Prius "Solution"

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That said, hybrids are still cheaper than plug-ins and even cheaper still than full EVs.

It's true, but I guess my point would be if people really want to help the environment and/or project an image as such, they should be willing to cough up the extra dough to do so.

Not to big up the Yaris Hybrid too much, but it's also one of very few hybrids that's the same price (or in some cases, cheaper) than its diesel rivals.

It seems that you like the Yaris Hybrid. 💡 :p Actually though, you have me intrigued. It seems to me that if it doesn't have any smarmy eco/hybrid/green badges on it, then I would like it.
 
And what about the people who buy them for the looks of the car? Do they even exist?
 
And what about the people who buy them for the looks of the car? Do they even exist?

How can someone possibly like this?


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The whole thing is just :yuck:
 
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@homeforsummer.

A friend who I'll call bob test drove a Prius around Carlisle. 43mpg, impressive. But, Toyota yaris hybrid got nearly as much and is cheaper.

If "Bob" only got around 43mpg in either car he can't be up to much. I managed 76mpg in city driving in the Yaris Hybrid, and my co-driver on the launch, after absolutely thrashing it, didn't get below 50mpg.

And exactly. People bang on about the prius' reliability but the gt86 will be just as indestructible.

Perhaps, though that's sort of irrelevant since its a completely different car for a completely different sort of customer. My point is that the Prius - or indeed any Toyota hybrid - appeals to customers as its very reliable. That's not necessarily something that can be said for some of its rivals.

Slashfan
How can someone possibly like this?

The whole thing is just :yuck:

Erm... Personal taste, perhaps?

I'm not a big fan of that shape (the car that came after looks much better, and more modern - I'm not sure whether you knew it existed but if you didn't, it suggests you're about 5 years behind with your hybrid knowledge...) but then most compact cars are pretty bland anyway, so it's good to see something different.

There's also the function over form argument too. It's that shape because it's an aerodynamic shape.
 
If "Bob" only got around 43mpg in either car he can't be up to much. I managed 76mpg in city driving in the Yaris Hybrid, and my co-driver on the launch, after absolutely thrashing it, didn't get below 50mpg.



Perhaps, though that's sort of irrelevant since its a completely different car for a completely different sort of customer. My point is that the Prius - or indeed any Toyota hybrid - appeals to customers as its very reliable. That's not necessarily something that can be said for some of its rivals.



Erm... Personal taste, perhaps?

I'm not a big fan of that shape (the car that came after looks much better, and more modern - I'm not sure whether you knew it existed but if you didn't, it suggests you're about 5 years behind with your hybrid knowledge...) but then most compact cars are pretty bland anyway, so it's good to see something different.

There's also the function over form argument too. It's that shape because it's an aerodynamic shape.

I'm aware of why it looks the way it does (random image from Google btw). I just hate the way it looks. Most people I know dislike the way it looks as well, however like you said it all comes down to personal taste. You wouldn't catch me driving one though.
 
I don't like the car as it looks (think the model before and after are much better), but you could do an awful lot worse for style while it was on sale without even leaving the Toyota dealership.
 
homeforsummer
If "Bob" only got around 43mpg in either car he can't be up to much. I managed 76mpg in city driving in the Yaris Hybrid, and my co-driver on the launch, after absolutely thrashing it, didn't get below 50mpg.

Perhaps, though that's sort of irrelevant since its a completely different car for a completely different sort of customer. My point is that the Prius - or indeed any Toyota hybrid - appeals to customers as its very reliable. That's not necessarily something that can be said for some of its rivals.

Bob drove it like he would a 11k hatchback, my point is its not an economical car unless you drive it sensibly, anyway soon well have the jaguar cx-75 which has less emissions but, is a supercar. Then there's cars like the Mia. It's 22k, 0-emissions and Renault. They're releasing a lot of electric only cars for the ACTUAL environmentally alert.

You said the Prius is reliable BUT YOU ALSO SAID OTHER TOYOTAS ARE HARDLY PRONE TO BRAKING DOWN. Then again Kia Picantos are hardly unreliable, nowadays the only unreliable cars are made by small supercar companies such as Noble. The Prius is double the price for no real world gain.

I have a Prius "solution". Driving it off a cliff and then buying a normal diesel hatchback.
 
Bob drove it like he would a 11k hatchback, my point is its not an economical car unless you drive it sensibly

Which I've already said isn't the case. My co-driver on the Yaris Hybrid launch deliberately drove it as hard as he could, did his best to keep the thing from going into electric mode (i.e, using actual fuel rather than electricity as much as possible), accelerated hard, braked at the last minute using friction brakes rather than regenerative braking, and still struggled to get less than 50mpg. When we actually arrived back at the meeting point his overall figure was 55mpg. If you absolutely thrashed it all day long on the motorway you'd probably get into the 40s, but I can't think of any petrol or diesel rival that wouldn't.

