Possibility of GT8 going Open World

[PirovacBoy]

Not with the version currently implemented in the game, sadly

Violet was vicious indeed.
And to be honest, no one was able to beat her fair and square no one, not a single player.
The ones who managed to finish in front of her were cheating and driving unfair.
So actually she was 100% Endboss.
To me she was my bittee sweet love.
Always in sight yet unreachable.
My perfect motivation tool 🤭😬

Just to clarify we aren’t really talking open world in the MMO type way but more larger OD (Open driving spaces)?

Of course not, god beware 😅 not because i wouldn't be into it IF players would treat it with a like minded attitude but because we all know how humanity behaves with no strings attached 😅

I just don’t see how it fits the style of racing GT has always provided and refined over 2 decades resisting realistic damage models, resisting very dramatic racing dynamics and courses. Everything has been focused around traditional racing formats

But we would not have to do without.
Of course the main sauce remains the same like i mentioned in my opening post, but moreover PD adds some more variant spice.
An OW build around the core gameplay mechanics.
A symbiotic co existance in perfect harmony.
Or more comprehensible said the best of both worlds combining its roots and expanding car culture.
Especially Japan with its Wangan style, North Americas Gumball 3000 scene or Europeans' Underground street racing/Autobahn scene just to name a few ones.
And of course traditional Track based racing.
You get it?
No one would have to waive.

Secondly, and being pragmatic how big/niche is the player base for GT that wants to play an RP GT7 game?

No idea to honest but i assume the single player based player wouldn't be far off.

As I said before long point to point or city circuits can fit and have done in the past, but what your suggesting is very far away from a GT experience for both new and old players.

I would not agree on the last part but fair play. I get what you mean.
People tend to stay within their safe place.
Yet sticking their nose out of their comfort zone has led many to change their mind.

Imagine how badly it could all go wrong in an instant, with big leaps come big falls.

Absolutely, it could go either way sure.
Yet, with the current massive leap towards OW Driving experience and games like Forza etc. I can't imagine big falls.
Not as long GT stays true to its roots which like i mentioned before should never be abandoned completely.

Ultimately they really don’t need to reinvent anything more refine the magic sauce they have. Anything else is a distraction for what could be called a moderately sized studio.

Agree absolutely.
Which doesn't mean they should not be open for new things.

Yes, of course it is. The training occurs offline (in PC clusters), the game gets the results - and the wick is turned down to make it accessible.

Exactly.
What are your thoughts?
Do you think a PS6 would be capable to do all of that in real time.

And now don't get me wrong folks but my family and me are currently on vacation in my home country Croatia🇭🇷 and i have to set priorities if you get what i mean

 

[newmedia_dev]

Why step on GTAs toes when you already have the best in class experience you want to provide? Why strove to achieve where the market or others don’t think your product is at?

For brevity and sanity, it’s not the direction they are going realistically is it? Hopium is fine but the best OD/OW game took 10 years of development and over 1 billion dollars with a studio knocking on 10 times the size and with 2 decades of experience and tooling to lean on.

On the realistic scale it’s not ever going to be a serious proposition.

 

[jrbabbitt]

The one issue of "open world" is that you cannot have any acceptable and unbiased race from point A to B.
It would be nice to just drive around but if and when you want to race then routes will be flagged/blocked off, and restrictions on the race would be necessary hence it would no longer be "open"

 

[PirovacBoy]

Why step on GTAs toes when you already have the best in class experience you want to provide? Why strove to achieve where the market or others don’t think your product is at?

For brevity and sanity, it’s not the direction they are going realistically is it? Hopium is fine but the best OD/OW game took 10 years of development and over 1 billion dollars with a studio knocking on 10 times the size and with 2 decades of experience and tooling to lean on.

On the realistic scale it’s not ever going to be a serious proposition.

You really don't get what i'm saying do you?!
And that is not meant offensive at all.
But i don't get why you constantly throwing in GTA?
Or why you constantly keep arguing as if YOU know exactly what players or we the consumers actually want to have.
I'm sure that neither you, same lime me, and most probably any other around here actually KNOWS what the majority of players want.
We assume, ok, i get that, but how can you speak for the community as a whole?
I get that you personally don't like the idea, that's fine like i said fair play, to each his own.
But stating or speaking and arguing in a way as if you know exactly what we want is a bit... Brave .
Assumptions aside we all don't know what PD is up for or what their upcoming title will or will not feature.
Agree?!
So of course we can discuss anything as long as we have some basic knowledge, which unfortunately i guess no one around here really has.

The opening post was a question of a possible GT8 OW Game.
It wasn't meant to become a topic of personal preference or not.
You stated some good points in terms of financial structures and economical behavior, yet everything else was more or less a personal opinion towards a non OW Direction because YOU don't likw it... Which again, no biggie Bro.

