Posting Car Settings in the Wiki

[DuckRacer]

Ok, what's the method we should use to do it? I've thought of two.

1. Post the settings with each individual car profile, with the profiles located in the Car List.

2. Post the settings in the designated Settings Page.

What are your thoughts?

 

[Kent]

Um, the settings page of course.

It is named as a GT4 car settings page.

👍

 

[DuckRacer]

I posted this because flat-out was suggesting that we post the settings in the car profile itself, For example, people can go to say, the AC Cobra, and see pics, set-ups, and specifications of it, instead of going to an extra place to get settings.

 

[Sharky.]

Does the settings linky in the car profile link to the same page as the settings in the car settings page? (Argh, bit tongue-tied)

They (the links) could just both link to the same page, and then it wouldn't matter where the actual page of settings is put.

 

[DuckRacer]

Does the settings linky in the car profile link to the same page as the settings in the car settings page? (Argh, bit tongue-tied)

They (the links) could just both link to the same page, and then it wouldn't matter where the actual page of settings is put.

Yes, it links to the same page, at least for my settings. But putting both links in both pages would kinda be a waste of time. I have 184 (probably the most on the entire web), and doing 30 can be very tedious.

 

[Pupik]

I'd rather the setups were on a different page, as the cars are listed as if they belong to every version (GT, GT2,...GT4). Setups vary from version to version, and also opinions on each set up varies on the driver's habits, as well as driving methods (circuit racing, 0-1000, drifting, dirt, snow, top speed, etc.)

The info on each car in the wiki should be based on fact. The particular set up of a car is really a matter of opinion. Therefore, I believe the setup info/suggestions for a car should be on a separate page, using a link to display the setup contents.

Mi dos centavos on the matter...

 

[Kent]

pupik said it well. 👍

But Duck and Flat-Out have excellent points as well.

One thing I am seriously reminded of is the idea of "format."

Is there a format for doing setups?

May I propose we use "Car-Track-Author" in each title, then "parts-settings-philosophy" (if you care to go that far ).

What do you all think?

"Car-Track-Author" seems like a must to me. 👍

 

[xcsti]

"Car-Track-Author" seems like a must to me. 👍

Sounds good except for setups which are more all purpose. Say a drifting setting non track specific.

 

[DuckRacer]

My settings are all around. They usually suck on bumpy courses like the Nurburgring, but excel in the more flatter courses. I think if we go with the car-track-author deal, there should be at least 4 different types of "tracks" (not meaning that they are tracks): Normal, Nurburgring, Rally, and Drifting.

 

[cardude2004]

If you want to do it by author, a good way to do it would be to take your user page, for me User:Cardude and then just create a subpage.

User:Cardude/Ford 500

Then just categorize that page by adding [[Category:Cars]] to the bottom. That way when you go through the list you see the user and the car. The same could be done for tracks.

User:Cardude/Nurburgring

[[Category:Tracks]]

 

[DuckRacer]

That's a decent idea, but really, how many people post a lot of set-ups? That would be nice for someone like me, but I don't really know of anyone on this forum who has made over 20 set-ups. People would have to click on each member's page to see if they have a set-up for their car. For example, there are 10 pages (one page for each member). Someone wants a set-up for a Honda Accord. Duke and I have one. The person who wants that set-up has to click on each page until they find it.

If we had all set-ups on one page, the person would just have to scroll down to "Honda" and see both set-ups. Voila, time and effort saved.

 

[Kent]

Good points all. 👍

A few things to note:

1) Settings should all go into the "settings" page and not personal sub-pages or the car pages (but may go in personal pages) 👍.
This will allow users who are not regularly looking for setups to find settings by going to the settings page.
Very simple that way. 👍

2) "Car-Track-Author"
I really think this is the way to go. 👍
If you post drift settings, post your settings as "Car-"Drift"-Author"

These are the settings that flat-out linked for the WRS this week... https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1958128&postcount=103
Deep Forest is where we were racing.
Each track in the game is different and the settings to fit that track change accordingly.
There is no getting around that.

Using Car-Track-Author will give good info as well as credit to the creator.

Drift vs Grip or "Race" is something to think about... Maybe...? 💡
(just stabbing in the dark here )
Car-Track (drift)-Author 👍

Thanks for considering this idea.

