you are talking about, you could try raising the ride height some. This happens to me, however, it is on the front left tire, and it turns red when the other tires are a medium shade of green.
5. The car isn't glitched, the settings are your problem. :ouch:

Hope this helps,
Duck7892
 
but isn't there a noticable drop in HP after you put lots of miles on it?

LOL it's cool if it has SUPER synthetic oil that never needs to be changed.
 
I find it seems to "spaz" out sometimes through some corners when Im NOT accelerating. Particularly the high-speed chicane at R246. I find I have to drop down to 5th and acclerate instead of coasting (at the same speed) in 6th.
 
Yeah. I just finished the F1 champ earlier today. I calculated the total milage for the last 13 of the 15 races (didnt come up with the idea to keep adding miles until the 3rd race), and its 2519.21 miles. The car was pretty much the same at the end as it was at the beginning.

The 15 lap race on the 'ring was a headache at first though. You can only run 2 laps, and the last quarter of lap 2 is hard as hell bc the tires are really worn. However, after 6 laps, I figured out how to run it hard.

Pretty much you just gotta practice with the car. You eventually get the feel of the car and stop losing control. Ive also noticed most of the weird turning problems occur on uneven road when the car tends to bounce.

However, once you get the feel for it, all problems seem to vanish...
 
Crayola
I find it seems to "spaz" out sometimes through some corners when Im NOT accelerating. Particularly the high-speed chicane at R246. I find I have to drop down to 5th and acclerate instead of coasting (at the same speed) in 6th.
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Yeah the one chicane on the backstraight got me a bunch of times, it seemed like the red pavement had less traction or something.
 
ChicagoGSX
Yeah the one chicane on the backstraight got me a bunch of times, it seemed like the red pavement had less traction or something.
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Check the replay if you get the chance. I bet the car gets a wheel off the ground on the down slope if you run full out. When I ran that race I kept losing it there, but if I let off the gas right before the downhill turn, just for a moment, I never had any problems, prolly cuz I was sticking all 4 at the lower speed.
 
Rockhound18
The 15 lap race on the 'ring was a headache at first though. You can only run 2 laps, and the last quarter of lap 2 is hard as hell bc the tires are really worn. However, after 6 laps, I figured out how to run it hard.
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Yeah! I'm currently at the Ring and you're right... it's a real headache. Before going to sleep I checked, in Practice mode, how many laps I could go by going full-speed. The rear tires were worn out before the end of 2nd lap. I think that if I push less and stay close to AI i'll be able to do 2 complete laps before pitting.
 
Valkendorm
Yeah! I'm currently at the Ring and you're right... it's a real headache. Before going to sleep I checked, in Practice mode, how many laps I could go by going full-speed. The rear tires were worn out before the end of 2nd lap. I think that if I push less and stay close to AI i'll be able to do 2 complete laps before pitting.
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This is also the case on the Real Circuit Tours in the Extreme Hall... I let my B-spec dude do it whilst I was eating breakfast... He was 20 seconds ahead then I noticed the tyres were fading fast so I slipped him onto 2 and he lost all of his lead to 2 seconds by the straight but pulled away on the straight only to lose it in the grass next to the pit entrance and then I watched the inevitable happen as he struggled to refind the tarmac and 1st went begging to the Sauber C9!!

C.
 
F1 cars can lock the rear wheels in low gears if you come off the power - must coner on the power otherwise the engine braking effect will cause you problems.

Maybe this is why some people are having random sideways moments and wondering why?
 
HKSpowers
but isn't there a noticable drop in HP after you put lots of miles on it?

LOL it's cool if it has SUPER synthetic oil that never needs to be changed.
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It has been stated in a topic that "special cars" have a sort of service team. the oil wile be changed and so are the engine parts and chassis after each race, just like in real life F1 racing.
 
Tried to figure out my problems and ran a quick test.

I've been driving High Speed Ring and experienced a total loss of control and serious paintjob costs in the first and second turn, at full throttle.

I mentioned before - it only happens in the first 1 or 2 laps with warm (green) tyres. I have changed the gearbox setting (ca 17) but the rest is default.

As I floored it - it shouldn't be the the "cornering without throttle" problem. Since I don't encounter it when my tyres deteriorate I don't think it's a "ride-high thing" either.

Which in turn led me to believe it's simply a stability problem at high speeds. Maybe I wasn't reaching as high speeds with poor tyres? What surprised me is I could loose control at speeds around 320km/h (200mph) or less, but with yellow or even red tyres I would have no problem at speeds in excess of 340km/h (210 Mph (typically) or 370km/h (230Mph) while overtaking (slipstream).

I decided early on that chickenspeeds would be a solution to the problems but this only works with seriously decreased speeds (ca 100km/h slower) and often resulted in the "cornering without throttle" problem instead.

I thought perhaps it had to do with loss of downforce while turning (!) but in the second turn I would brake hard and turn from the previously mentioned speeds - and the only thing that seemed to affect it was the colour of my tyres.

Another far fetched theory would be short distances of flight which results in bad spin-outs when the tyres have perfect grip - and as they wear down they simply hasn't the bite to mess up the landing...

Do I have strange tyres or have I unknowingly messed up my settings to get this very predictalbe and intermittent problem?

Oh - It might be poor driving as well!
 
Thanks for all the input everyone. I've since been driving the car a whole bunch and tweaking the settings as per all your suggestions .... I AM getting better !!! Like was previously mentioned, a lot of it is just getting used to the car itself. Raising the car car up off the ground did help considerably as did softening up the suspension. I'm just going into the sixth race of the 15 race formula series .... all a-spec. The first couple races were with the car "factory stock" and really gave me some handling problems. Subsequent races have had the aforementioned mods done and have won the rest easily by a couple laps each. Like any new car, they all need a little tweaking and a lot of driving.

Mark.
 
Mark R.
Thanks for all the input everyone. I've since been driving the car a whole bunch and tweaking the settings as per all your suggestions .... I AM getting better !!! Like was previously mentioned, a lot of it is just getting used to the car itself. Raising the car car up off the ground did help considerably as did softening up the suspension. I'm just going into the sixth race of the 15 race formula series .... all a-spec. The first couple races were with the car "factory stock" and really gave me some handling problems. Subsequent races have had the aforementioned mods done and have won the rest easily by a couple laps each. Like any new car, they all need a little tweaking and a lot of driving.

Mark.
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This is quite odd really as I remember that in GT3 the F1 cars were set up perfectly for driving from the off... and tweaking anything (except gears) led to an undrivable car!!

The programmers obviously didn't set the beast up so well this time round... unless of course they set it up very well it's just that we're not good enough for the set up?! (Chicken and Egg anyone?!)

C.
 
Spook - have you tried raising the back or stiffer springs?
Wonder if the very high G on fresh tyres causes some bottoming out of the suspension?
 
7 gears.

I also have the "slow straight speed for B-spec problem" maybe it will solve with tuning or training of the b-spec
 
I did the changes, raising and stiffening the suspension at the back and after a very short testperiod it seems to be fixed or att least reduced!
I remember having the same problem playing "Pitstop II" on the Commodore.

Thanks again!
 

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