PS3 controller vs steering wheel

[iWanchek]

So, what y'all think ppl, what is better, faster??

For example, I'm driving my Honda Wieder Raybirg on the Nordschleife, did 5:53.310 on PS3 controller, I've seen another dudes who did 5:45 easy, and I know that they r driving on a wheel, but are wheels 10 sec's faster or am I lacking of skill?!

My aids are off except the ASM and sometimes the SRF (skid recovery force), if I turn off those two assists, the car is undriveble. Slides, over/understeer, wheel spin out off the corners etc...undriveble on controller!!

I've solid setup, attack hard the track, but it seems that I'm limited on a controller, limited of precision and controlling the car.
I know that I with maybe better setup cans has max second and a half max, but 10?!

So, what y'all thinking, can
controller do the same times as the wheel drivers or?!
Looking the TT online, almost everyone is on wheels so my assumption is that the drivers who are using steering wheel quicker then players on a controllers, and have better feeling and control of
The car. I can understand that someone is quicker then me on a controller 4/5sec's but 10, no way!!
EDIT:
Please if u can, share ure time and setup for this car so we can improve the handling of the car and be better here.

 

[et_]

First of all, using ASM will slow you down more than 10 sec around the 'ring, and turning off SRF is about another 10 sec added. if the car is difficult to control, use TC and AS. they dont affect total speed that much.

Now, IMO a wheel is faster, but not by that much. I'm about 6 sec slower around the 'ring with a controller, but if you're really good, you can go just as fast.

 

[FussyFez]

So, what y'all think ppl, what is better, faster??

For example, I'm driving my Honda Wieder Raybirg on the Nordschleife, did 5:55.522 on PS3 controller, I've seen another dudes who did 5:45 easy, and I know that they r driving on a wheel, but are wheels 10 sec's faster or am I lacking of skill?!

My aids are off except the ASM and sometimes the SRF (skid recovery force), if I turn off those two assists, the car is undriveble. Slides, over/understeer, wheel spin out off the corners etc...undriveble on controller!!

I've solid setup, attack hard the track, but it seems that I'm limited on a controller, limited of precision and controlling the car.
I know that I with maybe better setup cans has max second and a half max, but 10?!

So, what y'all thinking, can
controller do the same times as the wheel drivers or?!
Looking the TT online, almost everyone is on wheels so my assumption is that the drivers who are using steering wheel quicker then players on a controllers, and have better feeling and control of
The car. I can understand that someone is quicker then me on a controller 4/5sec's but 10, no way!!

If you want a wheel, get one, your obviously very intrigued by them. I can highly recommend it, is the best thing you'll do.


ASM is slowing you down.

I've solid setup, attack hard the track, but it seems that I'm limited on a controller, limited of precision and controlling the car.
I know that I with maybe better setup cans has max second and a half max, but 10?!

This may be where you are going wrong.

Try a slightly more relaxed style.

There are a few key corners that you must absolutely nail in order to get a seriously competetive time down at the Ring. You obviously know it quite well, because a 5:55 is respectable

Focus on maximising your corner exit speed for the corners leading onto long straights (well, high speed flat out sections). This should see you gaining time by the time you get to the braking zone at the other end.


Good luck

 

[iWanchek]

First of all, using ASM will slow you down more than 10 sec around the 'ring, and turning off SRF is about another 10 sec added. if the car is difficult to control, use TC and AS. they dont affect total speed that much.

Now, IMO a wheel is faster, but not by that much. I'm about 6 sec slower around the 'ring with a controller, but if you're really good, you can go just as fast.

With ASM I'm 10 slower?! Hmmm...without the ASM my Honda just slides bro! No way that I lets say the Karusell I go perfectly smooth and at the exit aggressive otherwise I'll just spin out

If you want a wheel, get one, your obviously very intrigued by them. I can highly recommend it, is the best thing you'll do.


ASM is slowing you down.



This may be where you are going wrong.

Try a slightly more relaxed style.