 

[G.T]

Ah, I didn't know this thread was here on the same subject I PM'ed Jordan about.

I think the way we are doing it at the moment, with the settings on a seperate page, is a good idea. I'm just wondering if it is better to directly link people to the settings in Duck's (or anyones) posts or to put the settings onto a completely new page. I just don't want to put them all onto a new page if it's a little pointless.

I think I will still add the links there to get the bigger part of the job out of the way, if that isn't a problem?

 

[Kent]

I think it would be better to leave the "new page" for the car specifically in the hands of people like flat-out who are going in and giving car figures (not settings).

Settings should go into the settings depot in my opinion.

Also, I've just run an idea by duck...
He hasn't responded yet (I just sent the pm).

However,
What do you all think of titles for the settings by going...

Car-Track-"Specifics"

The author is posted by the wiki so there is no need for that in the title.

The "specifics" are up to the contributor of the settings but generally speaking...

Specifics:
Drift
Semi-Racing
N-tires
S-tires
High HP
"tuner name"
Original Suspension
any name desired

Whatever, the contributor is the one who needs to name the setup. 👍

Point is, using "Car-Track-Specifics" will provide the perfect amount.

I strongly suggest this method.
I hope you all agree.

 

[G.T]

Yes, it does seem like a good idea, Kent. I will continue adding the settings as I have been then, and let whoever edit the title if your idea goes ahead. 👍

 

[DuckRacer]

Ah, I didn't know this thread was here on the same subject I PM'ed Jordan about.

I think the way we are doing it at the moment, with the settings on a seperate page, is a good idea. I'm just wondering if it is better to directly link people to the settings in Duck's (or anyones) posts or to put the settings onto a completely new page. I just don't want to put them all onto a new page if it's a little pointless.

I think I will still add the links there to get the bigger part of the job out of the way, if that isn't a problem?

I'm linking to the actual post for these reasons:

1. It's easier.

2. It's faster.

3. There's no vandalism. The only ones who can do that are me, and the Mods. I won't do it, and the mods won't do it.

 

[DuckRacer]

However,
What do you all think of titles for the settings by going...

Car-Track-"Specifics"

The author is posted by the wiki so there is no need for that in the title.

The "specifics" are up to the contributor of the settings but generally speaking...

Specifics:
Drift
Semi-Racing
N-tires
S-tires
High HP
"tuner name"
Original Suspension
any name desired

Whatever, the contributor is the one who needs to name the setup. 👍

Point is, using "Car-Track-Specifics" will provide the perfect amount.

Ok...

Drift 👍
Semi-racing 👎 (What's the point of it?)
N-tires 👍
S-tires 👎 (All set-ups IMO should be S-tire Compatible. Or else N-tire set-ups should work well as S-tire set-ups)
High HP 👎 (This could go under racing)
Original Suspension 👍


And there should be more specifics, such as Rally, Drag, and Nurburgring. A set-up optimized for a flatter track will be jolted and bumped around on the Nurburgring. And there's hundreds of diehard Nurburgring fans, too, so the settings will be of some use to them.

 

[Kent]

Ok...

Drift 👍
Semi-racing 👎 (What's the point of it?)
N-tires 👍
S-tires 👎 (All set-ups IMO should be S-tire Compatible. Or else N-tire set-ups should work well as S-tire set-ups)
High HP 👎 (This could go under racing)
Original Suspension 👍

Well,
The idea of "Car-Track-Specifics" goes beyond those names. 👍 👎

Those were just examples of the various author-created-titles for the "specifics" of a setup.

Which, btw, I think works rather well for all of the categories listed (including "any name desired").

And there should be more specifics, such as Rally, Drag, and Nurburgring. A set-up optimized for a flatter track will be jolted and bumped around on the Nurburgring. And there's hundreds of diehard Nurburgring fans, too, so the settings will be of some use to them.

Specifics like Rally, Drag, and Nurburgring will become self-evident with the "Car-Track-Specifics" approach. 👍

Plus, using the "specifics" will allow us to go beyond what is implied by "track" alone and move into the more specific areas of Drift, "tuner reproduction", part specific builds, and any other "user created details" about the setup.

For example, you ask "what's the point" regarding semi-race suspensions?
Well, I personally really enjoy using the cheaper semi-race setup while still achieving detailed custom settings.

