PS3 controller vs steering wheel

[Cb]

So, what y'all think ppl, what is better, faster??

I was using the Stick for a long time doing the time trials and online racing.
It was possible to be competitive with the stick in GT5, but I don't know about GT6 because of the new handling.
In the GT academy (GT5) time trial some japanese dude was less than 1 tenth behind the fastest time in the whole world.

I bought the G27 and it was a whole new game, I started doing ABS 0 racing and low grip racing, which is very fun and gave me some good skills.

But Don't rush into buying a wheel, because you will need something to place it on, like a gaming seat or some fancy homemade stuff. Trust me.
But if you enjoy the game and want to open a new world I would say get a wheel

 

[TexasTyme214]

Got to beg to differ. Wheel is faster. You can get on the throttle earlier, you can feel the front and rear wash out on you, can actually modulated power slides and throttle lift over steer, and braking is no contest. People use abs and tc with wheels, because they have a hard time feeling where the tires will break loose...people who put the aides on with controllers are doing it so they can play the game. You couldn't play gt6 and have fun with many cars with no aides and a controller.

If GT6 was not a console sim/game, no one would use a controller. At the same time, a lot less people would buy it, which is why they include ASM and SRF. So everyone can play without wanting to pull their hair out/return the game/bitch even more than usual at PD.

You can get on the gas earlier because it's easier to place a car precisely in turns with a wheel. You can do the same with a controller, but it is more difficult. There are some extremely fast drivers that use a controller, so you can't easily say a wheel is faster. You can say it's easier to be fast with a wheel (as I said) because of the fastest times, most of them are wheel drivers. I own a wheel and a controller, but since I don't enjoy this game with a wheel, I just use my controller (without assists, including ABS @ 0). I'm not going to say that I'm a fast with a controller, but I have yet to hear anyone call me slow.

 

[Jump_Ace]

Yes Dan is at the moment I would say overall is the quickest aussie we have but he is more of a hot lapper now then a racer.

If there's a rally event in the mix too, he'll crush everyone still. Hotlapping isn't much different than racing, just a different mindset; don't over push the car and make a mistake. I'm sure he'd do fine as a 'racer' too.


Jerome

 

[Azure Flare]

In GT5 in the Honda HSV-010, I could lap Fuji in around 1:39.xxx, in GT6 on a wheel, I am getting low 1:38s. I even switched back to the DS3 and could never touch 1:38.

 

[iWanchek]

Got to beg to differ. Wheel is faster. You can get on the throttle earlier, you can feel the front and rear wash out on you, can actually modulated power slides and throttle lift over steer, and braking is no contest. People use abs and tc with wheels, because they have a hard time feeling where the tires will break loose...people who put the aides on with controllers are doing it so they can play the game. You couldn't play gt6 and have fun with many cars with no aides and a controller.

If GT6 was not a console sim/game, no one would use a controller. At the same time, a lot less people would buy it, which is why they include ASM and SRF. So everyone can play without wanting to pull their hair out/return the game/bitch even more than usual at PD.

Anyone who is "good" at GT6 with a controller is good at video games and you've got great reaction time/muscle memory...but it is not driving. You may as well be controlling a snowboarder or skiiier down a hill or flying a plane around obsitcles, being that you're merely navigating an object on the screen with a joy stick. Whether it has wheels on it or not, doesn't matter with a game pad. Not trying to make anyone feel bad...trying to get you to buy a wheel

Other would Say"you have lack of skill" my Friend!!

In the intro of this thread if I'm not wrong, I mention the honda Wieder on Nordschleife, that with wheel is faster 7/8 seconds then the time on ds3 player even tho u know the track but with the ds3 u can't squize the full potential of te car.

Generaly ds3 (controller) vs wheel is that the wheel is better, more precise, better handling/controling the car, and on tt"a or sessional events, gt academy ppl drive with wheel and it's hard to drive any car without all aids off which on a wheel is not the case.

Controller is ok, you can be quick but bit as on wheel.

 

[mistersafeway]

It comes down to the driver, and that's the truth. Unless you're both into or very close to "alien" territory, or you aren't a gamer (which begs the question why you don't have a wheel), there's no way using a controller is causing you to lose. Why are you so unwilling to accept that you have to learn more to win? A wheel may speed up improvement, or make it happen if you've reached your limit with a controller, but a wheel doesn't instantly mean you'll improve. It took me six months of heavy driving to get consistently as fast as I was with a controller (only two to get occasionally faster), and I'm not an unusual case. Some people never get faster by having a wheel.

