PS3 release date and price answer!!

[Solid Lifters]

Hey amar! Quick comments

First off, I really find it hard to believe, unless MS doesn't do well with the 360 (which it is doing well) that Sony is going to give them any more of a lead than they already have.

You have to understand, that with the PS3, sony is fighting two different battles, and in two different races. In one hand you have the console race, and sony will have to play catchup and make some mony.

In the other hand, you have Blu-Ray, and Sony NEEDS to get this out as soon as possible, no if's and's or buts. They need to beat HD-DVD to the market, and that is what they will aim for.

With that said, I am calling a Japanese release of the PS3 in March/April time frame with a price tag of $399 or higher, and a US release of the PS3 in Oct/Nov with a price tag of $399 flat. At latest though, Sony will release the JPN PS3 in Oct/Nov along side the US release, with Europe following after in March/Apr of 2007.


Second comment KK did not say that the games will run at 120fps as a standard, as this would be rediculous, because no TV can display it He did, however, say that the PS3 was capable of such, and as newer technology becomes available, he is glad to say that the PS3 will support it in every way. I really doubt, however, that any game will have a frame rate of 120fps as a standard. It's just possible, marketing at it's best

No, Sony doesn't want to release Blu-ray asap. I strongly believe that Toshiba and they have come up with some sort of agreement. Yes, there are signs of this happening.

Notice, Sony have cancelled the BD release date media event in Japan, until further notice (it was going to be in late Nov.). Second, MS have not stated that the HD-DVD is their main driver for the XBox360. They're waiting on what Toshiba and Sony plan to agree on. Third, movie studios have agreed to not release movies on either the BD or HD-DVD media until Sony and Toshiba come to some sort of agreement about coming out with a BD/HD-DVD compatible driver. They're refusing to support seperate drivers at this time, despite showing past interest in coming out with high-def movies for both drivers. I admit, that was just a rumor. But, it all fits into to place.

I smell something cooking, here. It's just one, of several, reason why Sony would delay the release of the PS3. Another would be the lack of HDTV technology with today's HDTV sets to display a 1080p 120FPS picture. It seems the PS3 has too much technology, and not enough. Another is the rumor about the PS3 overheating. That was a problem with the PSOne, and so they fixed it, so they thought, with the PS2. Apparently, having a ventilation system as large as the PS2 has created a new problem with DREs when dust clogs up the laser lens and driver mechanisms.

Again, nothing is fact, but it all swirls into a plausable excuse Sony is going to delay the release of the PS3.

 

[crimson_menace]

Hmmm....
me thinks a new hdtv might be required for decent play on the ps3, tho i just purchaced a new flat tube/screen 27" like 2 months ago. man it's gonna cost me an arm and a leg for the ps3 setup a plan to get.
hopefully it's gonna be hd compatible instead of hd required...

 

[tha_con]

No, Sony doesn't want to release Blu-ray asap. I strongly believe that Toshiba and they have come up with some sort of agreement. Yes, there are signs of this happening.

Notice, Sony have cancelled the BD release date media event in Japan, until further notice (it was going to be in late Nov.). Second, MS have not stated that the HD-DVD is their main driver for the XBox360. They're waiting on what Toshiba and Sony plan to agree on. Third, movie studios have agreed to not release movies on either the BD or HD-DVD media until Sony and Toshiba come to some sort of agreement about coming out with a BD/HD-DVD compatible driver. They're refusing to support seperate drivers at this time, despite showing past interest in coming out with high-def movies for both drivers. I admit, that was just a rumor. But, it all fits into to place.

I smell something cooking, here. It's just one, of several, reason why Sony would delay the release of the PS3. Another would be the lack of HDTV technology with today's HDTV sets to display a 1080p 120FPS picture. It seems the PS3 has too much technology, and not enough. Another is the rumor about the PS3 overheating. That was a problem with the PSOne, and so they fixed it, so they thought, with the PS2. Apparently, having a ventilation system as large as the PS2 has created a new problem with DREs when dust clogs up the laser lens and driver mechanisms.

Again, nothing is fact, but it all swirls into a plausable excuse Sony is going to delay the release of the PS3.

Sony and Toshiba have ended talks, there are no more possibilities for a joint format, this happend months ago.

Also, the delay will not happen, I don't know where you guy's are getting all of this invalid information, but it's rediculous to an extent.

Liek with the "rumor" that the PS3 is overheating. Tell me how a rumor stems from a system that has not been shown anywhere in the world publicly? I'll tell you how.

J. Allard.

The man talked about the PS3 "not having any vents" and clearly you can see many in concept pictures. There is no problem, and the "rumor" is bogus.