Yet you looking at it way to narrow sighted and 1dimensional.
Which again, is absolutely and not in a slightest way meant offensive my friend 😁

 

[newmedia_dev]

You really don't get what i'm saying do you?!
And that is not meant offensive at all.
But i don't get why you constantly throwing in GTA?

Because that’s the defacto benchmark for ultimate freedom. The other benchmarks fall so far short they aren’t comparable to GT production values and overall quality.

Or why you constantly keep arguing as if YOU know exactly what players or we the consumers actually want to have.

I usually wouldn’t but I’m going to point out the utter irony of you pitching and doubling down on a bad/less than feasible idea with a level of hubris that is not supported by anything other than your beliefs.

At least I can say I have platinum the game, 100% CE and nearly 6000 online daily races and participate with most of the community in other places than here.

I don’t know but 25 years playing the game and mixing with my peers I can make some assumptions based on more than a dream on a beach.

We assume, ok, i get that, but how can you speak for the community as a whole?

I don’t, I was just responding in a similar tone to your speaking for the community, passing your idea which really hasn’t got much traction as something wanted.

Assumptions aside we all don't know what PD is up for or what their upcoming title will or will not feature.
Agree?

Agree so your dream is a completely valid thing so is my response BECAUSE NONE OF US KNOW

Agree?

The opening post was a question of a possible GT8 OW Game.

And the majority response was no, or negative or not bothered because it’s not top of their list.

towards a non OW Direction because YOU don't likw it... Which again, no biggie Bro.

When it gets complicated you like to back up. The only way it works is being better than driveclub, TDU, Horizons etc and the only comparable thing is GTA that ticks boxes for engages players and racing that has ENDURED.

We can compare failed games till the cows come home, but nobody wants to follow them. Even AC EVO isn’t really the market changer and this is from an extremely talented team.

Yet you looking at it way to narrow sighted and 1dimensional.

And your tunnel vision to prove your idea is less 1 dimensional or narrow sighted.

I am not going to respond to further messages, you are on holiday enjoy that and dream, posit as much as you want. Come back refreshed and chilled.

 

[jonoholland29]

I'm honestly expecting PD to realize that We the players, the consumers, the ones who actually made the series become what it is thesedays

I completely disagree with this sentiment. The game has become what is today in-spite of the fans. PD barely acknowledge fans criticism or the popularity of other games.

The game is what it is today purely because of Kazunori Yamauchi.

 

[PirovacBoy]

Because that’s the defacto benchmark for ultimate freedom. The other benchmarks fall so far short they aren’t comparable to GT production values and overall quality.

I usually wouldn’t but I’m going to point out the utter irony of you pitching and doubling down on a bad/less than feasible idea with a level of hubris that is not supported by anything other than your beliefs.

At least I can say I have platinum the game, 100% CE and nearly 6000 online daily races and participate with most of the community in other places than here.

I don’t know but 25 years playing the game and mixing with my peers I can make some assumptions based on more than a dream on a beach.

I don’t, I was just responding in a similar tone to your speaking for the community, passing your idea which really hasn’t got much traction as something wanted.

Agree so your dream is a completely valid thing so is my response BECAUSE NONE OF US KNOW

Agree?

And the majority response was no, or negative or not bothered because it’s not top of their list.

When it gets complicated you like to back up. The only way it works is being better than driveclub, TDU, Horizons etc and the only comparable thing is GTA that ticks boxes for engages players and racing that has ENDURED.

We can compare failed games till the cows come home, but nobody wants to follow them. Even AC EVO isn’t really the market changer and this is from an extremely talented team.

And your tunnel vision to prove your idea is less 1 dimensional or narrow sighted.

I am not going to respond to further messages, you are on holiday enjoy that and dream, posit as much as you want. Come back refreshed and chilled.

Glen, you know, i assume thats your name.
I believe you are a good boy, really.
Hence i can't be bothered arguing.
It wouldn't lead to anything, and the way you respond gives nothing but negative vibes.
Thanks for your ironically comically response.
And like i said i never meant to hurt your feelings... Actually i should have known better as soon as you jumped in,throwing in GTA 🤭 yet i had faith you evolved, compared to our last discussion we had.
Unfortunately you still argue on the same level, fair play.
Wish you the best and stay safe 😁

 

[05XR8]

While there's always a chance they could do an open world game I doubt it. If they do that I would it be a spin off and not a main line game. TBH I wouldn't mind some point to point races added in GT8 though

Probably something for My First Gran Turismo. Not for nothing, but MFGT has Practice Mode. It’s minor, but a Mode that’s been in all Gran Turismo games before GT Sport and GT7. Why it’s not been in GTS and GT7 I do not know.
PD went through the trouble of programming for Custom Races, but the Practice Mode as in GT4 can’t be replicated. We can’t start from pit lane like in a Lobby and Sport Mode.

