Power limiter ruined engine building for you guys?

[GTP_Plato]

Don't get me wrong it's a very handy feature for GT to have, has it ruined the enjoyment of constructing your own build though?

Without the power limiter it comes down to who has the best engine build/tune to find those extra tenths, I just think there could of been a better way for cars to have the correct PP/specs for racing, maybe getting rid of the oil change would have been a better option.

What do you guys think? Do you have any ideas of your own that would of been better than the power limiter option?

This option probably hurts the tuners out there because there is no such thing as having your own build with this option PD installed.

This is not a rant in any way as I like the game as it is, but surely there were better options than this feature. Like I said it takes away the fun and enjoyment of building your own car.👍

 

[llNovall]

I think the pp being implimented was the right way to go. Relying solely on power and weight restrictions caused most online rooms to end up with everyone using the same lightest car that could reach the hp cap to be used. It caused little cariations in car selection. Example: 1000kg 400hp= everyone driving an nsx-r with nothing else able to come close. With pp, heavier cars are given more horsepower, and with a good tune and driver could overcome the nsxr. Thats where a good tune can make the difference.

 

[sumbrownkid]

Until PD can figure out a way to realistically replicate air restrictors, the PP system is the way to go.

 

[Tornado]

I admittedly don't play online as much as everyone else here might, but I honestly haven't seen any races where I would consider abuse of the power limiter to be the one determining factor of player placement in online races. Suspension and transmission tuning has much more of an effect in my experience. And I don't think it would be a problem at all if PD allowed the host to set a slider into the options in order to restrict how much the power limiter is in effect.



And in terms of car customization, short of a system like that of Need For Speed Underground II, I think the engine limiter is the best tuning option the GT series could get, because I love fiddling with my car tuning even more than I do driving them. I don't even really care that it works by pancaking the power curve rather than realistically lowering it.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Not sure if you guys are understanding what i'm saying. With the power limiter it takes away all the car building options to fit a certain spec. In other words we are able to chuck every upgrade on the car as we can just limit it down afterwards. If there were to be a better option it would come down to who has the best build/tune as I said before.

With a better option than this it would then open the door for you to find the best possible build and of course staying within the correct PP/specs:tup:

 

[Gejabo]

I agree.

In the seasonal time trials everyone is using the GSX and limit the power to meet the PP.
There is no way you make a chance with a normal 400PP car.

 

[georgetigra]

Don't get me wrong it's a very handy feature for GT to have, has it ruined the enjoyment of constructing your own build though?

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i thing is good to have better tuning system like what type of turbo(garrett or KKK ) or what type pistons (JE PISTONS or WOSSNER)???????????????

 

[GfxJG]

You can't have "your own engine build" in this game. The options are way, way too limited for that. IMO, the only problem with the power limiter is that it goes down too far. It should be minimum 90%, not 50%.

 

[veightpower]

I agree.

In the seasonal time trials everyone is using the GSX and limit the power to meet the PP.
There is no way you make a chance with a normal 400PP car.

Too right, i thought i was doing ok with my fiat 500 getting into the 47's

 

[OK8]

IMO, the only problem with the power limiter is that it goes down too far. It should be minimum 90%, not 50%.

I agree, the power limiter should be smaller. That way people can't just max tune all their cars and then limit 40% of the power away. It's ridiculous.

 

[Tornado]

You can't have "your own engine build" in this game. The options are way, way too limited for that. IMO, the only problem with the power limiter is that it goes down too far. It should be minimum 90%, not 50%.

I agree, the power limiter should be smaller. That way people can't just max tune all their cars and then limit 40% of the power away. It's ridiculous.

The power limiter is fine. There simply needs to be a way to limit the amount it is used online (including Time Trials).

 

[rams1de]

The power limiter is fine. There simply needs to be a way to limit the amount it is used online (including Time Trials).

Limiting it to taking away the power added from Engine Tuning would suffice. Then tuners would have to look at which parts to sacrifice.

 

[crowhop]

I agree with OK8 and GfxJG.
It is lame to max out a car then limit it 45% to get to 550PP, yet have the Torque of a 700PP car.
Limiting the limiter to 90% would be a nice change.
Or introducing a Torque Penalty.
But the complaints would be loud.

 

[GTP_Plato]

Glad I am not the only one that thinks the power limiter is not right. It would be nice to test different builds to see which one works out the best, with the limiter as it is though it takes away the enjoyment of building your own car.

There are a lot of lobbies I see with the description "Same Car" and in a sense you are using the same car and pretty much the same build because of the way this feature has been implemented. I would much rather enter a lobby like this to see who has come up with the best build/tune.

I would love to see this addressed by PD, as at the moment engine upgrades seem pretty pointless, may as well not have these upgrades at all as most people will be running with all mods anyway.