Driven normally (not even "sensibly") I'd not be surprised to see figures in the 60s. Driven specifically with economy in mind (yet still not enough to hold up other cars), figures in the 70s are there for the taking.

I'm sure a Prius - being heavier and having a larger engine - would be a little worse, but there's absolutely no way that if "Bob" drove a Yaris hybrid (and since they've literally only just gone on sale, I'm surprised he's driven one at all) he got "nearly as much" as 43mpg.

I'm calling BS on that one, I'm afraid.

anyway soon well have the jaguar cx-75 which has less emissions but, is a supercar.

Only Jaguar still hasn't confirmed they're building it. Nor exactly what it'll be powered by, since the jet powered concept was rather loud and impractical.

Then there's cars like the Mia. It's 22k, 0-emissions and Renault. They're releasing a lot of electric only cars for the ACTUAL environmentally alert.

I've not driven the Mia, but £22k is a lot of money when for another £3k you can buy something that doesn't look like a side-turned wheelie bin. It's called the Nissan Leaf, and it's the only proper family electric car on sale for a decent price.

And I'm a big fan of the Renault Twizy, but since when has a £6k two-seat, open-sided 50mph quadricycle been a rival for a £20k five-seat, fully-specified family hatchback?

You said the Prius is reliable BUT YOU ALSO SAID OTHER TOYOTAS ARE HARDLY PRONE TO BRAKING DOWN.

Please, use your indoor voice.

Yes, all Toyotas are pretty reliable. But the Prius has fewer warranty claims than any other Toyota. It is more reliable - as are all Toyota and Lexus hybrids.

To whichever degree you measure reliability, for customers the prospect of a more reliable car is still one that sells them the car. Whether you like it or not - and you don't, because you don't want to - the fact the Prius is proving very reliable is a selling point for the car.

Then again Kia Picantos are hardly unreliable, nowadays the only unreliable cars are made by small supercar companies such as Noble. The Prius is double the price for no real world gain.

You don't seem to have much of a clue about the car market.

Once again, as with Twizy vs. Prius - who exactly is comparing a £10k supermini with a £20k family hybrid? Who goes out into the market with the aim of buying a Prius, but then thinks, "no, instead I'll buy the smaller, slower, less well equipped, less efficient car instead, because it's half the price!".

Nobody, that's who.

You're clutching at straws. Really, really stupid straws.

I have a Prius "solution". Driving it off a cliff and then buying a normal diesel hatchback.

Ah, diesel hatchbacks. With all the benefits of a car almost as economical as a Prius but with the inevitable expensive diesel particulate filter, turbocharger, and dual-mass flywheel issues a few years down the line.

And, if anything, a worse illusion from their owners that they're being "green", because the government tells them that CO2 is the be-all and end-all of pollution, and neglects to mention oxides of nitrogen (harmful to humans) and particulate matter (gives little kids asthma).

Here's a thought: Instead of inane rantings based on prejudice and outdated information, why not just say you don't like the Prius because of the way it looks, like everyone else has done?

It's true, but I guess my point would be if people really want to help the environment and/or project an image as such, they should be willing to cough up the extra dough to do so.

There's an element of that, though that presumes that everyone is buying it for the image. I've driven several electric cars and hybrids now, and my main motivation for buying one would be the technology - it just happens to work really well (limitations - like range - aside), and it makes for pleasant cars to knock about in (even if few of them are good for Sunday drives just yet).

As a kid you grow up watching movies about what the future will look like, and I quite like that people are finally starting to make cars that seem futuristic. Far from it being depressing, I think it's damn cool that people are finally offering vehicles that don't rely on essentially steam-age technology like reciprocating pistons, or valves.
 
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Not a Prius fan, though I'd happily consider the new Fusion Hybrid, C-Max Hybrid and Jetta Hybrid.
 
There's an element of that, though that presumes that everyone is buying it for the image.

True. Those are the people associated with the Prius I dislike most, so I was making a point about them. Those who buy it for how reliable, efficient, etc. it is I don't have a problem with (although I still maintain that some of those people overlook other green cars and go straight to the Prius, which I don't necessarily agree with. If you've given all the green cars available that fit your criteria serious thought and end up choosing a Prius, more power to you. It's just that I feel that many people don't.).

I've driven several electric cars and hybrids now, and my main motivation for buying one would be the technology - it just happens to work really well (limitations - like range - aside), and it makes for pleasant cars to knock about in (even if few of them are good for Sunday drives just yet).

Oh, definitely. The technology in a hybrid today is fascinating.

As a kid you grow up watching movies about what the future will look like, and I quite like that people are finally starting to make cars that seem futuristic. Far from it being depressing, I think it's damn cool that people are finally offering vehicles that don't rely on essentially steam-age technology like reciprocating pistons, or valves.

