Porsche Can't Afford Volkswagen

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Even so, that's still a fair bit less than Audi's trying to pass off the R8 for.
 
$150k? I'll take ten of these instead:
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Well, $140K for a loaded R-tronic version with everything. $111K for the standard model. (Note, that's not the V10 version.)
 
^Yeah I didn't bother checking the website and just looked at another link. I guess they were wrong. I probably should have checked the website.

Anyways new topic. Porsche can't afford VW.
 
40k was quite a big chunk of money for 1987. I think the average income was 20k or so vs close to 50k (I think) now. (It's 55 in Washington.)
 
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Anyways new topic. Porsche can't afford VW.
You can't just change the first post to a new topic. It makes the next 6 posts look a bit strange.
 
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Porsche looked so good on the outside but it turns out they are in pretty bad shape:

http://www.autoweek.com/article/20090423/CARNEWS/904239993

Porsche isn't in bad shape. They would be in bad shape, but they rectified their problem before it became a problem. ...Like a responsible company should.

I just hope they have a clause in there with the VW merger in case they need to escape the burden of VW's baggage.
 
you sure? Porsche has 9 billion € debt due their stubborn chase for dominating the VAG.. true, Porsche might be the most profitable, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have debt.. At the moment they're speaking of merger.
 
Porsche might be the most profitable, but that doesn't mean they wouldn't have debt.. At the moment they're speaking of merger.

Debt is not a problem in the slightest, too much debt could be.
 
well, I'd say that they DO have too much debt if they've agreed to merge with VAG in order to survive.. :dopey:

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Porsche and VW agree merger

By Daniel Schäfer in Frankfurt

Published: May 6 2009 19:22 | Last updated: May 7 2009 00:04

Volkswagen and Porsche announced plans to merge on Wednesday in a move that would relieve the sports carmaker from its debt burden and bring the 3½-year takeover saga surrounding Europe’s largest carmaker to an end.

After a meeting of the Porsche family owners and VW and Porsche executives in Salzburg, the family clan agreed to create an “integrated car-manufacturing group” with 10 marques united under one roof.

The move would in effect set Porsche aside from the nine existing brands of the VW group and bring the sports carmaker’s hopes of a domination of Europe’s largest carmaker to an end.

“The independence of all brands and explicitly also of Porsche shall be ensured,” Porsche said in a statement.

People close to the situation said the plan to create a new holding company would be preceded by a capital increase of up to €4.5bn ($5.9bn) at the stock market-listed Porsche holding.

Porsche said a task force of Porsche and VW managers, works council representatives from both companies and the state of Lower Saxony aimed to devise final details of the company structure in the next four weeks.

Lower Saxony owns just over 20 per cent in VW and has the right to block crucial decisions such as a merger.

Wednesday’s agreement closed a family schism that had opened between Wolfgang Porsche, chairman of the eponymous carmaker, and Ferdinand Piëch, chairman at VW, in recent weeks.

The headstrong family managers had clashed over how to bail out Porsche, which is ailing under a €9bn debt load from its stake-building at VW.

Mr Porsche had rebuffed an idea by Mr Piëch for VW to take over Porsche AG, the automotive business that is owned by the indebted holding company.

Porsche has used a contentious options strategy and spent about €23bn to gain control of a nearly 51 per cent stake in VW. It had initially aimed to increase that stake to more than 75 per cent to control the carmaker through a domination agreement.

The new car group could aim to attract outside investors. People close to the situation said several sovereign wealth investors from the Middle East, one from Qatar, had expressed interest in investing in a combined VW/Porsche group.
 
What was Porsche supposed to do? They have fast cars and lots of money, everything anyone could need before chasing after VAG.

Porsche might have debt, but their upper management sure played the game well. Those guys are most likely quite rich by now. Unfortunately, it sounds like the merger is just happening because nobody had the facilities to buy Porsche's debt, not that they wouldn't if they could. So if VAG is taking it on, then it's still a stretch for them even if they're back on top. Though, I doubt Porsche is just going to settle in the VAG. I mean, I can't see what's going on in the VAG, but I have a good feeling that things are going to go back and forth for a while. Hopefully Porsche can pull out before too long.
 
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