 

[crowhop]

Glad I am not the only one that thinks the power limiter is not right. It would be nice to test different builds to see which one works out the best, with the limiter as it is though it takes away the enjoyment of building your own car.

There are a lot of lobbies I see with the description "Same Car" and in a sense you are using the same car and pretty much the same build because of the way this feature has been implemented. I would much rather enter a lobby like this to see who has come up with the best build/tune.

I would love to see this addressed by PD, as at the moment engine upgrades seem pretty pointless, may as well not have these upgrades at all as most people will be running with all mods anyway.

They may as well add a "max" button into the Tuning Shop. Just buy that and get every mod allowed.
I actually prefer a "Sports Tune" for my street cars. I rarely, if ever, truly max out a car anymore. If I am truly racing, I use an actual race car.
If I am taking a street car to the track, I do my "Sport Tune" and make it multi-purpose.

 

[Tornado]

I agree with OK8 and GfxJG.
It is lame to max out a car then limit it 45% to get to 550PP, yet have the Torque of a 700PP car.
Limiting the limiter to 90% would be a nice change.
Or introducing a Torque Penalty.
But the complaints would be loud.

The complaints would be valid, because there is no reason to implement a hard limit for the thing when they have already implemented it the way it is.

with the limiter as it is though it takes away the enjoyment of building your own car.

I still don't see how you figure this. You've described problems with the online infrastructure and blamed them on the power limiter when the actual problem is lack of room host customization options.

 

[SavageEvil]

One of these threads again? The Power limiter isn't almighty, nor does it magically make some car better than another. You guys are crazy, if the car was already a nimble car it will still be nimble even if you lower the power. Fact is you guys are complaining about cars that are just quick and nimble out doing some run of the mill econobox that was never going to be competitive even if you had a restrictor plate installed on the car. In fact if PD implemented restrictor plates the cars would lose less peak power meaning cars like the NSX and RX-7's will still out run you. Doesn't matter which way you implement a power reducer, the car will still have it's inherent abilities that cannot be changed by reducing power and torque output.

I want PD to add the restrictor plate function to dynamically reduce both hp and torque, this would net me some excellent results, why? Because I can build the car over the limit and then add plates to lower the power and torque curves if it suits my car's gearing better and I bet you will still be in the same boat.

What you people are really wanting is the old limit of not allowing certain cars to enter the races. Just say that, and stop complaining about a system that doesn't magically make any car better than the other, the car was better before the power limiter to begin with. I seem to notice the same cars people are complaining about, Suzuki GSX, NSX R, Lotus Elise/Exige and the LFA...really hasn't changed since the game first came out same cars. I know there are others but they are either some super car MR drivetrain or the GTR. To save you guys from yourselves PD needs to implement class that cannot be changed because you reduce power or handling ability. Each car would have a class designation that sticks with it, so even if it meets the PP it's still going to show what class of car it is, so you will know if it has the upper hand because of it's class. If you want, you can force class on the cars that will keep your car stuck in it's class so you can only tune it the max that car class allow. Keep in mind this will also be a double edged sword and not allow you to tune your car into a higher PP. This is for those who think it's great to tune their car up to spank other cars but someone can't tune theirs down to spank yours...That sounds about right yes?

 

[seanneedscar]

Not sure if you guys are understanding what i'm saying. With the power limiter it takes away all the car building options to fit a certain spec. In other words we are able to chuck every upgrade on the car as we can just limit it down afterwards. If there were to be a better option it would come down to who has the best build/tune as I said before.

With a better option than this it would then open the door for you to find the best possible build and of course staying within the correct PP/specs:tup:

You are 'slightly' wrong here.

Messing with the power limiter really screws up your power band, and torque curve.

I.E, you have NA Tune 3, and High RPM turbo, and then you take the power limiter down to 50%, your power band will now drop off halfway through your RPM range, and you will most likely have less power and torque than if you had, for example, NA tune 1 and mid range turbo.

The BEST thing to do is, build up your car to meet a certain PP, and play with the power limiter as little as possible.

 

[GTP_Plato]

I couldn't care less which cars are better at a certain PP, I don't mind driving anything.

My point was it would be better if we could only use engine upgrades up to the desired spec, not put everything on then limit it down. Having different engine constructions effect all cars differently, there would always be a faster build depending on what engine upgrades you have on your car. You only have to look at that other game (wish I didn't have to use it as an example) to see it is not always down to the tune of the car, it also comes down to what parts you have used to construct the engine.

With the power limiter it lets you bring the car into the PP range of your choice which defeats the object of having a PP system.

 

[llNovall]

You are 'slightly' wrong here.

Messing with the power limiter really screws up your power band, and torque curve.

