PS3 controller vs steering wheel

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So, what y'all think ppl, what is better, faster??

For example, I'm driving my Honda Wieder Raybirg on the Nordschleife, did 5:55.522 on PS3 controller, I've seen another dudes who did 5:45 easy, and I know that they r driving on a wheel, but are wheels 10 sec's faster or am I lacking of skill?!

My aids are off except the ASM and sometimes the SRF (skid recovery force), if I turn off those two assists, the car is undriveble. Slides, over/understeer, wheel spin out off the corners etc...undriveble on controller!!

I've solid setup, attack hard the track, but it seems that I'm limited on a controller, limited of precision and controlling the car.
I know that I with maybe better setup cans has max second and a half max, but 10?!

So, what y'all thinking, can
controller do the same times as the wheel drivers or?!
Looking the TT online, almost everyone is on wheels so my assumption is that the drivers who are using steering wheel quicker then players on a controllers, and have better feeling and control of
The car. I can understand that someone is quicker then me on a controller 4/5sec's but 10, no way!!


Whats the exact car you're using? Tyres and HP?

I've just run the Raybrig HSV-010'12 with 836hp on racing soft and have done a 5:59, without any aids. 5-10 seconds more with enough laps and a tune.

Driven alot worse without SRF.
 
Whats the exact car you're using? Tyres and HP?

I've just run the Raybrig HSV-010'12 with 836hp on racing soft and have done a 5:59, without any aids. 5-10 seconds more with enough laps and a tune.

Driven alot worse without SRF.

Honda Wieder Raybirg as yourse! Tyres are Racing soft, 650pp (full tune with oil change is 656 I think).

I did today 5:53,310, all aids off, only TC1 and skid recovery force.
 
Switch your controls to what I told you and turn SRF off.. Then drive until you get a clean lap. Let us know what you get.
 
Switch your controls to what I told you and turn SRF off.. Then drive until you get a clean lap. Let us know what you get.

I'll do maybe today and then we'll see what happens!

Thats impressive without srf 👍

I don't wanna say that it's impossible, but, what bothers me here that, he said that he didn't use the ds3 for a like long time and in 20min put that time on a board, witch is to me bit strange. It can't be that easy in my opinion, b'koz, I drive this track every damn day, found some Section where can I improve my self so I did, from 5:55.522 to 5:53.310, I was on the edge, on mini Carusel I screw a little bit, I left there 0.500 I'm sure on that, but, not using ds3 for a long time, and put 5:49, . I wanna see video of that ride or something like that.

The point ist here that, when u drive this car witch is darn nervous, ist to try not to drift!! Kombination of ASM and SRF do the exactly this job, preventing ure car to slide, so, it's "easier" to control the car, but, let's say turning off the SRF or ASM u loose those features and ure just sliding, sliding and sliding.

So, keep the car on the"ground", keep good, clean line, sometimes"slower in faster out" works here, b'koz, Thers No aids to keep u stable, but overall, 4.5 seconds I'm behind that dude who did that time in 20min seem to me unrealistic add on that that he drove a stock (no changes on suspension, sow office etc etc) Weider Raybirg and I a solid setup with more downforce, suspension etc...and he kills me
With a Stock car 4.5 second?!
 
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I don't wanna say that it's impossible, but, what bothers me here that, he said that he didn't use the ds3 for a like long time and in 20min put that time on a board, witch is to me bit strange. It can't be that easy in my opinion, b'koz, I drive this track every damn day, found some Section where can I improve my self so I did, from 5:55.522 to 5:53.310, I was on the edge, on mini Carusel I screw a little bit, I left there 0.500 I'm sure on that, but, not using ds3 for a long time, and put 5:49, . I wanna see video of that ride or something like that.

The point ist here that, when u drive this car witch is darn nervous, ist to try not to drift!! Kombination of ASM and SRF do the exactly this job, preventing ure car to slide, so, it's "easier" to control the car, but, let's say turning off the SRF or ASM u loose those features and ure just sliding, sliding and sliding.

So, keep the car on the"ground", keep good, clean line, sometimes"slower in faster out" works here, b'koz, Thers No aids to keep u stable, but overall, 4.5 seconds I'm behind that dude who did that time in 20min seem to me unrealistic add on that that he drove a stock (no changes on suspension, sow office etc etc) Weider Raybirg and I a solid setup with more downforce, suspension etc...and he kills me
With a Stock car 4.5 second?!


Don't think he did that in a stock setup/tune car.

I thought I was decent at the ring without SRF but that guys blown me outa the water, would take me a thousand laps to do a 5:49 lol
 
It wasn't stock I softened the suspension up and was only running 550 rear downforce, low LSD setting ect. I find cars like this easier to drive on the Controller than the wheel because they are so erratic.
 
