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Ok, I did some testing and for what it's worth, here's what I found:

Base car is 2010 Camaro SS, stage 2 engine, stage 1 weight + windows and hood, and all aero parts installed. All non-PP bolt-on upgrades(mid-grade if possible) and of course full custom tranny. Height-adjustable suspension kit, I keep forgetting to get the full custom.

I ran my first 4 hour last weekend. The car seemed to be somewhere near the pace I'm told I need with Sports Soft tires, but I got scared early by the pace of the R8 Race Car in my initial practice run, so I went with RH's. I then had quite the adventure, should have lost but won due to him apparently taking an unscheduled pit stop on the final straight. Still unsure about how that happened. Would have won handily if I hadn't run out of gas on lap 8.

Anyway, race 1 times with all my(again, mid-grade if possible) bolt-on power upgrades installed: 565PP, RH 8:36.8, RM 8:27.4, RS 8:17.4. A bit faster than necessary, assuming I don't waste two or three minutes at a time next time.

So I'm preparing for my next running, did my tests online to get tires and fuel as close to the race situation as possible. Being in a public room eliminated a couple of laps that could have been helpful, but oh well, it also made things a little less boring. Laps were done in 'endurance racing mode' -- racing right out of the pit, driving as fast as I could while still being nice enough to the tires to last 4 laps.

All bolt-on power parts removed: 539PP
RH 8:53.5 (full fuel, first flying lap, fairly clean but hardly 'perfect')
RM 8:42.9 (full fuel, first flying lap, really sloppy lap that could have easily been 5 seconds faster, clearly mediums are too fast)
My light fuel laps were interrupted by traffic/mistakes.

Added ECU and Sports Air Filter: 549PP
RH 8:42.2 (light fuel - enough for 4 laps but not much more, first flying lap, again fairly clean but with some small-ish mistakes)
My full fuel laps were interrupted.

So I'm tempted to believe that 539PP might be good enough once you burn off the extra three laps of fuel the car starts with, particularly if you are a little faster than I was. I wouldn't be at all surprised to see 3.5 seconds taken off of that lap just by driving better. It's too bad that I couldn't get a direct comparison of what difference fuel makes, I know that it makes a very big one, but I've been at it more than long enough for today. However I'll probably use 549PP for my next attempt, assuming that A)I'll make a few stupid mistakes over 4 hours, and B)I'll be racing an S2000 GT1 Turbo. Of course, if I need to make up time, there's always medium and soft tires, hmm...

I still almost think that 565PP with SS tires would do it, but you have to be pretty mistake-free on those tires, and the AI does use slicks. Probably would come down to the in-laps. And of course I could just be really, really slow :)
 
Cainius
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?t=151681
Here's a great much longer, more in depth thread on the subject, with more very fun, very interesting cars.
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Thank you for your insightful and helpful comments Cainius, we're all well aware of the thread, as we can also read. I took many recommendations for this race from that thread over the previous 10 times I've run it.

It also isn't specific enough, and is far too long. You'll notice that anyone useful enough to post a time with enough data is being added to the front of this thread so people don't have to read hundreds of posts of debate about what a "better" car is.

They only have to look at the times, tuning state and tyres of the recommended cars and decide how competitive they want to be against the benchmark car. If your rival is a different car, you can just upgrade or downgrade your tyres/power/weight in the tuning menu accordingly.

If you'd like to be productive, rather than just trolling my thread, please go enter the race in a car somewhere around 550pp and let us know how you get on. If not, please refrain from wasting everyone else's time.
 
Morgoth, Sakery and MeanElf, many thanks for the updates, times added to the front table :)

It really helps me save time if you can post using the same table format like MeanElf!
E.g.
8'42"X --- Amuse S2000 GT1 '04 ------- 525 PP --- 360 BHP --- 1200 kg --- SS --- SRF Off --- raVer

Sorry for the delay, been away this weekend for my birthday!
 
8.3x.xxx-8.4x.xxx --- Lexus IS-F Racing Concept --- 567 PP --- 535BHP --- 1350kg --- RH --- DF ?/? --- ABS 1, TC off for most of the race though I did put it on 2 for few slower more relaxing laps mid race.

I'm not the quickest racer so I expect for someone a little quicker this car would go onto the "too fast" list... For me though it made for a perfect race. I made some initial mistakes in terms of strategy and ended up winning by less than a minute in no small part because the AI messed up their strategy as well. My main competition pitted with less than 10 minutes on the clock!