And I'm going to agree with what @Ridox2JZGTE says on the subject of assists, I can drive acceptably and have fun with all assists off using a plain old DS3 (with the inferior configuration of X and Square for accelerate and brake, no less ), and unlike him, I suck with a controller.

 

[rosckolove]

The Dunning Krueger effect. I think he falls into the first one.

 

[iWanchek]

It comes down to the driver, and that's the truth. Unless you're both into or very close to "alien" territory, or you aren't a gamer (which begs the question why you don't have a wheel), there's no way using a controller is causing you to lose. Why are you so unwilling to accept that you have to learn more to win? A wheel may speed up improvement, or make it happen if you've reached your limit with a controller, but a wheel doesn't instantly mean you'll improve. It took me six months of heavy driving to get consistently as fast as I was with a controller (only two to get occasionally faster), and I'm not an unusual case. Some people never get faster by having a wheel.

And I'm going to agree with what @Ridox2JZGTE says on the subject of assists, I can drive acceptably and have fun with all assists off using a plain old DS3 (with the inferior configuration of X and Square for accelerate and brake, no less ), and unlike him, I suck with a controller.

Who said that a wheel makes a player instantly better?!? And other question is, why are 95% of GT drivers using a wheel?!

If you look all TTs, GT academy, Sesional events....top 100 are mostly are wheel drivers and other with 3/4 secs behind-ds3 players.

I think that on a wheel is easier to drive a powerful car with no aids which on a cotroller is much harder which at the end cost you time.

And tell me please who can drive on a controller honda Wieder 650pp time 5:42!!!!????
Who??

Exactly, NO ONE!

 

[mistersafeway]

Who said that a wheel makes a player instantly better?!? And other question is, why are 95% of GT drivers using a wheel?!

If you look all TTs, GT academy, Sesional events....top 100 are mostly are wheel drivers and other with 3/4 secs behind-ds3 players.

I think that on a wheel is easier to drive a powerful car with no aids which on a cotroller is much harder which at the end cost you time.

And tell me please who can drive on a controller honda Wieder 650pp time 5:42!!!!????
Who??

Exactly, NO ONE!

No one in your opinion, there are plenty of people who could, especially with SRF which you said you use. You constantly stating that it's impossible doesn't make it so. And maybe you should notice that nobody thinks it's not easier on a wheel, we've all been saying that it's possible on a controller, big difference.

 

[iWanchek]

No one in your opinion, there are plenty of people who could, especially with SRF which you said you use. You constantly stating that it's impossible doesn't make it so. And maybe you should notice that nobody thinks it's not easier on a wheel, we've all been saying that it's possible on a controller, big difference.

So again, why Are 95 off the GT community uses a wheel instead of an controller?! You're theory says that you can be equally quick as other on wheel?! I said NO! Look the time on tts, Sesional events, GT academy....

And human logic is simple, if, as you say u can be quick on a controller like
The wheel drivers so why buying 200$ wheel then??!?!

And again...find me someone who can drive on a controller 5:42 the Nurb with Honda Wieder Raybirg, 650pp... Simple ist that.

 

[mistersafeway]

I'm done discussing this with you for now, you're so far in denial of yourself being slower than others that it's pathetic. Do you see me saying 'not fair, his wheel is better and actually works'? No, because I accept my shortcomings. 👎

 

[jobyone]

So again, why Are 95 off the GT community uses a wheel instead of an controller?!

Because it is a driving game and using a wheel makes it feel more like driving! You could play baseball with a ping pong ball but using a baseball would make it more like baseball.

edit - Also if you are so convinced it is the wheel that is making you slow then just go buy one. That way you may find you are right and that you are faster with a wheel. Of course you may find it makes no difference.

 

[Chris123]

Who said that a wheel makes a player instantly better?!? And other question is, why are 95% of GT drivers using a wheel?!

If you look all TTs, GT academy, Sesional events....top 100 are mostly are wheel drivers and other with 3/4 secs behind-ds3 players.

I think that on a wheel is easier to drive a powerful car with no aids which on a cotroller is much harder which at the end cost you time.

And tell me please who can drive on a controller honda Wieder 650pp time 5:42!!!!????
Who??

Exactly, NO ONE!