It wasn't stock I softened the suspension up and was only running 550 rear downforce, low LSD setting ect. I find cars like this easier to drive on the Controller than the wheel because they are so erratic.

I didn't say about you, user @et_ (on a first page) drove that way.

I've to find the right hight of the car for this tack and the softness and I'll be ready....!
 
@iWanchek : It was stock setup. only thing I changed was the top speed of the gearbox and added full downforce.
however it was fully tuned, i.e. turbo and engine upgrade stage 3.
 
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@iWanchek : It was stock setup. only thing I changed was the top speed of the gearbox and added full downforce.
however it was fully tuned, i.e. turbo and engine upgrade stage 3.

Ok no problem, I was just telling roscolove that, he thought that I was referring to his drive with stock car. ✌️
 
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I've just tried with only ABS 1 and TCS 1, fully tuned (except oil change, too lazy to do that :D )
Got 6:15 after two laps with DS3 (after like years since the last time I used it) then I switched to my usual DFGT wheel, got 6:11 right away..
But IMO, the wheel can give you much smoother racing lines, but not always faster.. I think if I practice enough, I could go faster using DS3 >.<
 
I don't wanna say that it's impossible, but, what bothers me here that, he said that he didn't use the ds3 for a like long time and in 20min put that time on a board, witch is to me bit strange. It can't be that easy in my opinion, b'koz, I drive this track every damn day, found some Section where can I improve my self so I did, from 5:55.522 to 5:53.310, I was on the edge, on mini Carusel I screw a little bit, I left there 0.500 I'm sure on that, but, not using ds3 for a long time, and put 5:49, . I wanna see video of that ride or something like that.

The point ist here that, when u drive this car witch is darn nervous, ist to try not to drift!! Kombination of ASM and SRF do the exactly this job, preventing ure car to slide, so, it's "easier" to control the car, but, let's say turning off the SRF or ASM u loose those features and ure just sliding, sliding and sliding.

So, keep the car on the"ground", keep good, clean line, sometimes"slower in faster out" works here, b'koz, Thers No aids to keep u stable, but overall, 4.5 seconds I'm behind that dude who did that time in 20min seem to me unrealistic add on that that he drove a stock (no changes on suspension, sow office etc etc) Weider Raybirg and I a solid setup with more downforce, suspension etc...and he kills me
With a Stock car 4.5 second?!
Unless you're competing at the top of the Seasonal TT's, most people have no idea (no offense) what the true limits of driving and different cars are in GT6. If you really want to learn the 'Ring, I suggest taking some stock rides out and comparing yourself to the times posted here:

GT6 Nürburgring Lap time board

Compare yourself to any of the times from GTP_Stotty or Mike_gt3 if you really want a true test of your skills. These guys are top pilots that can come close to the limits of a car within just a couple of laps and if you can come within a second or two of their times, you can truly say you know the 'Ring. This will tell you how much your skillset is holding you back. I learned a lot comparing my times to mike_gt3 in GT5 and watching and studying his replays.:cheers:
 
Driving with aids on is always going to be a problem. Considering you said that the car is "undriveable" without them, I may suggest that you need to just practice driving.
 
Unless you're competing at the top of the Seasonal TT's, most people have no idea (no offense) what the true limits of driving and different cars are in GT6. If you really want to learn the 'Ring, I suggest taking some stock rides out and comparing yourself to the times posted here:

GT6 Nürburgring Lap time board

Compare yourself to any of the times from GTP_Stotty or Mike_gt3 if you really want a true test of your skills. These guys are top pilots that can come close to the limits of a car within just a couple of laps and if you can come within a second or two of their times, you can truly say you know the 'Ring. This will tell you how much your skillset is holding you back. I learned a lot comparing my times to mike_gt3 in GT5 and watching and studying his replays.:cheers:

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Time 5:53.310 is time, seeing the leaderboard in the"top"5 this time. Soooo, I've like 10 seconds to improve my self, with the right set up Maybe I can do that.

Well see

Driving with aids on is always going to be a problem. Considering you said that the car is "undriveable" without them, I may suggest that you need to just practice driving.

Yes sir I say that, "undriveble" in my opinion. High speed section is not problem at all, but slow section, where u need to accelerate hard, it's undriveble! Try it out and see by you're self

Hmmm, gonna' have to try this 5:55 with your Honda, seems like a fantastic time to me.

I improve myself to 5:53.310...it is a good time! Can be better but improving bit racing line it should be ok, just, I'm searching solid set up be make the car more stable and not nervous!
 
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Yes sir I say that, "undriveble" in my opinion. High speed section is not problem at all, but slow section, where u need to accelerate hard, it's undriveble! Try it out and see by you're self
I use a DS3, so do many of the fastest in the world. It's not hard to drive at all.

Also, please don't double/triple post.
 
