powerful???

[perdrift]

i heard that the b16a engine from a civic eg6/8 is the most powerful 1.6 production engine....now im confused with this and the 4age 20v blacktop ae111 also....anybody has a different opinion?

 

[niky]

It was the Nissan SR16VE N1. 197 hp from a 1.6. Granted, that was a limited run car, but it was still a production road car sold to the general public, but even the "regular" SR16VE made about 175 hp. (Personally, the SR20VE is a better motor. More useable powerband, more useable torque, not as rare as hen's teeth.)

Next closest would be the Type R B16B, which made about 185 hp.

I don't know of any stock naturally aspirated 4AGEs that powerful, unless you count the Formula Atlantic version, which was never available in a street car. The "blacktop" is only around 165 hp. Opinions of the black top vary... some tuners say that the bottom end is kind of weak for a high-revving motor, and I've seen a few of these pop. The Silver Top often costs less secondhand, is less complicated, and makes similar power... got a lot of respect for that motor, because I've raced some wicked quick cars using it. Wicked fast compared to my ass-heavy "175 hp" car... though mine handles better than the old claptrap Corollas you often find these in.

Of course... you get mad cool props for having the Black Top simply because of the individual throttle bodies.

Problem, though, with these high-revving naturally aspirated mills... no low-down torque. Which means a lot of shifting. They're great on the racetrack, but at anything less than 10/10ths, there's a whole lot of bogging going on.

 

[DC-Z]

As sweet a motor as the 4age 20v bt is(i've owned one myself) they never get near the quoted figure - most dyno 150-155 hp in stock healthy trim.
The 6 speed is geared really well so it's well able to keep with similar 1600cc high revving high output motors(civic's, mivec's, pulsar's etc)
They seem more sensitive to not running on 100 RON as opposed to a b16a which will get very very close to stock factory quoted figures on 95 RON available here in Ireland

 

[niky]

Forgot the 1.6 MIVEC... Rather rare here... Most Lancer owners swap in the FTO 2.0 V6... Those who aren't crazy and go straight for the 4G63T (mated to a FWD box) and terminal wheelspin...

Despite what I said about the BT, I'd definitely hit it... The last BT-equipped car I drove was a sweet AE89 with TOM'S four spokes... Pretty... And quick.

 

[daan]

I prefer the 1.6 G3T A L1F3.



Is there anything more geeky than talking in car/engine codes?

 

[niky]

Not as bad as talking in chassis codes... Would help if manufacturers actually gave their engines names instead of numbers.

 

[Keef]

Why bother talking 1.6 when there are smaller engines that make way more power?

 

[JJ72]

ok....time for someone to introduce a Rotary into the debate?

 

[Azure Flare]

Not as bad as talking in chassis codes... Would help if manufacturers actually gave their engines names instead of numbers.

My first engine will be a 3.5L V10 with a flat-crank, I'll name it Ashley.

 

[daan]

Not as bad as talking in chassis codes... Would help if manufacturers actually gave their engines names instead of numbers.

Like Renesis? (which certainly beats 13B-MSP as a name...)

ok....time for someone to introduce a Rotary into the debate?

Ooops.

 

[Joey D]

Are you talking about naturally aspirated motors? The 1.6L turbo motor out of a JCW MINI Cooper S will put out 208hp and 192lb. ft. of torque.

 

[Pupik]

I prefer the 1.6 G3T A L1F3.



Is there anything more geeky than talking in car/engine codes?

Around here, no...Except for the one or two members who actually include a reference. I know, I know...look it up!

That's great and all, but some of us have limited attention span, so before you know it, I've gone from engine codes of a specific manufacturer to finding out what types of fruit trees are indigenous to Angola.

 

[Eunos_Cosmo]

The B16B was more powerful than the B16A. 165bhp vs 185bhp.

1.6L V6's are going to be used in FIA Formula 1 racing starting in 2014...should seem some shocking numbers there.

A 1.5 liter V16 (can you imagine how tiny the pistons were?) was used in the BRM V16 in the mid 1950's. 600bhp. 12,000RPM. 72psi on the blower. Truly insane.

The new Mazda Rotary (should it ever come to fruition) is a normally aspirated 1.6 rumored to produce more than 300bhp, with a far more usable powerband than the outgoing 13b-msp.

 

[JCE]

A 1.5 liter V16 (can you imagine how tiny the pistons were?) was used in the BRM V16 in the mid 1950's. 600bhp. 12,000RPM. 72psi on the blower. Truly insane.

Insane indeed, lets see some numbers.

1,500CC
93.75CC per cylinder
400BHP per liter

Can I stuff this in the Focus?

 

[BrutherSuperior]

My first engine will be a 3.5L V10 with a flat-crank, I'll name it Ashley.

Gee...I wonder why;

 

[Azure Flare]

Gee...I wonder why;

I'll change to 3rd, floor it and say "scream for me Ashley!"

