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Now I could be wrong here but if my memory serves me correctly this Group C car was normally asperated IE no turbo. I have just been tuning and setting up my DLC version and it comes as stock with a stage 1 turbo !!
Why do you think PD did this ?
 
I honestly couldn't tell you why they would make that decision, but with PD, anything goes lol. Maybe the inspiration came from the later models XJR-10 and 11 that ran a turbocharged 3.0/3.5L V6.
 
basically all racing cars come with Stage 1 turbo. The tuning isn't exactly accurate. Why are people still moaning about it, they never claimed to be true. Plus you can put a turbo on a non turbo car even in real life. Just watch for the engine blowing up :P
 
Mark
Now I could be wrong here but if my memory serves me correctly this Group C car was normally asperated IE no turbo. I have just been tuning and setting up my DLC version and it comes as stock with a stage 1 turbo !!
Why do you think PD did this ?
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The XJR-9 should have a normally aspirated 7 litre V12. Are you absolutely positive you didn't accidentally add a turbo?

ipswich1992
basically all racing cars come with Stage 1 turbo.
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Errr, no, they don't.
 
daan
The XJR-9 should have a normally aspirated 7 litre V12. Are you absolutely positive you didn't accidentally add a turbo?


Errr, no, they don't.
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The premium XJR-9 does come from the dealership with a stage 1 turbo in the game. I do not know why PD did this.

A lot of the race cars do come stock with a stage 1 turbo. The Honda NSX GT500 class cars are an example.
 
The XJ9-R doesnt come with a turbo stock but you can add stage 2 or 3 to it
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And to prove that the first one is for un-turbo it, I have take a picture of the RM Challenger, which you can not put turbo on it.
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playnthru
I don't know..But PD has always shown (2) turbos, hanging off the back.
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That's the Toyota 7 that has that
 
daan
The XJR-9 should have a normally aspirated 7 litre V12. Are you absolutely positive you didn't accidentally add a turbo?


Errr, no, they don't.
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Daan, You got me thinking i may be wrong here so I did a backup went to the NCD bought another Premium and checked. In my garage it shows 887bhp, more than real life. I went to the tuning section and in the turbo section you can add stage 2 and stage 3 turbo's, Stage 1 turbo is already fitted as new and cannot be bought. see photo showing exclamation on stage turbo, that does dictate fitted and cannot buy. If you could by one or have bought one it would show a tick at the side.

Not a great photo but you can see what im saying.

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Mark
Stage 1 turbo is already fitted as new and cannot be bought. see photo showing exclamation on stage turbo, that does dictate fitted and cannot buy.
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Just because the turbo is exclamated out from buying does not mean it is fitted. Tons of other cars have the same form of way being naturally aspirated to start but being able to be fitted with 2 forms of turbo.
 
C-ZETA
Just because the turbo is exclamated out from buying does not mean it is fitted. Tons of other cars have the same form of way being naturally aspirated to start but being able to be fitted with 2 forms of turbo.
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Ah you could well be correct there, But then that begs the question why is the 887 bhp before oil change and running in so much higher than real life. I again may be wrong but I understood most cars are pretty much as real life stock IE before we upgrade them.
 
Man, this is a sweet car as I guess its nice to have it premium.... I mean I have mixed emotions. I love that they made it premium, but I'm not a big fan of having to pay to make standard cars premium. I mean I'm paying to get things already in the game improved on? Can't say I love that. I was loving the DLC deal at first, but now that they keep putting them out and even sell a copy of the game that gets the DLC stuff for free while I keep having to pay full price when I bought the game when it came out. I mean in not to long I will have payed as much for DLCs as I have for the game. I don't really like how that works, I wish there were more free DLC stuff. Heck I'd be fine if they let us choose 1 item from a DLC everytime they release a DLC.
 
Mark
Ah you could well be correct there, But then that begs the question why is the 887 bhp before oil change and running in so much higher than real life. I again may be wrong but I understood most cars are pretty much as real life stock IE before we upgrade them.
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Because the only LMP/Group C car that is even remotely close to being accurate to real life is the Audi R10, which incidentally is why it is so much slower than everything else.
 
Don't quote me on this but from a past source (sorry, can't recall) the reason why some race cars have a significantly higher output than their real life counterparts is that the game version is the engines true measure where as the real version has been restricted to stay within the regulations. I think to be fair most race engines are restricted in one way or another to comply.
 