There are a few key corners that you must absolutely nail in order to get a seriously competetive time down at the Ring. You obviously know it quite well, because a 5:55 is respectable

Focus on maximising your corner exit speed for the corners leading onto long straights (well, high speed flat out sections). This should see you gaining time by the time you get to the braking zone at the other end.


Good luck

For now I will stick to the controller b'koz if I buy a wheel I need to buy like a few things as well for the wheel sooo...it can wait a little bit for now.

I know the track, as I mention abowe, my setup is let's say Ok, front max grip, back avatars, springs/dampers etc r so in the middle as well, good transmission...only with ASM I've a stable car with no let say much wheel spin, the car is controllable, as u can see from my time....

Sooooooo better setup, hit few corners...hmmmm...

 

[FussyFez]

With ASM I'm 10 slower?! Hmmm...without the ASM my Honda just slides bro! No way that I lets say the Karusell I go perfectly smooth and at the exit aggressive otherwise I'll just spin out


For now I will stick to the controller b'koz if I buy a wheel I need to buy like a few things as well for the wheel sooo...it can wait a little bit for now.

I know the track, as I mention abowe, my setup is let's say Ok, front max grip, back avatars, springs/dampers etc r so in the middle as well, good transmission...only with ASM I've a stable car with no let say much wheel spin, the car is controllable, as u can see from my time....

Sooooooo better setup, hit few corners...hmmmm...

ASM brakes individual wheels when it senses a loss of control, or a slide, be it from the front or the rear.

The only time it will make you faster, is if you are pushing the car too hard.

Without it, going into the same bend, with the same technique, will not work.

But without it, you can learn to control the car 'on the limit', to get those 10 seconds you want.

When at its absolute maximum possible speed through a corner, a car will be sliding, very slightly, with all four wheels. With ASM on, as soon as you get anywhere this 'limit', it applies brakes in a very clever manner, to regain complete grip and composure.

This is what's slowing you down.

You are relying on the ASM to get you through the bend.

I don't blame you, you are used to it, and have developed a technique that works with it.

But, ultimately, it's slowing you down.

Don't take it personally, thousands of blokes around the world everyday get saved, by the real life equivalents of ASM.

I've had a dabble myself and been very impressed at its ability to save a very eager entry, but ultimately, when driving smoothly, and as I would be normally with genuine no assists (inc abs 0), it interferes when it's not needed, and slows me down unnecessarily.


Try a higher ABS setting and TCS 5, with SRF but no ASM. Do you best to concentrate on getting your braking done in a straight line, and turning into the corner with the right speed to maximise corner exit speed. 'Slow in fast out.' Going into a corner too fast will almost always make the exit slower than it ultimately could be, and a higher corner exit speed means a higher top speed before the next braking zone. This is the key to fast lap times.




Good luck 👍

 

[iWanchek]

ASM brakes individual wheels when it senses a loss of control, or a slide, be it from the front or the rear.

The only time it will make you faster, is if you are pushing the car too hard.

Without it, going into the same bend, with the same technique, will not work.

But without it, you can learn to control the car 'on the limit', to get those 10 seconds you want.

When at its absolute maximum possible speed through a corner, a car will be sliding, very slightly, with all four wheels. With ASM on, as soon as you get anywhere this 'limit', it applies brakes in a very clever manner, to regain complete grip and composure.

This is what's slowing you down.

You are relying on the ASM to get you through the bend.

I don't blame you, you are used to it, and have developed a technique that works with it.

But, ultimately, it's slowing you down.

Don't take it personally, thousands of blokes around the world everyday get saved, by the real life equivalents of ASM.

I've had a dabble myself and been very impressed at its ability to save a very eager entry, but ultimately, when driving smoothly, and as I would be normally with genuine no assists (inc abs 0), it interferes when it's not needed, and slows me down unnecessarily.


Try a higher ABS setting and TCS 5, with SRF but no ASM. Do you best to concentrate on getting your braking done in a straight line, and turning into the corner with the right speed to maximise corner exit speed. 'Slow in fast out.' Going into a corner too fast will almost always make the exit slower than it ultimately could be, and a higher corner exit speed means a higher top speed before the next braking zone. This is the key to fast lap times.




