Practicing Feint Drifting

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I watched the Tandem Xlink Drifting video, the feint drifting they did was very cool. I tried a little bit on my current drift cars. (S14, Miata) Maybe it's the settings or I'm doing something wrong, I always crash. Now tell me if my procedure is correct.

For a 180 right turn, you do:
1.Brake+turn left
2.as you feel the rear slide (to the right), countersteer and pump the brakes (manual ABS)
3.the rear start to slide to left, couter-countersteer (to the left), then press gas
4.the car should drift into the right, and use handbrake as needed to keep the car sideways.

But I always failed at step 2, where the car just crash into the wall. I couldn't get the rear to sway the other way. Why? Am I doing something wrong? Thanks.
 
First of all, don't handbrake while your on the gas.
USE the gas to keep the car sideways and from going backwards (hairpin).

First of all don't use brakes to initialize, just use it to slow you down for you to make the curve.
It's sort of hard to explain what I do because it's all instinct really.

1. BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, Make sure your at the right speed to make the turn by braking.
2. Pitch the car (left *lift while you do it*)
3. Go the other way so the pendlum will make the angle (Be sure to regulate the gas and counter-steer)
4. Maintain it.
 
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First of all, don't handbrake while your on the gas.
USE the gas to keep the car sideways and from going backwards (hairpin).

First of all don't use brakes to initialize, just use it to slow you down for you to make the curve.
It's sort of hard to explain what I do because it's all instinct really.

1. BEFORE YOU DO ANYTHING, Make sure your at the right speed to make the turn by braking.
2. Pitch the car (left *lift while you do it*)
3. Go the other way so the pendlum will make the angle (Be sure to regulate the gas and counter-steer)
4. Maintain it.
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yeah, that's more like it. Oh, and I wouldn't try feinting on a 180 degree turn first. Try a few softer corners first. Trial Mountain and Deep Forest are good for this.
 
yeah, 180's are toughest of them all IMO. hard to keep your speed up through it, but its possible if you know the right line, and can take it, and alotta pratice.
and i almost never use the handbrake when you see me nail a corner.

you said you couldnt get the rear to go the other way.
maybe you steer too much to the right, maybe you dont steer back enough to whip the back end around. if you watch the front wheels youll see them steer farther then while in the drift to whip it back around.
once you get used to doing it, itll come naturally.
 
You need to give us a bit more info on what is going wrong... The proper technique for "feint" is as follows:

For a left hand turn... Turn towards the right (lifting off the throttle at this point, can help, but is not necessary). Then turn the car to the left, and remember to get back on the gas slowly, so you don't take the momentum of the flick too far...

You can use a feint/braking entry, by using the brakes after the initial turn in, or after the flick... You can use a lift off technique subsituting the braking for lift off, in the last explanation... You can use the e-brake to initiate the turn in, or many other combinations... It all depends on your style, settings, and what you think looks cool...





;)
 
Here, I'll make this simple, WIGGLE THE CAR INTO THE TURN. The technique looks and feels different for every turn. (due to camber changes, asphault grip, car balance, tire type, etc.)
 
Delphic Reason
It all depends on your style, settings, and what you think looks cool...
;)
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Everyone please remember this line. this is what drifting is about. Expression, style and fun.
 
Thanks for the help. I will try the Trial Mtn first. But it seems like I set up my brakes wrong. I set them to be front bias (12/3) so that the weight will shift to the front more under braking. So maybe I should set it to rear bias? (3/12) I use handbrake because I see the pro drifters do it all the time. The usually pull handbrake a few times mid corner.
 
nos2
Thanks for the help. I will try the Trial Mtn first. But it seems like I set up my brakes wrong. I set them to be front bias (12/3) so that the weight will shift to the front more under braking. So maybe I should set it to rear bias? (3/12) I use handbrake because I see the pro drifters do it all the time. The usually pull handbrake a few times mid corner.
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My God YES! I usually go with a 6/12 myself. But you want to go either even or rear bias. This helps to upset the rear grip easier.
 
SURGICAL Throttle control. Remember that. Be absolutely SURGICAL with the throttle, and keep your rpm's from going down too low.

And yes, handbrakes are fun.
 
yeah i got a big one. SEARCH. there are 2 threads on this same page with df/p tips. read them as it has been discussed way too many times.
 
I'd probably agree if you're having trouble moving the weight to the opposing side when you're feinting, that you're just not steering enough, or just too late. A good way to practice moving the right amount of weight to gauge doing feints into turns/linking S-curves…is to use the G-meter. When you reach the point where you're car is "in-between" drifts, your front wheels should be at 0 degrees of steering, and you can judge how much weight you've moved at that point in limbo with the G-meter. Your steering work dictates your weight movement and vice versa. The more weight you move in your initial feint, the less work you’ll have to do to move that weight back to the opposite side, but the force of the weight shift to the opposing side increases depending on your steering. The braking between movements is to move the load of weight to the front, and to control lateral weight movement. Newton's 1st Law, interia, friction, it's like HS physics in a car...

Feint 180 Video (Miata)

It's more just practicing and getting used to getting a "feel" for your cars and the track. You'll just know how fast you can take certain corners. How to judge your weight movement by your speed and angle, and how to shift that weight back to the opposing side in a controlable manner using steering and braking...
 
Thanks for the help Droptop Chick. I kinda knows when to give it gas or when to brake now. I'll proactice some more on my Miata see if I can get it right.
 
for a 180 you feint hard turn in then turn the same way once right before or when you are completely backwards. at this point if you need to get the car has too much momentum, you can brake right before you straighten out again. when the angle is to your suiting, countersteer like regular and gas it through. oops, wrong 180...
 
All you need to remember really is, in the 180 turn, the gas pedal is just there to keep you from going to the outer part of the corner (outside) so, you need to put the momentum of the car in the right direction. There is a point in a 180 corner, that you use your power to COMPLETELY change the direction of the cars momentum, which really should be the apex of the curve.
 
I think....if you leave the issue that 180 degree is not a good way to start, you probably are too late with initiating your countersteer. Once you feel it slide, and THEN go countersteer, it can be pretty much too late. Try to countersteer with your increase of angle, it increases in steps so you need to countersteer in steps too. If this isn't the problem then: \/ see below \/

Maybe the brakes are a bit unstable for beginners, since they can make the car understeer sometimes, but sometimes can also give you too much angle in one split second of hitting the brakes. Braking is only needed when going too fast to a corner. No brakes when your in a drift. You can get there pretty much by gas alone, handbrake is something thats really not necesary.
Then hit the apex and blablabla as lllboy told up here^^.

TIMING, SPEED, ANGLE, COUNTERSTEER are the magic words for drifting, get them right, you can always improve them.

Edit: But ehg.....since all these drifters at GTPlanet do a m magnificient job at teaching you guys how to drift, I think you already succeeded by now

;)
 
I been practicing for ages to feint drift and i'm confident i can do it to a certain degree. But what i found is when feint drifting the hand brake doesn't help. But everyones got their own style. It just takes loads of practice but firstly make sure you get the car set up right.
I found tankspanker's post most helpful to get the right technique. Thanks tankspanker
 

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