Porsche's Gran Turismo 7 Vision GT Car: New Details Coming in December

[Famine]

This is the discussion thread for an article on GTPlanet:

Porsche’s Gran Turismo 7 Vision GT Car: New Details Coming in December​

Porsche will be revealing more information about its Vision Gran Turismo car, an exclusive and unique design for the Gran Turismo series, during December’s flagship FIA Certified Online Championship World Finals...

 

[MadMax97]

Hope to see new GT7 content in this trailer (tracks and other stuff)..

 

[Epic B]

I always assumed the Porsche on the GT7 cover was the Vision GT.

 

[ICEYOU3]

Porsche/Ruf fans are in for a treat with this game.

 

[RCKakashi14]

This could be the car for the final round of the GT Sport Porsche Asia Pacific Cup, which will take place on December 12.

Wishful thinking, but hey.

 

[TheRacer94]

This could be the car for the final round of the GT Sport Porsche Asia Pacific Cup, which will take place on December 12.

Wishful thinking, but hey.

On GT7 final race🤔

 

[Samus]

Hope to see new GT7 content in this trailer (tracks and other stuff)..

Who said anything about a trailer?

 

[Coquico]

Can't get enough porsches!

 

[dimassa19]

Nice!

 

[Aero2000]

Cant wait to see more of this and hopefully more cars from the brand

 

[GBalao888]

This could make it the first VGT to be a cover car.

Well anyways I'm praying it's not an EV, and at best, I really hope it's a high-performance hybrid. It looks like a fusion of the Carrera GT, 918 Spyder and Mission R combined all into one car.

 

[Quakebass]

If there’s a showcase for the car it’s possible other yet-unknown Porsche content could be revealed as well, but there’s no guarantee we’ll learn a lot more about GT7 at that time of asking.

 

[261004]

"The World Finals of the 2021 Series to be Broadcast December 3 to 5!"​

"During the Nations Cup on December 5, there will also be an exciting announcement from Porsche regarding the Vision Gran Turismo project."

checks schedule

"Formula 1 STC Saudi Arabian Grand Prix"

WHICH ONE SHOULD I WATCH?!?!

 

[Imari]

Whoop dee doo, more imaginary cars based on imaginary technology that even if it were somehow real would probably be made in single digit numbers with an eight digit price tag.

So much for Gran Turismo going back to it's roots: the game where you got to drive and modify everyday cars.

 

[05XR8]

Concept cars are in GT DNA. I never used them much(Don‘t think I used that Dodge Copperhead thing). Well, we’ll see what happens after this reveal.

 

[Hasnain282]

"Formula 1 STC Saudi Arabian Grand Prix"

WHICH ONE SHOULD I WATCH?!?!

Quali and Race times for F1 are 3 hours after the GT streams.
You'll probably miss a practice session if you can only watch one though

 

[Auditore]

Whoop dee doo, more imaginary cars based on imaginary technology that even if it were somehow real would probably be made in single digit numbers with an eight digit price tag.

So much for Gran Turismo going back to it's roots: the game where you got to drive and modify everyday cars.

The bugatti VGT and the Audi E tron exists in real life and there is enough space in the game for a few VGTs,real life cars are still the majority

 

[Imari]

The bugatti VGT and the Audi E tron exists in real life and there is enough space in the game for a few VGTs,real life cars are still the majority

It's not about what there's space for in the game, there's space for a couple of Wipeout anti-grav ships if they wanted. VGTs were a cute idea that went off the rails when the car manufacturers started using it as a means to swordfight with their e-peens.

At best it's pure marketing bollocks. They're random engineering projects that have less real world application than most concept cars. At least if they all fit in a single racing category there could be something around having a manufacturers challenge. But Polyphony's failure to set any bounds on the project meant that manufacturers were free to do whatever they wanted, from the plausible BMW and Honda to the slightly bonkers but cool looking Mercedes to the outright impossible Chaparral and Dodge.

Hell, the cars are supposed to be Grand Tourers, hence the name. From the Gran Turismo VGT page: "The Vision Gran Turismo project started with a single question from Gran Turismo founder Kazunori Yamauchi: “Would you design your rendition of the ideal GT for us?” GT stands for Gran Turismo or Grand Tourer (where the game got its name from), which describes a sporty performance coupe."