I could have won by a little more if I had pushed in the last 10 minutes but I was dragging my heels on my last lap so I didn't cross the start finish line before the end and have to do another full lap.

I'm going to be doing this race again for sure, I wondered if this time I might do it with something that will win through range rather than speed.

Has anyone run an RM '96 Elise?
 
t_w_a_h
8.3x.xxx-8.4x.xxx --- Lexus IS-F Racing Concept --- 567 PP --- 535BHP --- 1350kg --- RH --- DF ?/? --- ABS 1, TC off for most of the race though I did put it on 2 for few slower more relaxing laps mid race.

I'm not the quickest racer so I expect for someone a little quicker this car would go onto the "too fast" list... For me though it made for a perfect race. I made some initial mistakes in terms of strategy and ended up winning by less than a minute in no small part because the AI messed up their strategy as well. My main competition pitted with less than 10 minutes on the clock!

I could have won by a little more if I had pushed in the last 10 minutes but I was dragging my heels on my last lap so I didn't cross the start finish line before the end and have to do another full lap.

I'm going to be doing this race again for sure, I wondered if this time I might do it with something that will win through range rather than speed.

Has anyone run an RM '96 Elise?
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Thanks! I'll put it in the too fast section as the times look quick, but glad you had a blast in it :D

If you want to try range, I was getting 6 to 7 laps out of a set of RH tyres in the CLK touring car (not CLK-GTR), but you'll win easily - maybe twiddle the power down or run SS tyres to see how you go.

Have a go in the RM Elise and say how you go! You don't have to redo the whole race, just try a couple of laps in practice and see how close you can get a car to 8.45.
 
mangobob
Sorry for the delay, been away this weekend for my birthday!
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Happy belated birthday bob.

mangobob
Have a go in the RM Elise and say how you go! You don't have to redo the whole race, just try a couple of laps in practice and see how close you can get a car to 8.45.
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Finished running this last night in the RM Elise '96. I was aiming for ~9.00 minute laps and was aiming for 6 to 8 laps per stint on RH. I ended up winning it by a good margin but it didn't necessarily look that way in the first two or so hours. I didn't have the Turbo or LMS in the line up but think it could definately be done with these in by a better driver than me. The Lotus can definately do 8.45 - 8.50 without wrecking tyres.

Race notes below:

01-9.21
02-9.05
03-9.03
04-9.29 - 7th at the end of lap - a few more laps life in the tyres, just over a quarter of a tank used. Hopefully I can make a set of tyres last half a tank.
03-9.02
05-9.28
06-9.20 - 1st at the end of lap - one more lap on tyres should bring me to half a tank. HPA Audi on my tail (and I think he has pitted).
07-9.24 - Pitted end of the lap. 10 litres of fuel added. 6th after pitstop - 40 secs down.
08-9.22
09-8.59
10-9.15 - 2nd, lots of cars pitted
11-9.07
12-8.59 - 1st by end of lap, overtook HKS on 2nd karussel, blocked a little on main straight and then he entered pits at the end of the lap. 18 seconds ahead.
13-9.06
14-9.04 - Still 1st at the end of lap will get two more laps out of tyres (just) and fuel.
15-9.22 - Think 2nd placed Audi must have pitted at end of this lap as gap went from 20 secs to 1 minute.
16-9.15 - Pitted end of the lap. 64 litres of fuel added. Came out in 1st but being pressured all the way by Audi.
17-10.08
18-9.00
19-8.56
20-9.00
21-9.02
22-9.05
23-8.58
24-9.38 - Pitted at the end of lap. 15 litres of fuel added (should have pitted one lap earlier, tyres dead). Came out in third (just over 18 minutes left on the clock), 22 seconds behind.
25-8.32- Back in first
26-9+ - Slowed right down on the final straight to come in after the clock and avoid an extra lap.

So I guess:

TIME -----CAR------------------------- PP ------- POWER ----WGHT --- TYRES -- SRF ON/OFF
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9.00.x --- Lotus Elise '96 RM ------- 546 PP --- 203 BHP --- 645kg ---- RH --- SRF Off --- Ted

The 9.00.x was my target average on a non in/out lap.
 
Mclaren F1 is very fast but chews up its tyres equally fast, so you would have to pit more often with it, perhaps every 2 laps, 3 at best.
 

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