Another thing is, what do PD see as open world? Maybe PD see it as driving in a designated area rather than across a broad map.
One reason why I say that is due to what we think something should be and how PD implement what they think it is. Such as from this interview:

Gran Turismo Director Kazunori Yamauchi Speaks More About Racing In PSVR 2 In New Interview - GamerBraves

On a trip to PlayStation's Singapore Office, we met and held an interview with Kazunori 'Kaz' Yamauchi, CEO of Polyphony Digital as well as the Director and Producer of the Gran Turismo series who told us more about the future of the series, particularly when it comes to VR technology. Kaz has...

www.gamerbraves.com

So we saw some feedback about GT7 being a little bit too repetitive. Do you plan to add more challenges or new tracks in GT 7 to make the grinding more fun or challenging?​

Yes. And updates for Gran Turismo 7 will still continue for quite some time, I believe. You know, I think one of the reasons why people start feeling that maybe that’s repetitive is that there’s actually too much content in Gran Turismo 7.

Because just to select a single car and a single track, and that’s already an effort right there because you have to go through all these different menus to find those things.

Since you said that you need to go through a lot of selection, do you have any plans to make it simpler or some adjustments on that?​

Yeah like I said Gran Turismo has become too big, making it become too complicated for kids to just pick up and start playing it because there are just too many options, erm so I do think it would be good to provide a simpler Gran Turismo in the future. And the music rally we included in Gran Turismo 7 is sort of an experiment in that direction.

I mean, many of us would think adding more events like Championships would alleviate that repetitiveness. The Weekly Challenges only do that, but briefly.
The Music Rally “is sort of an experiment” to pick up and play is weird. All that would need to be done is Arcade Mode. Unlock all cars and tracks or unlock cars as tracks as players complete races without having to do licence tests.

Again, it comes down to what we think and what PD think in interpreting content.

 

[Nebuc72]

Can't fathom the point of making a post like this if you are going to just militantly disagree with anyone that disagrees with you, no matter the very valid points they made.

Seems like you just wanted a bunch of yes men. Sorry that none of us think your idea is good.

 

[newmedia_dev]

Glen, you know, i assume thats your name.
I believe you are a good boy, really.
Hence i can't be bothered arguing.
It wouldn't lead to anything, and the way you respond gives nothing but negative vibes.
Thanks for your ironically comically response.
And like i said i never meant to hurt your feelings... Actually i should have known better as soon as you jumped in,throwing in GTA 🤭 yet i had faith you evolved, compared to our last discussion we had.
Unfortunately you still argue on the same level, fair play.
Wish you the best and stay safe 😁

😎

You don’t read out side of your little box do you?

It’s Glen (with one N, always have to throw that in there)

My surname is in my sig.

It’s a sign of weakness attacking the person and not the premise my friend.

I questioned the proposition and your last resort is questioning me. Poor form.

 

[tankuroded]

I wish that the open world is utilized for the return of the map menu (not as main/huge focus of the game, just a bonus feature):
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And it'd make good use for the many of pedestrian cars that got added in the game.

Something like Racing Lagoon's overworld, I guess?

 

[05XR8]

I wish that the open world is utilized for the return of the map menu (not as main/huge focus of the game, just a bonus feature):
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And it'd make good use for the many of pedestrian cars that got added in the game.

I’m not wishing, but what could have been. Optional menu maps. Especially making it feel like Detroit, Seoul and Tokyo.

Use the resort menu mainly for Europe.

 

[eran0004]

i wouldn't particularly call Sophy AI state of the art in its current iteration at all.
Its still to be honest just a pre programmed algorithm reacting to pre calculated or in a pre calculated way.
ACC to just name a more recent game does it better.

It's not pre-programmed. In fact its behavior is not programmed at all. It's a neural network trained via machine learning.

I'm sure ACC has a good AI, machine learning isn't automatically better than traditional algorithms. But it's a very different kind of AI and for Gran Turismo it has (in my opinion) lead to a more competitive and fun experience.

 

[Sir Crashalot]

I would absolutely love to have OW driving in a GT game!
But not some small map that gets boring quickly but rather a map at least the size of that in The Crew/The Crew 2, with all kind of landscapes, roads and dozens of huge cities.
Imagine driving for hours around a map like this but with much better graphics, more traffic and GT's physics!
Man, that would indeed be "The real driving simulator"!