I.E, you have NA Tune 3, and High RPM turbo, and then you take the power limiter down to 50%, your power band will now drop off halfway through your RPM range, and you will most likely have less power and torque than if you had, for example, NA tune 1 and mid range turbo.

The BEST thing to do is, build up your car to meet a certain PP, and play with the power limiter as little as possible.

This is so far the best comment in this thread....ive seen more cars tuned with minimal power limitation spank cars that have been heavily tuned.

 

[noisiaturismo]

Then take the same car online.

 

[Tornado]

My point was it would be better if we could only use engine upgrades up to the desired spec, not put everything on then limit it down. Having different engine constructions effect all cars differently, there would always be a faster build depending on what engine upgrades you have on your car.

You are acting as if you have to max out a car and limit it down.

 

[crowhop]

To clarify, my comments have nothing to do with racing or even speed and it certainly hasn't ruined anything for me.
I think it is silly to max modify a car only to max limit it.
The logic in doing so seems to be lacking.
And there are cars where doing so creates a torque advantage.
I just doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[SavageEvil]

People are missing the point of the power limiter. The power limiter allows you to fine tune the car to get the best out of it. If you are a tuner then you would have realized this sooner rather than later. There are detriments to limiting too much, and also to how much you over tune the car. Find the correct balance for the car and you should be able to make it work for the PP you are shooting for. It's like you people want someone to hold your hand and explain everything in ridiculous detail, why is it people have no kind of common sense to see that overdoing anything has consequences. It's a bit disconcerting to read threads when simple things that could easily be used to further your enjoyment is turned into the bane of your enjoyment of the game. Come on people, not everything is so bad that you have to cry about it as if there isn't a way to see the silver lining in it. As I said even if we had proper power/torque restrictors, nothing will change as these things are a product of one another dependent on engine build. Will still end up in the same issue you face now, complaints about limiting an overpowered engine would we not?

 

[crowhop]

People are missing the point of the power limiter. The power limiter allows you to fine tune the car to get the best out of it. If you are a tuner then you would have realized this sooner rather than later. There are detriments to limiting too much, and also to how much you over tune the car. Find the correct balance for the car and you should be able to make it work for the PP you are shooting for. It's like you people want someone to hold your hand and explain everything in ridiculous detail, why is it people have no kind of common sense to see that overdoing anything has consequences. It's a bit disconcerting to read threads when simple things that could easily be used to further your enjoyment is turned into the bane of your enjoyment of the game. Come on people, not everything is so bad that you have to cry about it as if there isn't a way to see the silver lining in it. As I said even if we had proper power/torque restrictors, nothing will change as these things are a product of one another dependent on engine build. Will still end up in the same issue you face now, complaints about limiting an overpowered engine would we not?

Teach us all, wise one.

 

[LarryL]

I stopped reading at "could of"

Personally, I don't listent to anything that comes out of the brain of someone who says "could of" or "should of", which are two words that NEVER go together in the english language and makes absolutely no sense unless someone's name is Could and that are OF some town, in place of "could've" or "should've", contrations for could have or should have..........I'm not taking anything that person has to say seriously.

If complete non-sense like "could of" or "should of" makes sense in someone's brain, everything in that someone's brain is non-sense. As soon as I see someone type "should of" or "could of" I am done with whatever ideas that person has to share.

 

[GTP_Plato]

I stopped reading at "could of"

Personally, I don't listent to anything that comes out of the brain of someone who says "could of" or "should of", which are two words that NEVER go together in the english language and makes absolutely no sense unless someone's name is Could and that are OF some town, in place of "could've" or "should've", contrations for could have or should have..........I'm not taking anything that person has to say seriously.

If complete non-sense like "could of" or "should of" makes sense in someone's brain, everything in that someone's brain is non-sense. As soon as I see someone type "should of" or "could of" I am done with whatever ideas that person has to share.

Sorry, I see your grammar is perfect here

 

[crowhop]

Don't worry...I listent to you.

 

[LarryL]

Sorry, I see your grammar is perfect here

I promise you it has nothing to do with grammar, it has to do with common sense. I also wouldn't consider letting Casey Anthony babysit my kid. Would you? That's what I'm saying.

 

[GTP_Plato]

The PP system has been put into the game for a reason, so that cars of a certain class are on more or less an equal playing field. If you are unable to apply a certain part to your car because it breaks PP regulations then you find another part that keeps you in the desired PP limits.

To me the only reason the power limiter was added to the game was because the PP was flawed, so instead of tweaking it to try and get it right they took the easy way out by adding this limiter.

As I said in my first post this is not a rant as I like the game as it is, all I wanted to know was if any of you guys had any ideas of what could be done to change this. As usual though some of the regulars that like to try and cause an argument turn up in here to do just that.