Project Motor Racing General Discussion

[crtlopes]

Yeahh. Everthing we ever asked for this game. Great job guys. Continue the great work. The playerbase will be drasticaly improved after this update.

 

[ykiki]

I just recently picked this up since it was on a massive discount for PS5 (and I had a decent amount of credit in my PS Store account), but have yet to try it out. It's there a good guide that someone can point me to? Thanks in advance.

 

[Fossilized]

I very much doubt that Reiza has a licence that allows them to sell on those assets.

Why? Apparently, SMS did...

 

[Titzon Toast]

I just recently picked this up since it was on a massive discount for PS5 (and I had a decent amount of credit in my PS Store account), but have yet to try it out. It's there a good guide that someone can point me to? Thanks in advance.

Are you using a controller or a wheel?

 

[zaxs]

Not happy with game, even after all this big updates, it just drives bad on gamepad and I can't forgive them that.
They could fix it, but don't want to.

I was even thinking about getting Season Pass bcs of Road America, but after getting Automobilista 2, that won't happen.

 

[Scaff]

Why? Apparently, SMS did...

You know this how?

Asset creation (and the sale of created assets) does not carry with it the licence to then commercially use those assets if the copyright for them is held by someone else.

SMS may well of sold completed assets to Reiza (which would have saved them dev time and money), but Reiza would almost certainly still need to have licenced them for commercial use from the brands involved.

 

[egl92]

 

[ykiki]

Are you using a controller or a wheel?

I'm using a controller.

 

[Fossilized]

You know this how?

Asset creation (and the sale of created assets) does not carry with it the licence to then commercially use those assets if the copyright for them is held by someone else.

SMS may well of sold completed assets to Reiza (which would have saved them dev time and money), but Reiza would almost certainly still need to have licenced them for commercial use from the brands involved.

But why would S4S not have the exact same capability? To purchase their assets they created for PC2 back from Reiza, license those they had to and rename those they could get away with and avoid licensing fees altogether (Northampton etc).

It would have given S4S the same advantage Reiza had going into AMS2, free up dev time to concentrate on new assets.

I'm a little confused about why S4S are supposed to face any more restrictions than Reiza had. AMS went from a game with a pretty unique, mostly S. American focus, to AMS2 with that S American track list, and lo and behold, a whole bunch of PC2 tracks! And PC2 cars.

The only difference is that Reiza publicly acknowledged the purchase of those assets, but there's no law that says they HAD to. As long as the sale is legal, it's done. It might also explain why so few tracks in PMR. SMS didn't sell Reiza their entire track list, just a bunch of the more popular European tracks. Seems that those are the ones S4S would purchase back, buying the S American ones would make it little more than an AMS2 clone.

I mean, yes, it's doubtful either of us will know for sure, but my theory at least fits the facts. S4S were coding PMR on a shoestring. Reclaiming the PC2 assets they had sold would have been an obvious move if they couldn't get them from Codemasters or EA. All that would remain would be the licensing. Seems S4S found a way around even that in some cases.

TL : DR... If Reiza could do it, so could S4S

 

[Scaff]

But why would S4S not have the exact same capability? To purchase their assets they created for PC2 back from Reiza, license those they had to and rename those they could get away with and avoid licensing fees altogether (Northampton etc).

It would have given S4S the same advantage Reiza had going into AMS2, free up dev time to concentrate on new assets.

I'm a little confused about why S4S are supposed to face any more restrictions than Reiza had. AMS went from a game with a pretty unique, mostly S. American focus, to AMS2 with that S American track list, and lo and behold, a whole bunch of PC2 tracks! And PC2 cars.

The only difference is that Reiza publicly acknowledged the purchase of those assets, but there's no law that says they HAD to. As long as the sale is legal, it's done. It might also explain why so few tracks in PMR. SMS didn't sell Reiza their entire track list, just a bunch of the more popular European tracks. Seems that those are the ones S4S would purchase back, buying the S American ones would make it little more than an AMS2 clone.

I mean, yes, it's doubtful either of us will know for sure, but my theory at least fits the facts. S4S were coding PMR on a shoestring. Reclaiming the PC2 assets they had sold would have been an obvious move if they couldn't get them from Codemasters or EA. All that would remain would be the licensing. Seems S4S found a way around even that in some cases.

TL : DR... If Reiza could do it, so could S4S

A couple of reasons.

When Codemasters bought SMS they became the new owners of those assets and the agreement with Reiza, not SMS and not the entirely new business that is S4S. Reiza would need permission from Codemasters/EA to do that.

Reiza bought assets for the engine (both physics and visual) that they also licensed, PMR isn't using that engine at all. While it's possible they could be converted, that process is going to reduce or negate any cost saving.

 

[Titzon Toast]

I'm using a controller.

Right, I can't really help you then, sorry.
I've heard the game is not that great with a controller tbh.

 

[05XR8]

I'm using a controller.

Controller is pretty good out of the box. These are the settings I use.

 

[Jezza819]

Now having driven each one of the GT 60 cars I prefer both the Jaguar and the Daytona over the Corvette. Before I though the Corvette was just the dominate car by a long shot. But I took the Daytona to Kyalami and raised AI to 70 and still beat half a dozen of the Corvettes by 25 seconds in just an 8 lap race. I need to see that on another track to be sure it's not just a glitch.