Unfortunately the chances of this to ever happen are very close to zero😟

 

[i386]

I like the idea of an open world Gran Turismo

Imagine driving (not racing!) cars on different country roads in France, Portugal, USA, Germany (especially in fall) or mountains (Japan, Scandinavia)
(Ideas partially inspired by memories of Need For Speed Porsche )

My dream scenrio would be driving a gt1 car (why not THE gt-one road car? ) in the provence or alps

 

[24Lemons]

Why in god's name would they do that? Who wants this?

Precisely the reason why they would do it.

They seem to have form for adding frivolous content which nobody seems to ask for while stubbornly neglecting to address the stuff which people are crying out for. Luna rover anyone? How long did it take for them to admit the engine sounds were rubbish?!

Seriously though, I’m not sure how the game would work in an open world structure. A spin off like Horizon, yes.

 

[snc]

I mean, think of how long it seemingly takes PD to make a track these days.

Now, expand that rate of progress over to a full open world, and you'll see why this isn't going to happen (and no, the asset quality isn't going to go down to accommodate the size, this is PD we're talking about).

Environment assets quality is so low that hard to imagine it could go even down ;d

 

[Rockonen]

I would absolutely love to have OW driving in a GT game!
But not some small map that gets boring quickly but rather a map at least the size of that in The Crew/The Crew 2, with all kind of landscapes, roads and dozens of huge cities.
Imagine driving for hours around a map like this but with much better graphics, more traffic and GT's physics!
Man, that would indeed be "The real driving simulator"!

Unfortunately the chances of this to ever happen are very close to zero😟

Yes, all the OW driving games are ruined with silly arcadey physics. It would be very fresh idea, to make it as realistic as possible.

 

[Famine]

It's not pre-programmed. In fact its behavior is not programmed at all. It's a neural network trained via machine learning.

What is it that you understand the GT Sophy within Gran Turismo 7 itself actually does?

 

[eran0004]

What is it that you understand the GT Sophy within Gran Turismo 7 itself actually does?

It's basically using a neural network to process a bunch of sensor inputs into maneuvering outputs.

 

[Famine]

It's basically using a neural network to process a bunch of sensor inputs into maneuvering outputs.

You believe that Sophy, on the PS5 console itself, learns as it drives?

 

[i386]

You believe that Sophy, on the PS5 console itself, learns as it drives?

Kireth be like: Famine from GTPlanet confirms that Sophy from Gran Turismo became a singularity and learned how to drive

 

[eran0004]

You believe that Sophy, on the PS5 console itself, learns as it drives?

No.

 

[Famine]

No.

Okay. Then, absent buzzwords this time, what is it that you understand the GT Sophy within Gran Turismo 7 itself actually does? It may help if you also note what it is that you understand makes it different, within GT7 itself, from the regular "AI".

 

[Tired Tyres]

I hope not. They made their first mistake by adding railying to the game. It has never worked right. Why would anyone expect any better in an open world setting?

 

[hardvibes]

That's GTA. Not GT8.

 

[eran0004]

Okay. Then, absent buzzwords this time, what is it that you understand the GT Sophy within Gran Turismo 7 itself actually does? It may help if you also note what it is that you understand makes it different, within GT7 itself, from the regular "AI".

Sophy's behaviour is determined by a neural network and sensor inputs. The neural network is created through a process of machine learning, the agent has been trained to perform a task.

The behaviour of the traditional AI is determined by written instructions and sensor inputs. The instructions are coded by a programmer, the agent has been programmed to perform a task.

The behaviour of the traditional AI is limited by the programmer's ability to predict and define various states that the agent might find itself in, and also by the complexity of the code itself. The result is a behaviour with few variations, little flexibility and often poor performance (relative to a human agent).

The behaviour of Sophy is limited by the size of the neural network and by the design of the training phase. The result is a behaviour that is less rigid and robotic, more capable of adjusting to various conditions on the track and more competent at racing.

 

[Famine]

a neural network ... the neural network

Can I check what it is that you understand by this as, despite my own reinforcement, this seems to be a term you're relying on extensively.

 

[RaY29rus]

I'm pretty sure Kaz at some point talked about being interested in open world. But it's not happening. The only way it might happen is if it's gonna be Forza situation, where open world game is made by another team, but I would assume Kaz has a say in such matters and he wouldn't agree to that. What might happen is some relatively small open world area within the game, but the possibility is not very high, considering they even took away our photomode locations.

 

[Mafio]

If "open world" means a "menu" I can drive around, I'm all for it. Being able to drive your car from the dealership down a curvy road to GT Auto would be awesome. Especially, if you mix it in with Photo Mode. I wouldn't mind being able to see other players cars was well. So yea, Im all they open to an "open world" map.