Proof that the Nascar has inflated difficulty

[HuskyGT]

I am sorry, but this is a bad and unfair comparison; it always bugs me people blow things out of proportion like so.
You can still draft with an assist that slows the vehicle.
You cannot write without your hands (I am ignoring silly and incredibly rare exceptions like foot and mouth writing).

A proper comparison may be more like:
- writing, no hands = drafting, no steering wheel.
Clearly this isn't the case. It would be...
- writing, incorrect style of holding (the writing utensil) = drafting, ASM

With the latter, even though one would be disadvantaged, it can be done with enough practice. Afterwards, it's not difficult to retrain with correct conditions.

I´m not throwing things out of proportions like you say. Bad comparison, yes. I´ve never intended to sound over dramatic.

Point is, the game handicaps the player to compensate the lack of A.I difficulty. And for a game like Gran Turismo to do that, it just contradicts the realism aspect of it.

Really, it doesn´t matter. I´ve golded those events almost a year ago. Plus although somewhat fun, and with the awesome cars it has, I could care less about NASCAR... Plus, it´s just a game.

I guess no matter what one says here, there will be another lurking to contradict one´s point of view

 

[dudeondacouch]

I agree.

Artificial difficulty is probably the thing that annoys me most about some games.

 

[mikeonthebike]

I guess no matter what one says here, there will be another lurking to contradict one´s point of view

There you go, I fixed it for you. HAHAHA. there is always somebody else that thinks you are WRONG and really truly believes you are wrong. THIS IS NOT ANGLED AT ANYBODY IN THIS THREAD, but forum posts at times seem to attract people that like to just talk down to people and berate them for no apparent reason other than possibly making themselves feel better. Sad thing.

 

[ChupiChupi]

This would all be solved if you just turned ABS off. ABS off means ASM off too. (Since ASM keeps stability by braking separate wheels, therefore if the ASM braked 2 wheels very hard, those wheels would lock up and would create the opposite of stability. It would create a spin, which is exactly what ASM is suppose to prevent. See my point here?)

 

[NotSoSilentBob]

This would all be solved if you just turned ABS off. ABS off means ASM off too. (Since ASM keeps stability by braking separate wheels, therefore if the ASM braked 2 wheels very hard, those wheels would lock up and would create the opposite of stability. It would create a spin, which is exactly what ASM is suppose to prevent. See my point here?)

That is the Old trick pre-1.06 patch. Since then if you try to lower ABS the lowest you can go is 1 and ASM is still active. As stated in the OP it makes the challenge harder then need be because PD has cruddy AI(in terms of Nascar).

 

[CSLACR]

I disagree with the ones bragging about golding these events. What the OP is pointing out is the fact that the game forces ASM on your car so it´s deliberately slower than the A.I, and that´s not correct. Yes it teaches you how to draft, but it forces you not to do it right. Is like teaching a child to write, and at the same time forbiting him to use his hands.

The challenges are not easy with the ASM on. The ones that say it was a piece of cake, they don´t fool anyone. They made it, I belive them, but I´m dead sure most of them struggled big time.

Not at all. 3 tries at the most for any of them. That goes for most events in the game though.
BTW Every license test has srf on, and I agree it's ridiculous, to force any aid in any kind in any event is ridiculous imo.

 

[Brit999]

I completed the challenges (gold) on my primary account a few months ago. Since starting the game again on a secondary account in the last few weeks I thought I had become an even worse driver/gamer. I find the final two tests in Nascar impossible to gold as well.

Thanks for giving me some hope

 

[Exorcet]

if it was easy, it wouldn't be a challenge

Actually it would be.

But consider this, if PD wanted to make something difficult here are some options:

-Unrealistic and fun zapping interference to player (ASM, or force the player's car to have completely worn tires, or make the TV screen blank)

-Make the AI cars go faster

I'm sure that one is better than the other.

 

[grzajabarkus]

I am not even close to being a really good player and I golded all the Jeff Gordon events with the DS3. It's definitely possible. Just keep at it.

Same here.

 

[Grand Prix]

Do real NASCAR stock cars use electronic driving aids?

Why should a driving simulator force you to use them in a NASCAR event then? Because PD Logic.

 

[yoman297]

I got all golds on this, I don't see the trouble.

http://www.ps3trophies.org/forum/gran-turismo-5/81077-race-series-guide-career-seasonal-events.html

That's the guide I used.