I use a DS3, so do many of the fastest in the world. It's not hard to drive at all.

Also, please don't double/triple post.

If u look TT times, everyone is driving with wheel, sooooo, most of them r driving wheel but those who drive on ds3 r great drivers.

I can say that I'm not on the top, avarage if u see the whole picture, but I'm here talking only this car/this track!
 
If u look TT times, everyone is driving with wheel, sooooo, most of them r driving wheel but those who drive on ds3 r great drivers.

I can say that I'm not on the top, avarage if u see the whole picture, but I'm here talking only this car/this track!
Well I can drive it fine, and so can a ton of others...

And 2nd fastest in the world in the RX7 TT has a DS3.
 
Well I can drive it fine, and so can a ton of others...

And 2nd fastest in the world in the RX7 TT has a DS3.

Dunno of what's track, event, but I've seen the TT with the electric race car on a mountain track, top 50 or more r on wheels so far I can saw few days ago. Top10 is driving 57 seconds and I'm on 1.00.9Xx, sooo three seconds difference
 
Dunno of what's track, event, but I've seen the TT with the electric race car on a mountain track, top 50 or more r on wheels so far I can saw few days ago. Top10 is driving 57 seconds and I'm on 1.00.9Xx, sooo three seconds difference
Have you ever thought it comes down to your own talent, not just what you use? You claimed yourself that you were an "average" driver, so don't you think the 3 second difference lies there?
 
Have you ever thought it comes down to your own talent, not just what you use? You claimed yourself that you were an "average" driver, so don't you think the 3 second difference lies there?

For now they're 3sec's, maybe I'll attack the track few times and try to improve...but overall I'm avarage....
 
My
Time 5:53.310 is time, seeing the leaderboard in the"top"5 this time. Soooo, I've like 10 seconds to improve my self, with the right set up Maybe I can do that.

Well see
I meant to take some stock (untuned) cars and compare your times to the best times on the board from people I know are approaching the limits of the machine like this:

06:49.523 - McLaren F1 '94 (mike_gt3)
06:55.447 - Mines BNR34 Skyline GT-R N1 base '06 (GTP_Stotty)
07:35.161 - Honda NSX-R Concept '01 (GTP_Stotty)

The time you're looking at is from someone I'm not familiar with so I have no idea how close he came to the limits of the car.

05:43.869 - Honda Raybrig HSV-010 '12 (Meesbaker)
 
I ran that McLaren into the 48's it just wasn't updated yet. I'm gonna put it at the top of the whole production list when I get some time. I think it's faster than the MP4. Meesbaker is pretty close to the limit of the car.
 
A wheel brings a better experience. More realistic in comparison. DS3 I feel arcadish and the wheel brings it closer to Sim.
 
I meant to take some stock (untuned) cars and compare your times to the best times on the board from people I know are approaching the limits of the machine like this:

06:49.523 - McLaren F1 '94 (mike_gt3)
06:55.447 - Mines BNR34 Skyline GT-R N1 base '06 (GTP_Stotty)
07:35.161 - Honda NSX-R Concept '01 (GTP_Stotty)

The time you're looking at is from someone I'm not familiar with so I have no idea how close he came to the limits of the car.

05:43.869 - Honda Raybrig HSV-010 '12 (Meesbaker)

Obviously this shows only thing: stock car is faster then "optimized"one. I'm not beginner here I know how stock car feels and tuned one...and all those cars on a list r tuned and with good setup sooo....
 
Obviously this shows only thing: stock car is faster then "optimized"one. I'm not beginner here I know how stock car feels and tuned one...and all those cars on a list r tuned and with good setup sooo....
You've lost me. There are 4 lists. The first is stock production cars. Change the oil and drive, no adjustments can be done to the car.

2nd list is stock racing/non-production. Again, oil change only.

3rd list is the open category. Do whatever you like to the car.

4th and subsequent lists (only 1 so far) is tuned to specific PP levels with no tuning limits but on fixed tire compounds. 450SH, 500SM etc.

I'm suggesting you try out some of the better stock cars and measure yourself against some of the better drivers so you know where you skillset is. If you're 10 seconds slower than one of them, then you know where your deficit is, not in tuning, but in driving. If you can match or beat their times, then you know you have equal skills and if you end up 10 seconds short somewhere else like in your GT500 car, you know the deficit is in the tuning. Follow me?

Mike is a Ringmaster, one of the best, period. When he takes a car around the 'Ring and puts everything into it, he sets the benchmark. He's not unbeatable, but you can bet he's very, very close to the limits of the car and so he's a good one to measure against.
 
User et_ said so...he drove the Raybirg on the ring fully tuned but didn't touch the set up, that's what I mean by"stock" :)
Yea... I know what stock means. But you said that the stock car is faster than the optimized one?
 
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