The very top player's are mostly wheel user's, but then again these guy's are the best of the best. Unless your a top 100 player yourself I wouldn't compare myself to those guy's. Generally it really does depend on the driver. So far I'm beating the best guy on my friend's list that uses a wheel on the GT academy event's by a few tenths in each trial except for the first one. I know this guy is really good so it gives me a little bit of pride to beat him, but out of all my friends there's this one guy who is still beating me by around a second on each one. The fact is he uses a controller, make him use a wheel and it would probably be a different story but that's how it is.

The way I see it is this. If you put in the time and effort, you will probably be faster using a wheel than using a DS3, but it isn't always the case. The most important thing to think about is this. Whether or not your faster with a wheel or a controller is meaningless compared to the fact that this is a driving game, therefore you should really be using a wheel regardless. It's not about which one is faster but rather the fact that your having a good experience of the game, and in my opinion a wheel is infinitely more satisfying and enjoyable to play with whether your faster or not. Just something to think about.

 

[drivatar]

And other question is, why are 95% of GT drivers using a wheel?!

If you look all TTs, GT academy, Sesional events....top 100 are mostly are wheel drivers and other with 3/4 secs behind-ds3 players.

The top of the leaderboards doesn't represent how people play GT.
I don't know the numbers but it's more likely 95% don't use a wheel.

 

[Johnnypenso]

Who said that a wheel makes a player instantly better?!? And other question is, why are 95% of GT drivers using a wheel?!

If you look all TTs, GT academy, Sesional events....top 100 are mostly are wheel drivers and other with 3/4 secs behind-ds3 players.

About 25% of TT participants, the only people we have statistics for, use a wheel...raw stats are here:
http://www.mygranturismo.net/rankings.php?sec=3

So 95% is incorrect and a gross exaggeration.

The top 100 are mostly wheel drivers but there are routinely 10-20 DS3 users in the top 100. I believe you are right though...the overall outright gap is probably in the neighbourhood of 3/4 to 1 second, wheel to DS3, on a track of standard size, depending on the car/tires etc.

As I mentioned earlier, try some of the Nurb TT cars and compare your times to the top pilots like Stotty and mikegt3. That will tell you how far you are off the potential of the car in question on the full Nurb and you can assume about 5 seconds of that is the outright potential of the DS3 vs. the wheel. The rest is your skill gap.

 

[MatskiMonk]

Who said that a wheel makes a player instantly better?!? And other question is, why are 95% of GT drivers using a wheel?!

If you look all TTs, GT academy, Sesional events....top 100 are mostly are wheel drivers and other with 3/4 secs behind-ds3 players.

I think that on a wheel is easier to drive a powerful car with no aids which on a cotroller is much harder which at the end cost you time.

And tell me please who can drive on a controller honda Wieder 650pp time 5:42!!!!????
Who??

Exactly, NO ONE!

I spent £500 on a Thrustmaster wheel and I am slower than on a controller. I use it because it's a more fun experience. I used to think like you, but I put my money where my mouth is and bought a wheel, I now admit how wrong I was.

 

[iWanchek]

I spent £500 on a Thrustmaster wheel and I am slower than on a controller. I use it because it's a more fun experience. I used to think like you, but I put my money where my mouth is and bought a wheel, I now admit how wrong I was.

Lack off skill, don't blame the wheel m8.

For Others on this topic;

On online they're over 60% that use the wheel other like 40% are ppl like My self that can't Buy a wheel or doesn't need one(like me), on tts, SE, GT academy, more less every one is on wheel, and I'm wondering why?!?

Online game, all SE, GT academy are mostly driven on wheel and that's some kinda direction and show us that few % are on controllers, and other few that are "aliens" and other rest group are behind 3/4/5/6....seconds!

Generaly speaking all top players are on wheel, and put a top player on wheel and top player"alien"on controller and y'all see which one will be faster.

And again, I'll repeat myself, can some one give me a proof that a"alien"can do 5:42 on ds3 on Nurb with Honda Wieder Raybirg!!

 

[MatskiMonk]

Lack off skill, don't blame the wheel m8.

Lack of practice mate ... I spent 15 years playing GT with a controller... when I started, I don't think analogue sticks even existed for steering! I've had the wheel for 6 months, it is totally different. If I were just chasing times, I'd default back to the Six Axis, but I'm not, I'm actually trying to get some pleasure from the game.. and a decent FFB wheel and proper pedals do that.

For Others on this topic;

On online they're over 60% that use the wheel other like 40% are ppl like My self that can't Buy a wheel or doesn't need one(like me), on tts, SE, GT academy, more less every one is on wheel, and I'm wondering why?!?