XPOWER180
Don't quote me on this but from a past source (sorry, can't recall) the reason why some race cars have a significantly higher output than their real life counterparts is that the game version is the engines true measure where as the real version has been restricted to stay within the regulations. I think to be fair most race engines are restricted in one way or another to comply.
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That would only apply to the turbocharged Group C cars (and the 787B, which was rev-limited). Not the LMP 900/LMGTP cars, and not the naturally aspirated Group C cars (like the Jaguar and Peugeot 905).


For example, the Pescarolo C60 Hybride according to GT5 possesses a normally aspirated 5.0L V8 engine capable of 136 lb.ft. per liter (and the C60 Judd GV5 doesn't come off much better).
 
Toronado
That would only apply to the turbocharged Group C cars (and the 787B, which was rev-limited). Not the LMP 900/LMGTP cars, and not the naturally aspirated Group C cars (like the Jaguar and Peugeot 905).


For example, the Pescarolo C60 Hybride according to GT5 possesses a normally aspirated 5.0L V8 engine capable of 136 lb.ft. per liter (and the C60 Judd GV5 doesn't come off much better).
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Why would it only apply to turbo'd group C cars? BTCC cars have always run some form of restriction and for most of their campaigning years they've never been turbo charged. F1's run restrictors, virtualy all race engines do - race cars can't just run whatever BHP the engine delivers out of the box and most are so well engineered that they will always chuck out more than is required. When i worked for the MG works team restrictors were always used.
 
XPOWER180
Why would it only apply to turbo'd group C cars?
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Because the LM cars in GT5 are overpowered generally by several hundred horsepower and similar amounts of torque, and turbocharged Group C cars were the only ones in real life that were restricted by that much in race tune. It would be physically impossible for the naturally aspirated cars (XJR-9, CLK-LM, 905, Pescarolo Judd, Pescarolo Hybride, Panoz Esperante) to produce as much power/torque as the ones in the game, and the LMGTP/LMP 900 turbo engines weren't that overbuilt that they had lop 200-300 HP off of them with restrictors to make them raceable.
 
Well in real life the XJR9 ran approx 750bhp and 600lb-ft. I don't see why reducing the power by approx 130bhp wouldn't be possible with air restrictors and different cam shafts. I know there's obviously a lot more to it than just that but it seems achievable to me. Easier to reduce than add!
 
Mark - Just because you can't fit one doesn't mean it's got one. Go and drive it and you'll see there is no turbo boost indicator guage. And, as Toronado noted, most of the Group C and LMPs have more power than they should have.
 
XPOWER180
Well in real life the XJR9 ran approx 750bhp and 600lb-ft. I don't see why reducing the power by approx 130bhp wouldn't be possible with air restrictors and different cam shafts.
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Taking whatever restrictors that engine might have had on it wouldn't give it the extra 100 lb-ft of torque that it has in the game, nor would the engine have the torque curve that the one in the game has.
 
Yeah that i'd agree with, a higher torque figure is always harder to achieve when the figures are already massive. I think we'll just have to put it down to a cross between part fact and part artistic licence of the gaming world!
 
To go back on topic, if you go to the settings menu for any car that is able to have a turbo system installed, and you have one installed, the option to return to the factory setting (i.e., no turbo) is listed as "Stock Turbo," or whatever. I don't know why, it just says that when it could say "None."
 
Thanks guys this has pretty much cleared up my miscalculations. Although I was right about it being non turbo'd IRL.
 
The exclamation point means the part isn't available for that vehicle. A checkmark means it's owned/ fitted.
 
I always attributed the horsepower discrepancies to the engines being in qualifying trim and most available documentation listed is race trim.
 
daan
Mark - Just because you can't fit one doesn't mean it's got one. Go and drive it and you'll see there is no turbo boost indicator guage. And, as Toronado noted, most of the Group C and LMPs have more power than they should have.
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This. If it has a turbo, there is a boost gauge.
 
I'd agree with the cars in GT5 being in unrestricted, mfg claimed all out form. I remember reading that the 787b produced over 800 hp in testing though race hp was much lower.

Also more recently cars like the Oreca Vipers unrestricted made more than 800 hp unrestricted, according to info I read years ago but were around 600-650hp in race if memory serves. Not sure about the other marques in game or RL but it doesn't bother me one bit the power discrepancy between ingame an RL. That's what the power limiter is for.
 
Snakebitten
I'd agree with the cars in GT5 being in unrestricted, mfg claimed all out form. I remember reading that the 787b produced over 800 hp in testing though race hp was much lower.
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Which would be fine if there hadn't been nearly a page discussing why the numbers for most of them were purely imaginary rather than theoretical ones achievable in real life.
 

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