I also drove the Group C Mazda for the first time in a very long time and it still absolutely sucks. I don't understand how Group C cars have almost no lateral grip.

 

[sirjim73]

Im going to take a wild guess and say it's a Porsche (or an Ehcsrop).

 

[Tool1312]

Im going to take a wild guess and say it's a Porsche (or an Ehcsrop).

Surely it's the test track

 

[sirjim73]

Surely it's the test track

Yes, of course.
Sorry - it was my attempt at a joke. When I watched the video, my eyes were drawn to the giant banner on the windscreen saying "EHCSR".

 

[Fossilized]

A couple of reasons.

When Codemasters bought SMS they became the new owners of those assets and the agreement with Reiza, not SMS and not the entirely new business that is S4S. Reiza would need permission from Codemasters/EA to do that.

Reiza bought assets for the engine (both physics and visual) that they also licensed, PMR isn't using that engine at all. While it's possible they could be converted, that process is going to reduce or negate any cost saving.

So you're saying SMS/Bandai didn't sell the assets outright to Reiza? Was that ever officially stated?

I'm not sure, in Reiza's position that I'd want to base my entire game around assets and an engine another company could dictate what I did with it.

 

[Scaff]

So you're saying SMS/Bandai didn't sell the assets outright to Reiza? Was that ever officially stated?

I'm not sure, in Reiza's position that I'd want to base my entire game around assets and an engine another company could dictate what I did with it.

SMS licenced what Reiza used, it's perfectly normal to not sell your IP (in fact you would need to be insane to do otherwise) and to limit how it can be used.

As an example, as a photographer every image I shoot is my IP and copyright, even when I am shooting for a client. The client can then use those images in the manner we have agreed to before the shoot (and written in the contract for the shoot). As a result, they can not use those images outside of that agreement, and the 100% do not own the IP or copyright of that work.

 

[Fossilized]

So if SMS sold the license to Reiza, it was their IP? From what you said earlier, apparently it is Bandai (then Codemasters and now EA) that owned the IP. So did Bandai license the deal with Reiza?

If the assets were SMS's IP, wouldn't Ian Bell still own them after SMS folded? We've got two different narratives here, one in which SMS own their own IP and who did the deal with Reiza, and one where Bandai etc own everything, and Ian Bell takes nothing with him when it all folds.

The latter is the narrative that prevents Reiza from selling the assets back to Ian Bell, but it's hard to see why Bandai (or Codemasters etc) would sell to Reiza to create competition for their own product in the first place.

Definitely confusing. 🤣

 

[c172fccc]

So if SMS sold the license to Reiza, it was their IP? From what you said earlier, apparently it is Bandai (then Codemasters and now EA) that owned the IP. So did Bandai license the deal with Reiza?

Bandai Namco never owned anything, they were only the publisher. The deal with Reiza was made before SMS was acquired by Codemaster.

 

[Scaff]

So if SMS sold the license to Reiza, it was their IP?

Yep, at that point in time (note however, SMS didn't sell anything to Reiza, they licenced it for use).

From what you said earlier, apparently it is Bandai (then Codemasters and now EA) that owned the IP. So did Bandai license the deal with Reiza?

Bandai: Nope, they were only the publisher for those titles. Codemasters and then EA: Yep, they bought SMS outright and that would include all IP (which is just as valuable, if not more so, than code*).

If the assets were SMS's IP, wouldn't Ian Bell still own them after SMS folded?

Nope, they were sold when SMS were bought by Codemasters (and sold again when EA bought Codemasters)

We've got two different narratives here, one in which SMS own their own IP and who did the deal with Reiza,

Yep, and SMS sold those when they were bought by Codemasters, who then sold them on when they were bought by EA.

and one where Bandai etc own everything,

Nope, as Bandai were a publisher and never owned the rights at all, they took a share of the profits in exchange for marketing, promotion, distribution, etc.

and Ian Bell takes nothing with him when it all folds.

When SMS was closed as a studio by EA, Ian Bell had already sold it (and all its assets) to Codemasters (who then sold them to EA), Ian Bell owned nothing to take with him.

The latter is the narrative that prevents Reiza from selling the assets back to Ian Bell, but it's hard to see why Bandai (or Codemasters etc) would sell to Reiza to create competition for their own product in the first place.

Good thing neither of them did then. Reiza also don't own anything to sell, they licensed it from SMS.

Definitely confusing. 🤣

A bit.


*Example. When VAG bought Rolls Royce Motor group for £430 million in the 90s they forgot to check if that included the brand name (and all associated IP - i.e. the look of the cars, design symbols, etc.), it didn't (only the factory and Bentley name/IP). The brand was still owned by Rolls-Royce Aero, BMW bought the Rolls-Royce brand for £40-million) and screwed by VAG's plans for a bargain price.

 

[r_outsider]

The license would have been for use of the Madness engine- models may or may not have been included but Reiza would have had to get their own licensing to have specific cars and tracks in AMS2. As for Reiza sharing or selling anything back to Straight4, somehow methinks there may not be a lot of love lost there. Just a hunch. And again, even if they purchased models, they'd still have to obtain the license from whichever manufacturer or whoever held the rights.