Online game, all SE, GT academy are mostly driven on wheel and that's some kinda direction and show us that few % are on controllers, and other few that are "aliens" and other rest group are behind 3/4/5/6....seconds!

Generaly speaking all top players are on wheel, and put a top player on wheel and top player"alien"on controller and y'all see which one will be faster.

And again, I'll repeat myself, can some one give me a proof that a"alien"can do 5:42 on ds3 on Nurb with Honda Wieder Raybirg!!

You seem to think wheel = fast, it doesn't. Skilled = fast. Practice = fast. Commitment to the game = fast. It just so happens that people who have skill, that practice alot, and are committed to the game, also like to play with a wheel. Some of the top UK guys on GTA have real life experience racing.. do you think they prefer using a wheel or a controller?

GT compensates a lot for controllers, this is evident if you look at the steering angle traces for ham-fisted controller users and average wheel users.

I will agree that in theory a wheel appears to be better, but in practice... well, you buy one and see.... (oh wait, I forgot, you doesn't need one).

 

[Johnnypenso]

Lack off skill, don't blame the wheel m8.

For Others on this topic;

On online they're over 60% that use the wheel other like 40% are ppl like My self that can't Buy a wheel or doesn't need one(like me), on tts, SE, GT academy, more less every one is on wheel, and I'm wondering why?!?

Online game, all SE, GT academy are mostly driven on wheel and that's some kinda direction and show us that few % are on controllers, and other few that are "aliens" and other rest group are behind 3/4/5/6....seconds!

Generaly speaking all top players are on wheel, and put a top player on wheel and top player"alien"on controller and y'all see which one will be faster.

And again, I'll repeat myself, can some one give me a proof that a"alien"can do 5:42 on ds3 on Nurb with Honda Wieder Raybirg!!

As I've said many times already:

About 25% of TT participants, the only people we have statistics for, use a wheel...raw stats are here:
http://www.mygranturismo.net/rankings.php?sec=3

If you are basing your case on a faulty premise, you might want to reconsider your position. If you continue to deny these facts, we can only assume you are trolling and not willing to listen to anyone but yourself.

 

[pyrates]

Oh we are doing this again? How fun.

 

[BMWcrazy]

I played through 90% of the game using a controller, but I still much prefer my G25 wheel for the more challenging events like seasonal time trials and GT Academy.

As for the drift trials, those are definitely much easier with the controller.

 

[xiando]

Better? A wheel. The PS3 controller is a fraudulent driving control. Wheels are not. Faster? Statistically speaking, the wheel is far faster. Run the numbers on any time trial or other competitions and you'll find that almost without exception, wheel-users dominate the top tiers (yes, there are exceptions., but that's all they are). Easier? More Gamer-ey? The 6-axis controller of course.

 

[RACECAR]

Out of curiosity iWanchek-1, how do you have your throttle and Brakes setup? Do you use X and Square, The Joysticks or the triggers (L2 and R2)? As I fellow DS3 user, I wanted to see if I could help out with your issue.

 

[iWanchek]

Lack of practice mate ... I spent 15 years playing GT with a controller... when I started, I don't think analogue sticks even existed for steering! I've had the wheel for 6 months, it is totally different. If I were just chasing times, I'd default back to the Six Axis, but I'm not, I'm actually trying to get some pleasure from the game.. and a decent FFB wheel and proper pedals do that.



You seem to think wheel = fast, it doesn't. Skilled = fast. Practice = fast. Commitment to the game = fast. It just so happens that people who have skill, that practice alot, and are committed to the game, also like to play with a wheel. Some of the top UK guys on GTA have real life experience racing.. do you think they prefer using a wheel or a controller?

GT compensates a lot for controllers, this is evident if you look at the steering angle traces for ham-fisted controller users and average wheel users.

I will agree that in theory a wheel appears to be better, but in practice... well, you buy one and see.... (oh wait, I forgot, you doesn't need one).

I play GT since the force came out on firs ps console. Most of that time I was on controller but one when I was on wheel it's just amazingly easy. And I didn't needed like 6 months to adjust in it, on few days I set in GT5 a spec with F1 on Suzuka 3rd time in the world in wheel soooo that's say something.

Yes, I think wheel=fast etc.... If u get used on wheel and use the full potential then you're times gonna be fast.
Practice YES, but if you drive like 3000km on Nurburgring Nordschliefe and you know the track in and out, and when ther's no room to improve the time and I call that"limit."

