PS3 controller vs steering wheel

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Johnnypenso
You've lost me. There are 4 lists. The first is stock production cars. Change the oil and drive, no adjustments can be done to the car.

2nd list is stock racing/non-production. Again, oil change only.

3rd list is the open category. Do whatever you like to the car.

4th and subsequent lists (only 1 so far) is tuned to specific PP levels with no tuning limits but on fixed tire compounds. 450SH, 500SM etc.

I'm suggesting you try out some of the better stock cars and measure yourself against some of the better drivers so you know where you skillset is. If you're 10 seconds slower than one of them, then you know where your deficit is, not in tuning, but in driving. If you can match or beat their times, then you know you have equal skills and if you end up 10 seconds short somewhere else like in your GT500 car, you know the deficit is in the tuning. Follow me?

Mike is a Ringmaster, one of the best, period. When he takes a car around the 'Ring and puts everything into it, he sets the benchmark. He's not unbeatable, but you can bet he's very, very close to the limits of the car and so he's a good one to measure against.
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I got you! I'll try it when I find some time. But now, I'll stick to this one for a while. Need try something out
 
TexasTyme214
They should be the same speed. It's just easier to be fast and precise with a wheel.
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Let's say so, on a Nurb the wheel got advantage but on other tracks (exept Sarth) the wheel/ds3 are more/less equal! But yes, easy to handle and easy to drive a car around any track on a wheel-yes sir!
 
The wheel does not have an advantage. How many times do we need to say this. I tried your car. It's your driving that is the problem (and the buttons you use)
 
rosckolove
The wheel does not have an advantage. How many times do we need to say this. I tried your car. It's your driving that is the problem (and the buttons you use)
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Sooooo why are you driving on a wheel all the time not on a ds3 controller?
 
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iWanchek
Sooooo why are you driving on a wheel all the time not on a ds3 controller?
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Because it's more fun and if I ever get it the top 32 of GTAcademy on a controller I would be decimated when they eliminate it down to 16 with further in game racing done on the wheel. Also, it's cool. The wheel is only worth a couple tenths. It's worth a little more around the ring but I wouldn't put it over a second (if that). Also, I have told you this before. All the laps you have been talking about and have seen posted here on GTPlanet, CAN be done on a controller. None of them are at the limit like the online time trials are. There are many mistake in all of them so those couple extra tenths don't even matter. No one is running
close I to the edge for it to matter if you are on a controller or not. Listen your 15 seconds slow because of YOU, not because your on a controller.
 
iWanchek
Only 9?! :)
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Yup only 9. Most people at the top of the leaderboards are fairly serious sim pilots, not casual players, and most of them will invest in the game far beyond the console and disc and so they most often end up on wheels. If you had a wheel you'd know why. Playing with a controller makes it a video game. Playing with a wheel actually feels like driving, it's a completely different and far more immersive experience. Once you get to a certain level of competence (speed) with this or any other driving sim, the wheel is a natural progression.

Someone who is well versed in this is @doodlemonoply . He was a regular top 10 TT guy with a DS3 and then switched to a wheel. Perhaps he'll wander in and help us out:lol:
 
If you can train your fingers to the necessary precision there is very little difference with the DS3 versus any wheel. @Spud_Skills uses a DS3 and was a national finalist for GTA2011. @doodlemonoply used to top the leaderboards with a DS3 as well. It's not what you use but how you use it.

As has been said, repeatedly, it's most likely a skill gap between you and where you want to be. No need to be defensive about it, that's just how it is with the level of some of the folks around here. Driving with the aids has likely given you some bad habits that you will need to force yourself out of if you want to be fast without them. The same is true if you were switching from a DS3 to a wheel. With rare exception you will always be slower until you learn to be comfortable with the differences.

It's not a light switch. There is a learning curve and if you want to be fast you need to put in the effort to refine your skill.
 
GT4 was my first Gran Turismo.
I played with controller exactly six monts and then bought steering wheel.
let's say that suddenly all steering wheels in the world disappeared and I have to go back to controller.
I will stop playing but I will not go back to controller!
 
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I used to have a wheel in gt5 for a little bit and I can say wheel is way faster at least on the ring 24 hour track on the ring at 500pp ss tyres based on this class with me driving I was 5 to 7 seconds faster in the same car then on pad and I'll tell you why this is.
1 wheel turn in is faster
2 wheel the front wheels have a better turning axis meaning you can corner faster as the wheel actually turn in more.
3 Better braking control

The only ways that a control user can really get closer to a wheel user is to do this.

1 Start using ether analogue stick to brake and accelerate or what I use is the r2 and l2 to brake and accelerate as you get better control of your breaking and speed well at least closer to the pedals on a wheel.

2 Up your control sensitively in the options menu as this will give you faster turn in closer to a wheel therefore better line and higher cornering speed.

3 Don't use same cars use tuned cars your at a more massive disadvantage in a same make no tuning race with a good quality wheel user as they have a turning axis advantage so they can actually turn the car more and get better corner speed and use there turn in advantage same cars even race um no.At least with a tuned car you can tune more to your driving style you will always stand more of a chance in a tuned car.

