PP oddities.

[JTpwnface]

what's the difference between tyre grip and mechanical grip? and how does the tyre grip change by taking out the supercharger?

 

[moparisgod]

Solved.

I use the Clueless tunes Buick tune. The grip is great and power band is spot on. You remove the supercharger or add weight the pp level goes up and performance goes down. How is that solved?

 

[Tornado]

I use the Clueless tunes Buick tune. The grip is great and power band is spot on. You remove the supercharger or add weight the pp level goes up and performance goes down. How is that solved?

Because, once again, PP does not and can not take suspension settings into consideration.

 

[moparisgod]

Because, once again, PP does not and can not take suspension settings into consideration.

I know that. I just don't get how adding weight and removing power can raise you PERFORMANCE points but lower the performance of the car.

Anyway I'm sure I'm getting off topic. Sorry about that. I'll leave now

 

[Tornado]

Because the PP operates based on stock suspension settings, under the assumption that if you add too much power the car will actually be slower because it will have much more problems putting the power down. It also does it for the Aston V8 Vantage, the TVR Speed 12, the Chaparral 2J (of all the cars ) and even the X1 (and there are more. Several FF cars have the same problem when you add massive power to them).


The problem is, with suspension/LSD tuning you can mitigate the traction loss the PP system tries to take into account, and thus you end up gaming the PP system.

 

[Custer85]

I got the impression that the pp system favours 4 cylinder cars with a weight from 1000-1150kg in the lower performence levels up to 550pp. NSX, S2000 and RUF Yellow Bird seem to be two of the rare exceptions. I might be wrong with this one, but thats the impression i got from racing online. The Spoon Integra DC2 is one of the best cars to compete in 450-500pp races.

But i still love to drive my 500pp E55 AMG online, its not competitive arround the corners, but on the straights most cars cant keep up with it, even with slipstreaming. At least they get to hear the awesome roar of the engine while driving behind me

 

[NjLowrider]

Its all a conspiracy

 

[SavageEvil]

I think that PP gives you a base guide in basically simple performance stats. PD probably has a program that takes given car values(power and torque, weight and weight balance and downforce and drag coefficient) and simulates sprints, slalom and lateral G then gives you number value for that car as it's rating. This is why I think the majority of cars fit the category of being in the ballpark of performance which is fine, but it's very clinical and doesn't take into account the driver nor the vehicles inherent abilities.

Notice that the NSX for it's power and weight is deceptively fast when stock, especially in a straight line but the key to this car lies in it's relatively easy handling. NSX is incredibly balanced and it's output through it's rear wheels is just spot on, notice the RX7 is the same as well, it's FR but has very neutral handling and is very fast in a straight line. Not everyone can drive these cars and win easily, it still comes down to the one controlling the car.

 

[Energizerrr]

Another clear example of this is Ruf Yellowbird, which has more PP than Nissan GT-R.

 

[Rudenut]

I think that PP gives you a base guide in basically simple performance stats. PD probably has a program that takes given car values(power and torque, weight and weight balance and downforce and drag coefficient) and simulates sprints, slalom and lateral G then gives you number value for that car as it's rating. This is why I think the majority of cars fit the category of being in the ballpark of performance which is fine, but it's very clinical and doesn't take into account the driver nor the vehicles inherent abilities.

Notice that the NSX for it's power and weight is deceptively fast when stock, especially in a straight line but the key to this car lies in it's relatively easy handling. NSX is incredibly balanced and it's output through it's rear wheels is just spot on, notice the RX7 is the same as well, it's FR but has very neutral handling and is very fast in a straight line. Not everyone can drive these cars and win easily, it still comes down to the one controlling the car.

The nsx is easy to drive well....it's epic handling should be reflected in pp...and all mr cars should be weighted more for that characteristic.

 

[SavageEvil]

The nsx is easy to drive well....it's epic handling should be reflected in pp...and all mr cars should be weighted more for that characteristic.

So because a car is easy to drive and in nimble, it should be penalized? So what about the RX7? Should that be penalized as well for being easy to drive? Perhaps the GTR too, that car is the easiest to drive fast and it's more stable than a tank. You can't reflect subjective handling in PP, one guy might be ace in the NSX and another might not. Base handling for every car in reflected in it's PP, the range of ability is not.