Good luck 👍

Thx bro, I'll try to do this way, TC1 ASM off and abs 1...TC should do the job to prevent the Tyres to spin....that's what I need tho. I've drove with tc earlier and it's slowing me down, b'koz it wount let me accelerate when I want it!

Ure right with"slow in fast out", but some corners just invite u to brake in the middle of it ☺️

Everything what u said is great, but have in mind that I'm on a controller. I don't have the feeling for the throttle and the needed precision that y'all guys have on the wheel.

But I'll do my best to with this few adjustment.

 

[FussyFez]

Thx bro, I'll try to do this way, TC1 ASM off and abs 1...TC should do the job to prevent the Tyres to spin....that's what I need tho. I've drove with tc earlier and it's slowing me down, b'koz it wount let me accelerate when I want it!

Ure right with"slow in fast out", but some corners just invite u to brake in the middle of it ☺️

Everything what u said is great, but have in mind that I'm on a controller. I don't have the feeling for the throttle and the needed precision that y'all guys have on the wheel.

But I'll do my best to with this few adjustment.

Good luck, try changing accell and brakes to L2 and R2 or using the analog if your using the X and square buttons.

Also using analog for steering can give you very good control with practice.



Keep at it without ASM, it's worth it.

One you feel comfortable without ASM, try turning off SRF.

Remember its about you having fun, so don't get frustrated. Keep using SRF if it keeps things fun.

 

[Johnnypenso]

So, what y'all think ppl, what is better, faster??

For example, I'm driving my Honda Wieder Raybirg on the Nordschleife, did 5:55.522 on PS3 controller, I've seen another dudes who did 5:45 easy, and I know that they r driving on a wheel, but are wheels 10 sec's faster or am I lacking of skill?!

My aids are off except the ASM and sometimes the SRF (skid recovery force), if I turn off those two assists, the car is undriveble. Slides, over/understeer, wheel spin out off the corners etc...undriveble on controller!!

I've solid setup, attack hard the track, but it seems that I'm limited on a controller, limited of precision and controlling the car.
I know that I with maybe better setup cans has max second and a half max, but 10?!

So, what y'all thinking, can
controller do the same times as the wheel drivers or?!
Looking the TT online, almost everyone is on wheels so my assumption is that the drivers who are using steering wheel quicker then players on a controllers, and have better feeling and control of
The car. I can understand that someone is quicker then me on a controller 4/5sec's but 10, no way!!

10 seconds on the 'Ring isn't a lot of time. I have no idea what the potential of that car is with whatever upgrades you are running, but it's not hard to be 10 seconds off the pace there of a really skilled pilot.

I'd suggest turning off all the aids except for ABS and practice, practice, practice if you really want to learn to be a better sim pilot and reach your potential. Other than SRF, the other aids just slow you down and more importantly, they do some of the driving for you, which gives you an inflated sense of your skills and also takes away some of the wonderful feedback PD has programmed into the physics in GT6.

 

[iWanchek]

Good luck, try changing accell and brakes to L2 and R2 or using the analog if your using the X and square buttons.

Also using analog for steering can give you very good control with practice.



Keep at it without ASM, it's worth it.

One you feel comfortable without ASM, try turning off SRF.

Remember its about you having fun, so don't get frustrated. Keep using SRF if it keeps things fun.

It's fun at the beginning but when u drive the whole track behind ure own ghost 0.250, the. Thers no time to drive with"fun"!

Mostly I drive with all
Aids off only SKF and ASM on, lately I'm trying to drive with skf off or both off, but then the car (Honda) can't be driven bro. On a controller no way but on a wheel-I think no problem.

Sometimes I curse on the developer of the game, so irritated I can be. Sometimes the car handles strange, wount turn, slides, rolls over....

When I did my 5:55.522 I drive as a maniac but lately 5:58 was my max. Damn....

10 seconds on the 'Ring isn't a lot of time. I have no idea what the potential of that car is with whatever upgrades you are running, but it's not hard to be 10 seconds off the pace there of a really skilled pilot.