That being said, hybrids still remain normal old-fashioned internal combustion vehicles with some help - nothing more than a stopgap until we build cars that are completely unreliant on fossil fuels to operate. The electric car is coming into its own, but that has its limitations as well. To me, cars like the Honda FCX Clarity which work exactly like a normal car but run on hydrogen fuel cells are the real "solution". But delve any further and I would be leaving the scope of this thread.
 
That being said, hybrids still remain normal old-fashioned internal combustion vehicles with some help - nothing more than a stopgap until we build cars that are completely unreliant on fossil fuels to operate.

Agreed. Though some of the more overtly "hybrid" hybrids (by which I mean those which are very obviously and proudly hybrids, rather than the Lexus approach of the cars being luxury first, hybrid second) do at least make an effort with the whole "high tech" thing.

The interior of the Prius, for example, is a really good effort IMO. You know that there's more under the hood than just another regular petrol engine because the interior is all swoopy and high-tech. The Honda CR-Z also works well - lots of futuristic glowing instruments and light colours - rather than dark, dingy plastics. So ones like that still score highly on the "car of the future" thing for me.

Also, and equally subjectively, the fact that most hybrids use continuously-variable transmissions and are near-silent (provided you're not thrashing them) also adds to the futuristic feel of them.

The electric car is coming into its own, but that has its limitations as well. To me, cars like the Honda FCX Clarity which work exactly like a normal car but run on hydrogen fuel cells are the real "solution". But delve any further and I would be leaving the scope of this thread.

Yup, it'd definitely be getting a little far of the mark to discuss it in depth here, but suffice to say I'm not overly convinced hydrogen is the way forward. The thread for discussing that though is here :)
 
I never compared the twizy to the Prius. You did, I was talking about the ms Zoe Renault.

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But then it's not going to be as reliable as the Toyota.

Yaris? It's still a toyota.
 
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I think Priuses (Prii?) are really cool. Don't get me wrong, I'd never buy one myself, but I think the tech and versatility of them is amazing.

The Prius is too ugly for my tastes, but other then that, I wouldn't mind buying one I guess. Have to admit the video was a little bit funny tough. And I think that the plural for Prius would be Priusi or something like that :crazy: :crazy: .
 
I never compared the twizy to the Prius. You did, I was talking about the ms Zoe Renault.

Ah. Well had you actually mentioned the Zoe, I might have known what you were talking about. But since the Zoe isn't on sale yet, it's fairly irrelevant comparing it to the Prius.

And even if you had mentioned it and it was on sale, it's still in a different vehicle class. Nor will it do more than 100 or so miles on a "fill", which some people require.

Yaris? It's still a toyota.

He was responding to your comment about diesels versus the Prius (y'know... the bit he quoted). Nothing to do with the Yaris.
 
Well, this seems to be the place for this video. Language warning.



Go ahead, drive what you like.
 
Y'know, I'm just gonna stop it here. People have opinions full stop.

You're welcome to opinions, as is everyone else, but you're not welcome to post opinions as fact.

The only undeniably valid opinion in this thread about the Prius is that it's ugly, since that's an entirely subjective criteria. Some do find it ugly. Others don't. Others don't care either way.

Saying diesels are cleaner (they aren't), that "it's not an economical car unless you drive it sensibly" (it is - that's nearly 50mpg US, 60mpg UK - a close diesel equivalent, the Jetta TDI, is getting 38.5/46) or that an unreleased car in a different size class is a competitor (it isn't) is tantamount to making up any old tosh to support your own prejudices against the car.
 
homeforsummer
It's not about digging deep, it's about actually learning about something before you form opinions on it.

I think I know enough about that subject. Just don't dig into this man, I already got my final warning.
 
Okay, enough of the back-and-forth, and let's keep talking about a car that doesn't actually exist. :)
 
Okay, enough of the back-and-forth, and let's keep talking about a car that doesn't actually exist. :)

What, the killer Prius? That does exist, provided dim-witted owners step on the wrong pedal when they want to slow down...
 
What, the killer Prius? That does exist, provided dim-witted owners step on the wrong pedal when they want to slow down...

It's only trying to kill you if you're calling a news station during updating one's anti-Toyota blog while driving at the same time.
 
Oh yea and jag did confirm the cx75, it'll be powered by a Williams 4-cyl mated to a hybrid.

Anyway, yea. The engine fiasco did turn out to be a case of "USE THE GODDAM BRAKES". The media decided not to report the non-guilty verdict...
 
Oh yea and jag did confirm the cx75, it'll be powered by a Williams 4-cyl mated to a hybrid.

I suppose I should have remembered that, since I wrote about it myself. That said, "mated to a hybrid" makes no sense. A hybrid is something mated to something. I suspect you meant "mated to an electric motor".

Anyway, yea. The engine fiasco did turn out to be a case of "USE THE GODDAM BRAKES". The media decided not to report the non-guilty verdict...

Some did. Though we also reported on the DoT getting sued by a company that thought it was wrong to close the case. All about balance, y'see.
 
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