 

[daggoth]

I tried to be as careful as i can with the analog sticks but it can't be done with the DS3.

I did it with the DS3 about a week ago. It's possible you just to devise a strategy. You have to follow the right car, one of them that is right in front of you will leap the field to the top places, you must follow that one. Also braking in the corners is really important since you will gain a large advantage. Just slam the brakes for a brief period and then go WOT immediately, it takes practice but it's doable.

The one that you come out of the pits is easy if you cheat a little. Just position your car so that you get slammed and off you go to an easy win. Good luck.

 

[Bushby_23]

I don't know when I golded them on the ds3, but I would've left abs on and not touched the settings. It not too difficult, just be patient and smooth.

 

[NABeast]

It's the same with the license tests,it's BS that it forces it on. I think it has more to do with your driving style,once you learn to drive without it,it's hard to adjust because it just slows you down. I understand about the challenge and all that but I personally hate it.

 

[BlueMax]

I did these last night( hadn't golded them yet) and it took a couple of tries to get used to the ASM slowing me down, but I found my line. I agree that the ASM shouldn't be on, it's Daytona, where ther car shouldn't even have brakes, lol

 

[Stratman]

Not true at all, I play with the DS3, and sure it may be harder, but not impossible.

+1
I golded this about 5th attempt with ds3 but I've no idea which version it was.

First few times I was not even close- then I followed leader as much as possible caught the draft at just the right moment and thought it was easy. I admit to blocking- carefully though.

But definitely dude- get a (force feedback) wheel. Sooooo much easier. I use one of these old clunkers- still WAY better than ds3.

Some cheap on ebay mate like $50, doesn't have to be a next level $1500 chair.

 

[sumbrownkid]

What does ASM have to do with bump drafting?

Just stay behind the closest guy you are behind, bump draft until you get with the pack, and voila, gold.

Or are you guys talking about the don't touch the cones challenge?

 

[Seismica]

I did these before the "ASM forced on" fiasco, but I do remember not figuring out how to turn it off until after many attempts.

I agree that the last event can be golded, but the earlier one with the cones where you have to take the whole corner using the high line... not so much. I tried it probably close to 100 times with the ASM on, and even with a flawless attempt, i was like 0.2 off or some such.

It's very possible, just use as much of the road on entry as possible and keep a smooth line. I did this one myself first time with DS3, with ABS/ASM on.

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The fact that the difficulty of the events is greater with a driving aid on that is the problem. Firstly, a driving aid should never hinder you and secondly, they shouldn't change the difficulty of an event like that. Imagine if they turned round and forced you to use ASM on the Vettel challenge.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

If they wanted to handicap the event, I think they should have lowered the HP or PP of the user's car. Something to teach the importance of drafting is good. They could've done it better though. ASM on a super speedway where you run flat out is insulting.

 

[Goshin2568]

I understand your point. But I also understand the need for difficulty. Without any difficulty people would complain beating the game within the first week. I dont know, if they really took off asm on our car, would it really make you a better driver, or just make the game easier?

That doesn't even make sense though. Making something difficult by giving the ai unfair and unrealistic help isn't the way to go. You would probably never have to be forced to use ASM irl, and you sure as heck wouldn't be forced to use it while everyone else didn't have to.
I mean, it would be like if PD, in an effort to make it more difficult, gave the AI rocket boosters on the backs of their cars. Would it make it more difficult? Yes. Would it be fair or realistic in any way? No!

 

[grzajabarkus]

If they wanted to handicap the event, I think they should have lowered the HP or PP of the user's car. Something to teach the importance of drafting is good. They could've done it better though. ASM on a super speedway where you run flat out is insulting.

In that respect, I feel this post would say, instead of the ASM, why is our car less horsepower then the AI. It's not fair. They chose to so something, because in there mind, it was just an option they decided to run with that had less tweaking. Plus before patch 1.06 it was possible to switch off ASM, I did it post 1.06 and I really didn't find it that incredibly difficult. I had to do it a few times, but I got it done.

 

[Brit999]

I am looking for some help with this event. I posted earlier that I completed the event all golds on my primary account (pre patch). I have done all the challenges in nascar on a different account and I cant win either of the last 2 (the two lap challenges). I have come close (3rd) on the Indy course, but after lots of starts on Daytona I cannot better 11th!!!

I am using a DFGT (auto), and I normally have all aids off. I cannot turn ABS off, and as has been mentioned ASM is stuck on.