I'd suggest turning off all the aids except for ABS and practice, practice, practice if you really want to learn to be a better sim pilot and reach your potential. Other than SRF, the other aids just slow you down and more importantly, they do some of the driving for you, which gives you an inflated sense of your skills and also takes away some of the wonderful feedback PD has programmed into the physics in GT6.

Everything what u said my friend stays, but, keep in mind that with all aids off the car is undriveble. Just try for ure self. Buy you're self a honda Weider Raybirg, tune it to the maximum, here on gtplanet u have some few set ups and give it a try. Firs drive with all aids off exept ASM and the SRF then go all off and then u'll see what am I talking about.

I'll gladly take y'all advices I really do, but unless u try it by you're self, then u can't know the difference between controller and wheel.

 

[Mat123]

Everything what u said my friend stays, but, keep in mind that with all aids off the car is undriveble. Just try for ure self. Buy you're self a honda Weider Raybirg, tune it to the maximum, here on gtplanet u have some few set ups and give it a try. Firs drive with all aids off exept ASM and the SRF then go all off and then u'll see what am I talking about.

Well, there's your problem. Why don't you try it out stock first, without aids, then slowly work your way up?

I'll gladly take y'all advices I really do, but unless u try it by you're self, then u can't know the difference between controller and wheel.

What exactly do you mean? Obviously a controller has a different feel compared to a wheel. There's no way they would ever feel the same.

 

[iWanchek]

Well, there's your problem. Why don't you try it out stock first, without aids, then slowly work your way up?

B'koz I know the car very well till now. I drive the 600pp, it's like 560bhp, goes amazing to tho, every gear, corner to the limit, but, with 840bhp is a different ball game on a same track

 

[Mat123]

B'koz I know the car very well till now. I drive the 600pp, it's like 560bhp, goes amazing to tho, every gear, corner to the limit, but, with 840bhp is a different ball game on a same track

Then why don't you slowly move up? Start with lower horsepower, until you get a feel for it, then slowly increase power, while refining the setup.

Note that more power isn't always a better solution.

Also, I added another question to my previous post, in case you didn't see.

 

[iWanchek]

Well, there's your problem. Why don't you try it out stock first, without aids, then slowly work your way up?



What exactly do you mean? Obviously a controller has a different feel compared to a wheel. There's no way they would ever feel the same.

I don't know if You play gt6 with controller, or better say Honda Wieder full tune on the Nurb, if no-try it. Just trying to explain that y'all advices ar solid, but, for example everyone is saying"drive without any aids", when I do that, I'm just spining in the exits if the corners but y'all on wheel don't spin even if y'all have all aids off b'koz u have better feeling on the throttle where u can preside control the powder in the corner and not mention that u have biggest radius for turning etc... Overall, with steering wheel is better to drive/and better lap times can be done

 

[Mat123]

I don't know if You play gt6 with controller, or better say Honda Wieder full tune on the Nurb, if no-try it. Just trying to explain that y'all advices ar solid, but, for example everyone is saying"drive without any aids", when I do that, I'm just spining in the exits if the corners but y'all on wheel don't spin even if y'all have all aids off b'koz u have better feeling on the throttle where u can preside control the powder in the corner and not mention that u have biggest radius for turning etc... Overall, with steering wheel is better to drive/and better lap times can be done

I play (well, played, since I don't go back to GT6 any more.) with a controller.

You spin on exits because you're probably putting too much power where you shouldn't. Don't floor it all the time on exits. Sometimes, it's faster to put less amount of power. Even wheel users can have this problem.

And yes, I play with aids off.

 

[86Debris86]

Then why don't you slowly move up? Start with lower horsepower, until you get a feel for it, then slowly increase power, while refining the setup.

I think his signature has something to do with it.

@iWanchek Over 800bhp is a handful without driver aids huh? Well, yeah! You'd need to be incredibly careful with throttle application in a car that powerful. I'm not surprised you're spinning the wheels up. Traction control would be where I'd start if and when I couldn't be sensitive enough with the throttle.