 

[CodeRedR51]

It was the Nissan SR16VE N1. 197 hp from a 1.6. Granted, that was a limited run car, but it was still a production road car sold to the general public, but even the "regular" SR16VE made about 175 hp. (Personally, the SR20VE is a better motor. More useable powerband, more useable torque, not as rare as hen's teeth.)

Awesome motor. Thought about putting one into one of my SE-R's, but alas never came to be.

 

[Bottoz]

Are you talking about naturally aspirated motors? The 1.6L turbo motor out of a JCW MINI Cooper S will put out 208hp and 192lb. ft. of torque.

This.

Low end torque from a 1.6? Yes Please.

 

[niky]

I think the OP was asking about naturally aspirated street mills. But yes, the turbocharged MINI 1.6 is a sweet mill. Nice, linear surge of torque.

Awesome motor. Thought about putting one into one of my SE-R's, but alas never came to be.

Always thought it was a pointless motor. I'm not sure if it was Best Motoring, but one Japanese show pointed out the problem with tuning for nothing but top end... just less power everywhere else...

Every few weeks, someone would come onto the local Nissan boards asking where to get one of these wicked motors. We'd tell them to forget it and go get a 20VE, which, though not common, isn't as rare, and has much more grunt over the rev range. Hell... even after 20VEs started becoming common in the US, some SE-R guru stuck stubbornly to the 20DE... particularly guys like Kojima, who have very powerful 20DEs in their SE-R cup cars.

Nissan Philippines actually had a brand new SR16VE N1 in a crate lying around looking to use it to challenge Honda dominance in the local touring scene... but I think they thought better of it. Having a factory-backed Sentra sedan team whooped by independents using the lighter Civic hatchbacks would have been embarrassing. Whoever got that brand-spanking new crate motor is a lucky man.

I'd still rather have a 20VE, though.

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Renesis doesn't count. It's counted for tax purposes as a 2.6. It certainly drinks like a 2.6.

 

[Eric.]

I think the OP was asking about naturally aspirated street mills. But yes, the turbocharged MINI 1.6 is a sweet mill. Nice, linear surge of torque.



Always thought it was a pointless motor. I'm not sure if it was Best Motoring, but one Japanese show pointed out the problem with tuning for nothing but top end... just less power everywhere else...

Every few weeks, someone would come onto the local Nissan boards asking where to get one of these wicked motors. We'd tell them to forget it and go get a 20VE, which, though not common, isn't as rare, and has much more grunt over the rev range. Hell... even after 20VEs started becoming common in the US, some SE-R guru stuck stubbornly to the 20DE... particularly guys like Kojima, who have very powerful 20DEs in their SE-R cup cars.

Nissan Philippines actually had a brand new SR16VE N1 in a crate lying around looking to use it to challenge Honda dominance in the local touring scene... but I think they thought better of it. Having a factory-backed Sentra sedan team whooped by independents using the lighter Civic hatchbacks would have been embarrassing. Whoever got that brand-spanking new crate motor is a lucky man.

I'd still rather have a 20VE, though.

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Renesis doesn't count. It's counted for tax purposes as a 2.6. It certainly drinks like a 2.6.

Drinks more like a 5.2.

 

[Boz Mon]

I thought the most hp/liter was the F20C from the S2000?

 

[Eric.]

I thought the most hp/liter was the F20C from the S2000?

Which, just so happens to not be a 1.6L production engine like the OP's post is about.

 

[DC-Z]

Here's a blast from the past! Some nice comparison's although a slight bias towards Honda's..

http://asia.vtec.net/side/ek9vzr/index.html
http://asia.vtec.net/side/cyborg/index.html

 

[CodeRedR51]

Always thought it was a pointless motor. I'm not sure if it was Best Motoring, but one Japanese show pointed out the problem with tuning for nothing but top end... just less power everywhere else...

Every few weeks, someone would come onto the local Nissan boards asking where to get one of these wicked motors. We'd tell them to forget it and go get a 20VE, which, though not common, isn't as rare, and has much more grunt over the rev range. Hell... even after 20VEs started becoming common in the US, some SE-R guru stuck stubbornly to the 20DE... particularly guys like Kojima, who have very powerful 20DEs in their SE-R cup cars.

Nissan Philippines actually had a brand new SR16VE N1 in a crate lying around looking to use it to challenge Honda dominance in the local touring scene... but I think they thought better of it. Having a factory-backed Sentra sedan team whooped by independents using the lighter Civic hatchbacks would have been embarrassing. Whoever got that brand-spanking new crate motor is a lucky man.

SR16VE N1 <3

Yeah, super rare and not really worth it to most, but would have certainly been worth it to me.

 

[niky]

[Nerd]Damn do I miss my B13.[/Nerd]

Here's a blast from the past! Some nice comparison's although a slight bias towards Honda's..

http://asia.vtec.net/side/ek9vzr/index.html
http://asia.vtec.net/side/cyborg/index.html

Seems like pretty unbiased reporting to me... I've read both articles before, and I used to read TOV-Asia when they updated regularly. The guy is pretty objective in his reporting, strangely, given that he only reports on Hondas.