Also, MS has made it very clear that they will not Support Blu-Ray, they will *try* to support a next generation media format, however it will be purley for content playback, and no games will ever see any next gen media format, all will be on standard DVD, which is also reason to believe HD-DVD will see an early demise.

And there is a huge difference between being capable and having a standard

1080p = Capability
120fps = Capability
Gigabit Ethernet = Capability
BD-Rom - Capability

None of those features are standard, and the PS3 is entirely backwards compatible with current technology, and past technology, while making headway for future technology.

A delay will not happen, 2007 is unlikely IMO. If anything Japan and US will both see Fall '06 together, but I even find that hard to believe.

MS pumped out Xbox 360's in a matter of two months...so why is it so hard to believe that sony cannot do the same for one or two regions? This is rediculous.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Sony and Toshiba have ended talks, there are no more possibilities for a joint format, this happend months ago.

Ridiculous or not, it's all still very plausible.

I'm well aware of the Toshiba/Sony meeting, and in fact I was the one who reported it. It didn't go well, that is understood. But, now, the 'Movie Makers' are putting their play into the mix. That is, "If we can't have one final media driver, or two seperate that are compatible to each other so we can make just one disc to run in both machines, then we wont come out with new high-def movies period!"

Toshiba and Sony are far from not talking to each other.

EDIT: Oh, the rumors about the PS3 overheating was just another internet rumor, started from people close to those game developers who recieved the mock-up PS3s to develope their games on. Apparently, some have been overheating and have needed repairs from Sony.

 

[tha_con]

No, talks have ended, and there will be no joint format. Toshiba is too stubborn in their ways, the only reason they wish to establish HD-DVD is for patent rights and royalties.

August 23, 2005

Two groups of Japanese major electronics companies have abandoned unifying their standards for next-generation DVDs, industry sources said Tuesday.

A group led by Toshiba Corp. and the other comprising of Sony Corp. and Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co., among other firms, have failed to reach agreement on the standards for their larger-capacity, next-generation DVDs.

As a result, DVD systems with two incompatible standards will coexist, like VHS and Beta systems for videotape recorders, which will inconvenience consumers.

In late February, Toshiba, which prefers the HD-DVD standard, and Sony and Matsu****a, which are in favor of the Blue-Ray Disc standard, began negotiations on a single standard for their next-generation DVDs.

At one point, they agreed in principle to work out a third DVD standard by combining the advantages of both systems. However, the talks came to a standstill in mid-May after they failed to narrow their differences over expenses and the gap between Hollywood film production companies over the standards.

The group backing the HD-DVD standard that includes Sanyo Electric Co. and NEC Corp. is set to hand over devices used to transform movie films into DVDs to film producers in Hollywood in September.

Companies backing the Blue-Ray Disc standard, including Sharp Corp., have stepped up production of next-generation DVDs such as trial operations of their production lines.

Film production firms in Hollywood are also split over standards for next-generation DVDs. Warner, Paramount and Universal back the HD-DVD standard while Disney, MGM, Sony Pictures and 20th Century Fox have sided with the Blue-Ray Disc system. (Mainichi)

I can source many other articles, but it's not necessary. Blu-Ray is entirely too different from HD-DVD, and Toshiba will not lose their patent rights and their cash cow from a unified standard, hence, it will not happen, ever.

And the Movie Industry has a different stance than what you are portraying. They are more or less afraid of investment in one standard, seeing as how things are so quick to change. Their main concern was that Blu-Ray would be to expensive, and that they user base would not be there, etc. But all of that has been laid to rest.

Most companies are not supporting a "one or none" standpoint, more over, they are supporting both. What this means is, until a standard is met, it is highly possible we will see some films on both formats. But more than likely, Blu-Ray will take an early lead, and Toshiba will withdraw from the race going into 2008.

Also, Samsung, among other companies, has announced players that will be capable of playing both formats.

Also, the "rumor" is still false, and who ever "started it" did just that. More than likely they know no one in the industry, and have the desire to create fire, so they create stories. But as of now, not one developer has said anything about any problems with hardware. I even have friends who work with Insomnia Studio's in Cali that I went to College with who say thier experience thus far with the hardware has been both challenging and satisfying. Though I don't get to speak to them much, nor about much, they do tell me certain things, and hardware difficulties have yet to be one of them.

 

[Solid Lifters]

No, talks have ended, and there will be no joint format. Toshiba is too stubborn in their ways, the only reason they wish to establish HD-DVD is for patent rights and royalties.



I can source many other articles, but it's not necessary. Blu-Ray is entirely too different from HD-DVD, and Toshiba will not lose their patent rights and their cash cow from a unified standard, hence, it will not happen, ever.