Half of them are just race cars that would be defeated by a sleeping policeman, and at this point I wish the entire thing would bugger off and they would start again with some actual restrictions that would require the manufacturers to design something at least moderately related to the initial concept.

 

[sparkytooth]

People still seething about VGT cars 8 years later. Like how people take what Kaz says in a single instance like 9 years ago super seriously as their point as if things are never subject to change and as if Kaz himself never changes what he thinks. While at the same time never believing what Kaz says about game features and the like because he "isn't reliable".

 

[Rotax2020]

I am not interested in fictional cars.

Instead they should bring some rare, but real, prototypes to the game

 

[Northstar]

People still seething about VGT cars 8 years later.

It's almost like this is a discussion forum or something...

 

[Famine]

I am not interested in fictional cars.

Sounds like the entire Gran Turismo series, from 1997 to 2022, just isn't for you then.

Instead they should bring some rare, but real, prototypes to the game

Why is there an "instead"? We're not missing out on cars in Gran Turismo because some other cars are there instead; we get all the cars we can get. Omitting a car doesn't mean it can be replaced with something else, it means it's omitted.

 

[05XR8]

That’s been one of the reasons for arguments through the years, assets could have been used to build a 1983 Cadillac, than taking the time to model a fantasy car.

Doesn’t bother me. We get what we get. I’ll complain a little about cars I wish we had.

 

[SnakeOfBacon]

OK, it'll be nice to know something about the car this year, mostly just whether it has gears or not.
More importantly, 34 days until 2022 and Nike hasn't said anything! Are they waiting for NYE?

 

[Samus]

People still seething about VGT cars 8 years later. Like how people take what Kaz says in a single instance like 9 years ago super seriously as their point as if things are never subject to change and as if Kaz himself never changes what he thinks. While at the same time never believing what Kaz says about game features and the like because he "isn't reliable".

I mean, it's literally in the name. Vision Gran Turismo. Their vision of a Gran Turismo car. It's not the same as Kaz saying the next game will have the best physics ever.

People are still "seething" because it was supposed to be a short year long project in Gran Turismo 6 for the 15th anniversary, now we're running into the third game where they're taking a large part of the spotlight.

GT has always had concepts, but they were usually concepts of real future road cars, like the 350Z, GT-R, Viper, NSX, RX8, etc, most of which carried over from the specific Concept Car game. It was fun to drive what we knew were coming as real road cars before they released. Most of the VGT cars however have been wacky spaceships that will never be made, only a few were actually based on future real cars.

There was also the percentage issue. GT4 had around 30 concept cars out of 700, less than 5%. GTS, at launch, had 34 out of 162. 20% of the cars were VGTs. It's not going to be as bad as that on GT7, ~45 out of ~420, so back down to 10%. But they're still pretty abundant. There could have been another 20-30 real cars if they hadn't been modelling VGTs.

So on the contrary, I don't know why people still have a hard time understanding why other people dislike the VGT program.

 

[ExoticMachines]

I SAY BRING ON MORE ****ING VGT CARS!!!!!

 

[TiMcF1]

It's not about what there's space for in the game, there's space for a couple of Wipeout anti-grav ships if they wanted. VGTs were a cute idea that went off the rails when the car manufacturers started using it as a means to swordfight with their e-peens.

At best it's pure marketing bollocks. They're random engineering projects that have less real world application than most concept cars. At least if they all fit in a single racing category there could be something around having a manufacturers challenge. But Polyphony's failure to set any bounds on the project meant that manufacturers were free to do whatever they wanted, from the plausible BMW and Honda to the slightly bonkers but cool looking Mercedes to the outright impossible Chaparral and Dodge.

Hell, the cars are supposed to be Grand Tourers, hence the name. From the Gran Turismo VGT page: "The Vision Gran Turismo project started with a single question from Gran Turismo founder Kazunori Yamauchi: “Would you design your rendition of the ideal GT for us?” GT stands for Gran Turismo or Grand Tourer (where the game got its name from), which describes a sporty performance coupe."