Remember this is after the patch. If you have any advice please tell me that you have done these challenges in the last week or two with the settings and cars as they are now. Its not worth telling me it was easy a year ago, I know. I did it.

Please, can anyone give me some tips. Or just some hope that they have golded these challenges in the last week or two.

Thanks in advance.

 

[grzajabarkus]

I am looking for some help with this event. I posted earlier that I completed the event all golds on my primary account (pre patch). I have done all the challenges in nascar on a different account and I cant win either of the last 2 (the two lap challenges). I have come close (3rd) on the Indy course, but after lots of starts on Daytona I cannot better 11th!!!

I am using a DFGT (auto), and I normally have all aids off. I cannot turn ABS off, and as has been mentioned ASM is stuck on.

Remember this is after the patch. If you have any advice please tell me that you have done these challenges in the last week or two with the settings and cars as they are now. Its not worth telling me it was easy a year ago, I know. I did it.

Please, can anyone give me some tips. Or just some hope that they have golded these challenges in the last week or two.

Thanks in advance.

Well I would drive in manual. And just draft as long as you can before you pass someone. I never did these events pre patch so I can't speak for how easy it was then, but I got it within 10 tries. It's a pain. But just draft as long as you can. And switch to manual.

 

[Energizerrr]

I disagree with the ones bragging about golding these events. What the OP is pointing out is the fact that the game forces ASM on your car so it´s deliberately slower than the A.I, and that´s not correct. Yes it teaches you how to draft, but it forces you not to do it right. Is like teaching a child to write, and at the same time forbiting him to use his hands.

The challenges are not easy with the ASM on. The ones that say it was a piece of cake, they don´t fool anyone. They made it, I belive them, but I´m dead sure most of them struggled big time.

I golded every NASCAR event in 2 tries at most, I don't see how ASM on prevents you from winning - ASM doesn't work on straights, so if you're unable to win then you're doing something wrong!
Nevertheless - I agree that this ASM on is a joke and is used to artificially make an event harder.
Reminds me of forced SRF on in licence tests [IC-3, 370Z on Indy would be so much easier without SRF].

The ABS 1 was done in 1.06(same update the changed the nice grand tour toscan night challenge track).

I know you have to draft to win but when you hit the corners you lose so much speed and the AI behind you just wizz past.

I tried to be as careful as i can with the analog sticks but it can't be done with the DS3.

This seems to be yet another example of Kaz making this game "steering wheel only".
If Kaz gave me $500 to get a logitech G25/G27 i will get one, but i am not going to waste what little money i have on a cheap wheel.

I golded the event many times - all done using my sixaxis, and what? Oh, another "steering wheel makes GT5 easier" post, well - I'm sorry to break this to you, but wheel doesn't make GT5 any easier (apart from S.Vettel Challenge) and wheel takes some serious time to get dialed into (I have my wheel for 1 month now and I'm still slower with it than with sixaixs).

I am sorry, but this is a bad and unfair comparison; it always bugs me people blow things out of proportion like so.
You can still draft with an assist that slows the vehicle.
You cannot write without your hands (I am ignoring silly and incredibly rare exceptions like foot and mouth writing).

A proper comparison may be more like:
- writing, no hands = drafting, no steering wheel.
Clearly this isn't the case. It would be...
- writing, incorrect style of holding (the writing utensil) = drafting, ASM

With the latter, even though one would be disadvantaged, it can be done with enough practice. Afterwards, it's not difficult to retrain with correct conditions.

👍

 

[BlueMax]

I am looking for some help with this event. I posted earlier that I completed the event all golds on my primary account (pre patch). I have done all the challenges in nascar on a different account and I cant win either of the last 2 (the two lap challenges). I have come close (3rd) on the Indy course, but after lots of starts on Daytona I cannot better 11th!!!

I am using a DFGT (auto), and I normally have all aids off. I cannot turn ABS off, and as has been mentioned ASM is stuck on.

Remember this is after the patch. If you have any advice please tell me that you have done these challenges in the last week or two with the settings and cars as they are now. Its not worth telling me it was easy a year ago, I know. I did it.

Please, can anyone give me some tips. Or just some hope that they have golded these challenges in the last week or two.

Thanks in advance.

Follow the Jimmy Johnson car(48), otherwise you fall out of the draft and will be stuck in 11th. Going into turn 1 he goes high, be careful not to scrape the wall or you won't recover.