Overall, with steering wheel is better to drive/and better lap times can be done

Disagree. It is perhaps easier to produce quicker times with a wheel and pedals (it is, after all, how you drive an actual car), but not beyond the realms of reality to go as quick with a controller. This has been discussed various times on GTP and someone always ends up showing something like a league's TT with a fastest time set by a DS3 user, beating wheel users in the process.

 

[iWanchek]

I think his signature has something to do with it.

@iWanchek Over 800bhp is a handful without driver aids huh? Well, yeah! You'd need to be incredibly careful with throttle application in a car that powerful. I'm not surprised you're spinning the wheels up. Traction control would be where I'd start if and when I couldn't be sensitive enough with the throttle.


Disagree. It is perhaps easier to produce quicker times with a wheel and pedals (it is, after all, how you drive an actual car), but not beyond the realms of reality to go as quick with a controller. This has been discussed various times on GTP and someone always ends up showing something like a league's TT with a fastest time set by a DS3 user, beating wheel users in the process.

I've watcher lately the TT time, the current is the electric car, time around 1.01....best time 57sec's with wheel, I've seen like top20 all on wheels so I didn't watch more it was enought for me

But, the gt6 as a game is all about time (TT for example) or if ure testing ure car offline (time trail), you said it now tho.....

I'm strungling hard to complete my 5:55.5 on the Nurb but some dude on a wheel matches me over 10 seconds!!

I wrote already, maybe with a god setup I can shave another Saxons but 10, well c, I'll try something else editing the day then I'll see how the car handles etc...

 

[Gr8888T]

i dont think a wheel makes you much faster, cause there are really really fast ds3 users obviously. most of the people on the leaderboards having a wheel is a by-product of good players wanting a more immersive set up, its a more realistic experience.

does a racing seat make you faster? probably not, but i bet a lot of the top players also have a racing seat compared to the casual players.

 

[iWanchek]

i dont think a wheel makes you much faster, cause there are really really fast ds3 users obviously. most of the people on the leaderboards having a wheel is a by-product of good players wanting a more immersive set up, its a more realistic experience.

does a racing seat make you faster? probably not, but i bet a lot of the top players also have a racing seat compared to the casual players.

Didn't SA that every who OSS a swheel is immediately faster then any player who plays in a controller. They r out there a ds3 player who rock big time, but overall with a wheel, if u know how to drive u can put really fast times around a track not to mention that ure car control is much better.

Don't get me wrong here ppl,
I'm not judging is Something like that, just a wanna hear you're thought about this one and some advice on wheel/cotroller.

Nothing more nothing less. I'm not a professional or so, but if I'm in a certain level, as I'm right now, then I'll see where and how can I improve my self, and as the intro of this threat says it all...

 

[CBH]

skill is the key here when your using a DS3 or a wheel.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Everything what u said my friend stays, but, keep in mind that with all aids off the car is undriveble. Just try for ure self. Buy you're self a honda Weider Raybirg, tune it to the maximum, here on gtplanet u have some few set ups and give it a try. Firs drive with all aids off exept ASM and the SRF then go all off and then u'll see what am I talking about.

I'll gladly take y'all advices I really do, but unless u try it by you're self, then u can't know the difference between controller and wheel.

I've found some cars that are harder to drive than others but nothing yet that's undriveable without aids. No offense, but the reason you find it undriveable without aids is because you are usually drive with aids, which self corrects all the little mistakes you make while driving. Take the aids off, put the car back to stock with RH tires, and work your way up. I made the same transition myself at the beginning of GT5 and so can you.

 

[johnnyking]

For those of you who spent enough time on both DS3 and wheel (with no aids), do you feel you are faster with wheel?

I mostly play with DS3 and I think I can only go 80% as fast with wheel. I remember in the older GT that people with controller were faster and they commented "controller is faster because the distance of the steering is much shorter with the stick, ie counter steer and ie reaction much faster". I personally can't imagine how to turn with wheel for RedBull on tight tracks.

But yes of course, it's more fun to play with wheel.

 

[Dusty1990]

So, what y'all think ppl, what is better, faster??