Half of them are just race cars that would be defeated by a sleeping policeman, and at this point I wish the entire thing would bugger off and they would start again with some actual restrictions that would require the manufacturers to design something at least moderately related to the initial concept.

Yeah i hope this porsche is at least a little bit relatable. Something Akin to a 918 maybe?

Love it when it's done right though, like imo Citroen's GT, Bugatti VGT(doubt it could ever be lMP1 materialbut w/e), Fitipaldi's EF7 and I don't really think much of track cars, being always specialised and exclusive. but everything about the EF7 spec and performance feels like a modern day tribute to a mid 90's GT1 race car. Puts a smile on my face and is nicely balanced. I'd chose this over any thousand hp track exclusive.

Not to mention the FT-1, BMW also lexus' contribution(the ground clearance not withstanding) even the hyundai and mazda VGT's are somewhat passable. I feel as though the designers of these particular VGT models approached the virtual project with a good understanding of relativity.

Also after seeing Bugatti's Bolide, that Lambo VGT doesn't look quite as ambitious anymore.

 

[GBalao888]

That’s been one of the reasons for arguments through the years, assets could have been used to build a 1983 Cadillac, than taking the time to model a fantasy car.

Doesn’t bother me. We get what we get. I’ll complain a little about cars I wish we had.

Have to agree with you there.

The irony is that it would take longer to build fantasy vehicles (or at least even fictional racing versions of real cars). Don't get me wrong, as much as I would love to have more real life cars, I also love the idea of VGT as a whole, as it allows manufacturers and designers to have more creative freedom in designing their ideal car for the Gran Turismo universe, whether it's building a stunning design exercise or something high-tech and almost borderline science-fiction, it does have some past, present and future involved in it in some way, and that it eventually led to the development of real-life vehicles (you won't have the Bugatti Chiron, Toyota GR Supra or IsoRivolta Zagato GTZ without the VGT program).

Alas, concepts are also part of car culture, celebrating design and technology, no matter how realistic or absurd it may be. The idea of it alone is to either look back at the brand's roots, preview new design language or explore new means of going around with the design and technologies of these cars, even if in real life, the chances of driving them are almost little to none, unless the spirit of that car will be translated into a production version.

 

[MasterGT]

which describes a sporty performance coupe."

If a Porsche VGT is not a sporty performance coupe, I don't know what would be one.

 

[Siren]

I mean, it's literally in the name. Vision Gran Turismo. Their vision of a Gran Turismo car. It's not the same as Kaz saying the next game will have the best physics ever.

People are still "seething" because it was supposed to be a short year long project in Gran Turismo 6 for the 15th anniversary, now we're running into the third game where they're taking a large part of the spotlight.

GT has always had concepts, but they were usually concepts of real future road cars, like the 350Z, GT-R, Viper, NSX, RX8, etc, most of which carried over from the specific Concept Car game. It was fun to drive what we knew were coming as real road cars before they released. Most of the VGT cars however have been wacky spaceships that will never be made, only a few were actually based on future real cars.

There was also the percentage issue. GT4 had around 30 concept cars out of 700, less than 5%. GTS, at launch, had 34 out of 162. 20% of the cars were VGTs. It's not going to be as bad as that on GT7, ~45 out of ~420, so back down to 10%. But they're still pretty abundant. There could have been another 20-30 real cars if they hadn't been modelling VGTs.

So on the contrary, I don't know why people still have a hard time understanding why other people dislike the VGT program.

I genuinely have a hard time understanding why people still have an issue with this in 2021. Should this be in GT ? Should it be less ridiculous and more realistic ? Is it a marketing ploy ? Its all debatable and I understand the debate but at the same time it shouldn't be debatable at all because its all pretty moving numbers and letters with nice sounds at the end of the day. Whether or not this thing should be in the game instead that thing and allocating assets, dev time, budget in a brand that has built to be fake and make money from people twiddling their thumbs thumbs on tiny round sticks and pressing triggers OR a toy steering wheel. I genuinely have a hard time understanding why people have an issue with this in 2021.