4 Don't give a wheel user too much time to qualify as they generally need more time to get a feel of a car and to tune then a control user.

It's simple look at the world time trials I ask you this how many control users have finished number 1 at the end of a time trial I don't think 1 or very few now how many wheel user have got a number 1 in a time trial exactly.

Wheel is more fun and is faster that's why everyone users them that's why they get number 1 times.

Wheel is harder to learn but once mastered it's better way better.

Ps if you get top 100 times in a world time trials on ds3 your quick for a control user.
 
GTP IWIN
wheel turn in is faster
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No, it isn't, it's extremely easy to go from lock to lock with a controller in a fraction of a second if sensitivity is set high.

GTP IWIN
wheel the front wheels have a better turning axis meaning you can corner faster as the wheel actually turn in more.
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Again no, for most corners turning all the way with the controller is slower because it just scrubs speed due to overturning the front wheels, try turning less. Most of the time the extra turning on a wheel isn't even a consideration, and it rarely gives an advantage.

GTP IWIN
Don't give a wheel user too much time to qualify as they generally need more time to get a feel of a car and to tune then a control user.
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:lol:

GTP IWIN
Wheel is harder to learn but once mastered it's better way better.
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If you mean faster by better, only if you don't have the capacity to use a controller correctly... although I agree that a wheel is a lot more fun.
 
@GTP IWIN I really can't agree that it's worth 5-7 seconds. I would say 1.5 seconds around the ring if that. I think the main benefit of the wheel is throttle and braking control. And the only reason the time trials don't have many Controller guys up there Is because everyone ends up buying a wheel once they reach a certain level.
 
rosckolove
@GTP IWIN I really can't agree that it's worth 5-7 seconds. I would say 1.5 seconds around the ring if that. I think the main benefit of the wheel is throttle and braking control. And the only reason the time trials don't have many Controller guys up there Is because everyone ends up buying a wheel once they reach a certain level.
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I realise everyone is different but for me it's a huge difference Day mate which is why I said

I can say wheel is way faster at least on the ring 24 hour track on the ring at 500pp ss tyres (based on this class with me driving) I was 5 to 7 seconds faster in the same car then on pad.

And also Day I can already tell just from racing you on wheel at 500pp ss tyre your at least 4 seconds faster on the ring then when you were on pad.

So yes on a smaller track 1.5 seconds to 1 second is about right.
 
I didn't get any faster. I was only able to match my previous lap records. I'm sure I could do what I do now on the pad. I have never gotten close to my best DS3 TT results on the wheel. And I hope you don't get that much faster when you get your g27. Or I'm in trouble. On a smaller track it's only worth a tenth. 1.5 seconds around the ring maybe. Look at immortals time (wheel)
and samurai' time (pad) in round 2 of GT Academy. You personally may be faster but I doubt it's by 5 Seconds. The rx7 times we were running in gt5 were pretty close to the limit. If you gain 5 Seconds on the pace you had in gt5 I will be pissing in the wind trying to keep up.
 
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rosckolove
I didn't get any faster. I was only able to match my previous lap records. I'm sure I could do what I do now on the pad. I have never gotten close to my best DS3 TT results on the wheel. And I hope you don't get that much faster when you get your g27. Or I'm in trouble. On a smaller track it's only worth a tenth. 1.5 seconds around the ring maybe. Look at immortals time (wheel)
and samurai' time (pad) in round 2 of GT Academy. You personally may be faster but I doubt it's by 5 Seconds. The rx7 times we were running in gt5 were pretty close to the limit. If you gain 5 Seconds on the pace you had in gt5 I will be pissing in the wind trying to keep up.
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Yes well when we race you have more pace now in your rx7 then me in mine on wheel now but yes both of us on pad were very close which is why I like racing you.

And samurai is fast but does not get number 1 times his but yes there is some that can get good times but I wonder how many laps it would take him to get those times I bet a lot cause samurai is more of a hot lapper then a racer.

And I promise you I'm at least 5 seconds faster on a wheel at the ring on ss tyres at 500pp but with a mortgage now and bills $350 which a g27 costs is alot for me at the moment anyway will get one soon.
 
How long have you been playing gt6? It took me quite a while to get up to speed. I have a feeling you are no where near your limit yet.
 
I figured. Everyone we race with ended up with the same pace as in GT5 comparatively. It took me a while to be able to do what I did in GT5. Now that we are all up to speed and close to our skill limit my gaps aren't any bigger than they were in GT5 on the pad. I'm sure you will find many many seconds (8:48's is the target) in the next few weeks. And I'm sure you will be contesting my winning streaks soon enough. However I get what you are saying.... If you get a wheel and leave me in the dust I'm quitting :)
 
rosckolove
I figured. Everyone we race with ended up with the same pace as in GT5 comparatively. It took me a while to be able to do what I did in GT5. Now that we are all up to speed and close to our skill limit my gaps aren't any bigger than they were in GT5 on the pad. I'm sure you will find many many seconds (8:48's is the target) in the next few weeks. And I'm sure you will be contesting my winning streaks soon enough. However I get what you are saying.... If you get a wheel and leave me in the dust I'm quitting :)
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Well I don't get the time I used to have on gt5 so it's harder to get used too gt6 but lets see how we go 848 in rx7 will be very hard to get but lets see what happens when I get more time on the game if I can get that on pad would be great.
 