For example, I'm driving my Honda Wieder Raybirg on the Nordschleife, did 5:55.522 on PS3 controller, I've seen another dudes who did 5:45 easy, and I know that they r driving on a wheel, but are wheels 10 sec's faster or am I lacking of skill?!

My aids are off except the ASM and sometimes the SRF (skid recovery force), if I turn off those two assists, the car is undriveble. Slides, over/understeer, wheel spin out off the corners etc...undriveble on controller!!

I've solid setup, attack hard the track, but it seems that I'm limited on a controller, limited of precision and controlling the car.
I know that I with maybe better setup cans has max second and a half max, but 10?!

So, what y'all thinking, can
controller do the same times as the wheel drivers or?!
Looking the TT online, almost everyone is on wheels so my assumption is that the drivers who are using steering wheel quicker then players on a controllers, and have better feeling and control of
The car. I can understand that someone is quicker then me on a controller 4/5sec's but 10, no way!!

Theres a few (and its literally a FEW) who are equally as quick with a controller on certain tracks, I'm pretty convinced its 'easier' with a wheel, its certainly possible to brake better/more consistently ABS off using a wheel and pedals.

Last time I looked on the FT-1 TT there wasn't a controller user inside the top 50, surely that says something?

 

[iWanchek]

Theres a few (and its literally a FEW) who are equally as quick with a controller on certain tracks, I'm pretty convinced its 'easier' with a wheel, its certainly possible to brake better/more consistently ABS off using a wheel and pedals.

Last time I looked on the FT-1 TT there wasn't a controller user inside the top 50, surely that says something?

That's what I'm i talking about. On certain tracks wheel/controller can be equal, but here on Nurb I don't think so. If u feel the car, car turn precise, brake, accelerate precise them the time at the and must be better.ittle mistake u done in the Nurb can cost you at the end much....

I've found some cars that are harder to drive than others but nothing yet that's undriveable without aids. No offense, but the reason you find it undriveable without aids is because you are usually drive with aids, which self corrects all the little mistakes you make while driving. Take the aids off, put the car back to stock with RH tires, and work your way up. I made the same transition myself at the beginning of GT5 and so can you.

Driving the car for a long time with SRF and ASM I know how the car feels, handles and now without it I know exactly how it feel, on a controller-undriveble. Try it by ure self and see if u can match ure best time!!

With all aids off I. A wheel I'm sure everyone will agree with me that the time can be improved. B'koz you have all the thinks that you don't have on a one controller. Feeling, precession, controling the car...at the end, u get throught the whole Nurb constant drive, hiting the apexes maximal hard and fast....

As I say, everyone should try on a ds3 to drive this car on this track with all axis off and try to beat my 5:55.522 time with is respectable but it can be improved.

 

[et_]

@iWanchek : I have'nt driven with a controller the last 6 months, and its 2 years since I used it seriously, but I took a Raybrig HSV-010 fully tuned to the ring and tried it. I turned ALL aids off ecept SRF and ABS to 1.

I have to give you credit, because the car was alot harder to drive than I thought, it handles any bumps in the road like a bouncing ball! It took about 20 minutes before I got a lap somewhat mistake-free and ended up with 5:49.9.

Now, I can see how ASM can make you faster here because of the way the car behaves, but turning it off will still be faster in the end. Also, I did'nt change any settings, only fiddled with the gearbox a bit. So a good setup should make the car easier to drive...

At this track with this car, I'll probably be more than 10 sec faster with a wheel, but I'm not sure you'll be, since you are used to a controller.

 

[iWanchek]

@iWanchek : I have'nt driven with a controller the last 6 months, and its 2 years since I used it seriously, but I took a Raybrig HSV-010 fully tuned to the ring and tried it. I turned ALL aids off ecept SRF and ABS to 1.

I have to give you credit, because the car was alot harder to drive than I thought, it handles any bumps in the road like a bouncing ball! It took about 20 minutes before I got a lap somewhat mistake-free and ended up with 5:49.9.