Also, it serves well for any of the "stock" cars that come with a Semi-race or Sports suspension already equipped (which is a valid point considering how many people love to run stuff like the stock Yellow bird on the ring).

Also, the great thing is...

The "specifics" in the Car-Track-Specifics is based on the idea of the creator designating the "specifics" of the setup.

The GTP could limit the categories since there are so many to use.

This could also help users who wish to select a setup but don't personally know the creator or what to expect based on the creator's style.

I really think "Car-Track-Specifics" is the way to go.

Example, ...
My new entry in the settings page. 👍
https://www.gtplanet.net/guides/index.php/Gran_Turismo_4_:_Car_Settings

Honda S2000 Type V| Deep Forest| WRS 39

Listed alfabetically just like the others. 👍

What do you all think?

(btw, I'm still not well versed with the way to do formatting on the Wiki)
(a tutorial might be a good idea for someone to write somewhere down the road).

 

[DuckRacer]

Well,
The idea of "Car-Track-Specifics" goes beyond those names. 👍 👎

Those were just examples of the various author-created-titles for the "specifics" of a setup.

Which, btw, I think works rather well for all of the categories listed (including "any name desired").



Specifics like Rally, Drag, and Nurburgring will become self-evident with the "Car-Track-Specifics" approach. 👍

Plus, using the "specifics" will allow us to go beyond what is implied by "track" alone and move into the more specific areas of Drift, "tuner reproduction", part specific builds, and any other "user created details" about the setup.

Ah, I get it now. 💡

For example, you ask "what's the point" regarding semi-race suspensions?
Well, I personally really enjoy using the cheaper semi-race setup while still achieving detailed custom settings.

Oh, I thought that you meant leisure set-ups. Ok that makes sense now. I didn't know you were talking about semi-racing suspensions.

The "specifics" in the Car-Track-Specifics is based on the idea of the creator designating the "specifics" of the setup.

The GTP could limit the categories since there are so many to use.

This could also help users who wish to select a setup but don't personally know the creator or what to expect based on the creator's style.

I really think "Car-Track-Specifics" is the way to go.

Yep, now I agree with you now.

Example, ...
My new entry in the settings page. 👍
https://www.gtplanet.net/guides/index.php/Gran_Turismo_4_:_Car_Settings

Honda S2000 Type V| Deep Forest| WRS 39

Listed alfabetically just like the others. 👍

👍

What do you all think?

Sounds great to me. 👍

(btw, I'm still not well versed with the way to do formatting on the Wiki)
(a tutorial might be a good idea for someone to write somewhere down the road).

I 100% agree. Heck, I don't even know how to make a new page in the wiki. If someone can tell me, I'd really appreciate it. 👍



Also, as a side-note, HUGE thanks to the person who put the majority of my set-ups in the wiki page. I really appreciate it.

 

[Mike Rotch]

I posted this because flat-out was suggesting that we post the settings in the car profile itself, For example, people can go to say, the AC Cobra, and see pics, set-ups, and specifications of it, instead of going to an extra place to get settings.

My personal preference is this. Car profile page giving details like original spec, history etc, with links at the bottom directing the user to the settings archive of that car. That archive can have settings for all road conditions, tracks and other conditions...

 

[G.T]

Also, as a side-note, HUGE thanks to the person who put the majority of my set-ups in the wiki page. I really appreciate it.

That would be me.

I learnt how to use the Wiki by looking at other peoples work. I just moved on from there really.

A tutorial would be even better, though. 👍

 

[Praetorian]

my bit:

at fist I thought it would be great to have all the info you wanted in the car list about every car, but really how much room does this site have for storing redundant info?

so the car list can have stuff like specs when bought or won new, or when bought used, when the cars are available & from where.

beyond that, users can create links to posts relevant to that car. Thumbnails or links to videos might be nice as well, but for those everyone will be vying to have their pics in the list, so perhaps which thumbnails are accepted for use could be perhaps relegated to the mods... maybe have a car specific photo contest where the winners' pic gets thumbnailed into the main list with credit. Then only mods can actually post the thumbnail

As for video links, some warning as to file size might be nice, as I'm sure someone running off of a 56k modem doesn't want to download a 87mb file that may or may not even be good.

the hard part would be tracking down all the useful threads for each car & linking them all in in such a manner that a viewer can easily discern at a glance whether the links may have what they are looking for without actually having to click all the links.