I used the Ferrari GTO '84 for that. No idea what the RX7 runs as I only recently started paying attention to lap times (when you showed up again) you will get ungodly faster as time passes. The physics are way different and the nurburgring really amplifies that fact so jumping right in won't work . I have watched Dan Holland go off track about 6 times in one lap :)
 
I am still pleased with my pace with only 1 week on gt6 running low 850's in a rx7 500pp ss tyre is still going to beat most racers online in this class but yes I need more experience in gt6.

Yes Dan is at the moment I would say overall is the quickest aussie we have but he is more of a hot lapper now then a racer.
 
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How the hell can I drive the redbull x on this ds3??!!!????

Holly molly!!!
 
GTP IWIN
I am still pleased with my pace with only 1 week on gt6 running low 850's in a rx7 500pp ss tyre is still going to beat most racers online in this class but yes I need more experience in gt6.

Yes Dan is at the moment I would say overall is the quickest aussie we have but he is more of a hot lapper now then a racer.
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If "quickest Aussie" means "quickest in the world"..yeah, you're probably right:lol:
 
TexasTyme214
They should be the same speed. It's just easier to be fast and precise with a wheel.
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Got to beg to differ. Wheel is faster. You can get on the throttle earlier, you can feel the front and rear wash out on you, can actually modulated power slides and throttle lift over steer, and braking is no contest. People use abs and tc with wheels, because they have a hard time feeling where the tires will break loose...people who put the aides on with controllers are doing it so they can play the game. You couldn't play gt6 and have fun with many cars with no aides and a controller.

If GT6 was not a console sim/game, no one would use a controller. At the same time, a lot less people would buy it, which is why they include ASM and SRF. So everyone can play without wanting to pull their hair out/return the game/bitch even more than usual at PD.

Anyone who is "good" at GT6 with a controller is good at video games and you've got great reaction time/muscle memory...but it is not driving. You may as well be controlling a snowboarder or skiiier down a hill or flying a plane around obsitcles, being that you're merely navigating an object on the screen with a joy stick. Whether it has wheels on it or not, doesn't matter with a game pad. Not trying to make anyone feel bad...trying to get you to buy a wheel ;)
 
332i
snip...people who put the aides on with controllers are doing it so they can play the game. You couldn't play gt6 and have fun with many cars with no aides and a controller.

If GT6 was not a console sim/game, no one would use a controller. At the same time, a lot less people would buy it, which is why they include ASM and SRF. So everyone can play without wanting to pull their hair out/return the game/bitch even more than usual at PD.

Anyone who is "good" at GT6 with a controller is good at video games and you've got great reaction time/muscle memory...but it is not driving. You may as well be controlling a snowboarder or skiiier down a hill or flying a plane around obsitcles, being that you're merely navigating an object on the screen with a joy stick. Whether it has wheels on it or not, doesn't matter with a game pad. Not trying to make anyone feel bad...trying to get you to buy a wheel ;)
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I am on a controller and never use any aids since GT5. My replicas and tunes can also be enjoyed on a wheel, so I disagree with you on the bolded part.

Especially the last one, I also have extensive experience with wheel controller - I used to have Thrustmaster wheel on PC sims - GP Legends, Geoff Crammond GP 3 and 4, NR2003 etc. I won all races - GP mode SEGA Ferrari 355 Challenge Int Ed with H shifter + clutch, the wheel on that sim is the best I have ever played, very realistic pedals, shifter, clutch that slip like real car, force feedback that make Logitech and Fanatec feels like a kiddie toy :lol: I never use any aids on the F355 - no TC, no ABS. Braking with no ABS was the most fun and involving than any console racing sim I ever played.

So, it's not only about the input device, there are alien level driver on a stick controller that often post top times at leaderboard, and they are also just as quick if not quicker on a wheel, ask @Doodle :P
 
It depends on who you ask, some guys aren't comfortable using a DS3 and are better with a wheel, for me I didn't have a choice for a while and became quite proficient with a DS3. I've been using a wheel for about a month and a half now, and I'm almost as fast as I was when using a DS3, baring in mind I can't play the game religiously like I used to so it took some time.

I'd say with practice it's easy to be more accurate with a wheel, but then again your at the Nordschleife. Even when you think you've peaked it's usually possible to go faster around a given circuit, and around Nurb you can find so much time here and there. After 2 or 3 laps you can usually go around 10-15 seconds quicker than you first lap, so just keep on going and I'm sure you definitely improve on it.
 
Like I said, whether the wheel feels like xyz to you or not, using a ds3 renders you merely controlling an objecting through obstacles in reality. It doesn't feel like driving at all. I don't understand wanting to use a controller over a steering wheel with any of the GTs. It's a driving game lol wut.
 
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