Now, I can see how ASM can make you faster here because of the way the car behaves, but turning it off will still be faster in the end. Also, I did'nt change any settings, only fiddled with the gearbox a bit. So a good setup should make the car easier to drive...

At this track with this car, I'll probably be more than 10 sec faster with a wheel, but I'm not sure you'll be, since you are used to a controller.

Great time tho!! I'll give it a try today, have some SETI up to try and some things so, hope I can improve myself.
EDIT:

I've tried some setups, and this current one makes the handling to sensitive in a high speed corners, sliding as always is on the menue, only need to find the right hight for the car and the stiffness of the suspension, b'koz everything I tried ended me spinig around. And, let me say so raw, stock set up or raw one-the same more ore less. So, wha tuning set ups and all the stuff when they have little effect in the car?! Why buying a steering wheel when the ds3 controller is faster as the wheel?!

 

[Johnnypenso]

Driving the car for a long time with SRF and ASM I know how the car feels, handles and now without it I know exactly how it feel, on a controller-undriveble. Try it by ure self and see if u can match ure best time!!

With all aids off I. A wheel I'm sure everyone will agree with me that the time can be improved. B'koz you have all the thinks that you don't have on a one controller. Feeling, precession, controling the car...at the end, u get throught the whole Nurb constant drive, hiting the apexes maximal hard and fast....

As I say, everyone should try on a ds3 to drive this car on this track with all axis off and try to beat my 5:55.522 time with is respectable but it can be improved.

Other than for drifting, I haven't used a controller on a driving game since GT4 so it would be pointless for me to try. I probably couldn't get a Vitz around the track with any pace.

 

[cjr3559]

For those of you who spent enough time on both DS3 and wheel (with no aids), do you feel you are faster with wheel?

I mostly play with DS3 and I think I can only go 80% as fast with wheel. I remember in the older GT that people with controller were faster and they commented "controller is faster because the distance of the steering is much shorter with the stick, ie counter steer and ie reaction much faster". I personally can't imagine how to turn with wheel for RedBull on tight tracks.

But yes of course, it's more fun to play with wheel.

My thoughts exactly.

I was definitely faster with the DS using chase cam/aids/everything equipped with RS, versus using a wheel with cockpit view/no aids/stock tires. No doubt about it. But I'll never go back to the DS. Ever. :-)

 

[Polsixe]

Driving the car for a long time with SRF and ASM I know how the car feels, handles and now without it I know exactly how it feel, on a controller-undriveble. Try it by ure self and see if u can match ure best time!!

With all aids off I. A wheel I'm sure everyone will agree with me that the time can be improved. B'koz you have all the thinks that you don't have on a one controller. Feeling, precession, controling the car...at the end, u get throught the whole Nurb constant drive, hiting the apexes maximal hard and fast....

As I say, everyone should try on a ds3 to drive this car on this track with all axis off and try to beat my 5:55.522 time with is respectable but it can be improved.

That is a good time, I use DS3 default buttons, ASM off, SRF on, ABS 1, TCS 1 for all cars and can do 7:03 in the Gt500 pp600class. I know I am slow in the section between Karoussel and the Dottinger straight, too many blown TT laps there so too cautious.

 

[rosckolove]

@iWanchek I Ran some laps on the Controller, with just ABS set at 1.

Lap 1:
6:05.659

Lap 2:
5:57.610

Lap 3:
5:55.876

Lap 4:
5:52.335

2 restarts

Lap 5:
5:49.875

Judging by how much I have been up on my ghost or gained after some mistakes I'm pretty confident I could hit at least a 5:45. So if you practice enough you can best Meesbakers time on a DS3 with just ABS. Good luck.

 

[iWanchek]

That is a good time, I use DS3 default buttons, ASM off, SRF on, ABS 1, TCS 1 for all cars and can do 7:03 in the Gt500 pp600class. I know I am slow in the section between Karoussel and the Dottinger straight, too many blown TT laps there so too cautious.

I just improved my self to 5:553.310! Screwed mini Carusel but can be better.

Just I don't have the secure that I'm driving a safe car in the corners, specialy on low speed corners you've to be amazingly tender and nice to the thorottle!