For me the transition from controller to wheel was easy and I wasn't hard to understand the wheel or the car that I drove on GT5!

@Johnnypenso when I click on that link GT5 stats come out. So I don't know how can those stats be relevant?! I will listen but the facts are here and you can't deny that. Again, grab you're controller and prove that I'm wrong and that I have big lack off skill. Easy is that...

Better? A wheel. The PS3 controller is a fraudulent driving control. Wheels are not. Faster? Statistically speaking, the wheel is far faster. Run the numbers on any time trial or other competitions and you'll find that almost without exception, wheel-users dominate the top tiers (yes, there are exceptions., but that's all they are). Easier? More Gamer-ey? The 6-axis controller of course.

That's my opinion and those are facts. Simple

Out of curiosity iWanchek-1, how do you have your throttle and Brakes setup? Do you use X and Square, The Joysticks or the triggers (L2 and R2)? As I fellow DS3 user, I wanted to see if I could help out with your issue.

My controller setup is"stock". I was trying to set the throttle on R2 brake R2 etc but it's hard to get used on it tbh. Specialy when I try to shift gears X-Up- Square Down.
I'm on standard controller setup from the first GT so its hard to et the right feel for the new one!

 

[MatskiMonk]

I'm on standard controller setup from the first GT so its hard to et the right feel for the new one!

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were suggesting it was easy to adjust to a new type of controller after 15 years.

 

[Bo]

This is going the same way as last time...

The absolute bottom line in this is that skill is the way to being fast, not fancy equipment. You seem to believe @iWanchek that you've hit the limit in your skill, and by chucking money at the issue you'll become a lot faster. You're still using blatantly false information in order to try and prove your argument, and it still makes no sense.

 

[iWanchek]

This is going the same way as last time...

The absolute bottom line in this is that skill is the way to being fast, not fancy equipment. You seem to believe @iWanchek that you've hit the limit in your skill, and by chucking money at the issue you'll become a lot faster. You're still using blatantly false information in order to try and prove your argument, and it still makes no sense.

I know that I hit the limit on Nordschlife with Wieder Raybirg, not on other tracks or with other cars!

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were suggesting it was easy to adjust to a new type of controller after 15 years.

Everything ok, it's just an misunderstanding ✌️

 

[Bo]

I know that I hit the limit on Nordschlife with Wieder Raybirg, not on other tracks or with other cars!

If you're not the fastest in the world by a fair margin on a DS3, you aren't anywhere near the limits of the car.

 

[Ninners]

Controllers can be just as fast as wheels users...I mean look at @CRANK_U1. He was a tenth off the fastest driver in the second round of GT Academy.

Switching to a wheel isn't the most straightforward of transitions either. It took me about 2-3 months to even drive a high power car thanks to me struggling on the brakes and on RWD cars. I spent the first 2 weeks on the wheel driving on Nissan March because that's what I could handle before moving to harder cars which moved around a lot and were harder to slow down but also note that back then I didn't tune cars like I do now.

However things like drifting are a lot easier on controller because the wheel has FFB which means it's harder to correct huge snaps of oversteer. But if you're good enough(unlike me) it's just fine.

 

[mistersafeway]

I play GT since the force came out on firs ps console. Most of that time I was on controller but one when I was on wheel it's just amazingly easy. And I didn't needed like 6 months to adjust in it, on few days I set in GT5 a spec with F1 on Suzuka 3rd time in the world in wheel soooo that's say something.

Yes, I think wheel=fast etc.... If u get used on wheel and use the full potential then you're times gonna be fast.
Practice YES, but if you drive like 3000km on Nurburgring Nordschliefe and you know the track in and out, and when ther's no room to improve the time and I call that"limit."

For me the transition from controller to wheel was easy and I wasn't hard to understand the wheel or the car that I drove on GT5!

@Johnnypenso when I click on that link GT5 stats come out. So I don't know how can those stats be relevant?! I will listen but the facts are here and you can't deny that. Again, grab you're controller and prove that I'm wrong and that I have big lack off skill. Easy is that...



That's my opinion and those are facts. Simple


My controller setup is"stock". I was trying to set the throttle on R2 brake R2 etc but it's hard to get used on it tbh. Specialy when I try to shift gears X-Up- Square Down.
I'm on standard controller setup from the first GT so its hard to et the right feel for the new one!

I don't remember there being an F1 TT at Suzuka...