And the Movie Industry has a different stance than what you are portraying. They are more or less afraid of investment in one standard, seeing as how things are so quick to change. Their main concern was that Blu-Ray would be to expensive, and that they user base would not be there, etc. But all of that has been laid to rest.

Most companies are not supporting a "one or none" standpoint, more over, they are supporting both. What this means is, until a standard is met, it is highly possible we will see some films on both formats. But more than likely, Blu-Ray will take an early lead, and Toshiba will withdraw from the race going into 2008.

Also, Samsung, among other companies, has announced players that will be capable of playing both formats.

Also, the "rumor" is still false, and who ever "started it" did just that. More than likely they know no one in the industry, and have the desire to create fire, so they create stories. But as of now, not one developer has said anything about any problems with hardware. I even have friends who work with Insomnia Studio's in Cali that I went to College with who say thier experience thus far with the hardware has been both challenging and satisfying. Though I don't get to speak to them much, nor about much, they do tell me certain things, and hardware difficulties have yet to be one of them.

No, talks have NOT ended. They just shifted into some other similar topic. The ability of the movie studios to make a HD-DVD/BD hybrid disc that can be played on either machine, or something similar, yet both companies are holding out. Trust me, this is true. Because they can't get Toshiba and Sony to allow a compatible disc for both systems, the movies studios refuse to release anything on either system. Ask yourself this, why were HD-DVD players and movies, which were supposed to be released late 2005, delayed?

Again, your'e being overly defiant and stubborn, so there's no need to continue this with you.

 

[LaBounti]

I beleive talks have ended and restarted more than once already. But sony can really cash in on bd movies early. There is no rush for bd movies if hd-dvd is in a hiatus.

 

[Solid Lifters]

I beleive talks have ended and restarted more than once already. But sony can really cash in on bd movies early. There is no rush for bd movies if hd-dvd is in a hiatus.

Only on the movies they own. The rest, aren't playing. Again, studios refuse to make two seperate discs for both systems. There's no money in it. That's why Betamax lost the war so long ago, and why Sony purchase the movie studios they did.

 

[Omnis]

Last couple of posts ---> ZOMFG!

I think it'd be plenty possible for third party companies to make combined players, as long as they paid both sides of the rope. I'd think customers would flock to a combined player, so the risk of paying sony and toshiba might just pay off.

 

[a6m5]

I think Sony has the largest collection of studio films in the world, after the recent acquisition of MGM. That gotta give Sony some leverage. I don't think Toshiba camp stand a chance against the Blu-ray. I could be wrong, but I'm guessing they will fall harder than Beta.

On topic: PS3 price seem little high.... I'll probably wait until GT5 is due out, then get the PS(what I did with PS2/GT3). I'll probably get the Nintendo Revolution to hold me off.

I suppose they meant Japan's Spring time, which is later in the year compared to the US Spring time. Their Spring starts mid-early April, and end in early-mid July. So, it's safe to say we wont see the PS3 unil late June. Perhaps Fall, or Winter, of 2006 for the rest of us.

C'mon, Solid Lifters. Everybody knows Spring starts in April, when the cherry blossoms!

 

[Solid Lifters]

Last couple of posts ---> ZOMFG!

I think it'd be plenty possible for third party companies to make combined players, as long as they paid both sides of the rope. I'd think customers would flock to a combined player, so the risk of paying sony and toshiba might just pay off.

A comblined player is highly unlikely. But a combined disc is more than likely. They have discs that are DVD/BD, and they can make discs that are BD/HD-DVD. But, nothing has been agree upon. That's why HD-DVD is delayed. They, the move studios, want to wait and see what happens.

 

[tha_con]

Okay, I don't want to be rude, but you're way off base Solid.

A combined player is ALREADY in production from Samsung. It is to play both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray format discs.

And again, the movie industry is not saying "we won't make anything if there is not one standard". They are saying that they are not going to COMMIT to one standard alone until there is a clear winner. Meaning we won't see Paramount making only HD-DVD's, or only making Blu-Ray movies. They are just going to have to play it safe and decide in the coming months, but it's more than fair to say blu-ray has MORE advantage than HD-DVD right off the bat because of Sony pictures.

 

[amar212]

Nice to see that discussion has become intense.

However, I still stand by my words: PS3 in 2007, 1080p and 120 fps as a standard. Maybe not in the very begging but likely from the 2nd generation of games.

As far as BR vs. HDDVD war goes, the solution is very likely to finish in the BR backyard. As some hard-core HDDVD supporters have recently announced BR support, HDDVD clan is slowly losing it's foundations.

I see that "war" as artificial from the very begginig, mainly because both Toshiba and Sony have the same goal - to sell as much as they can - and they are partners in many fields. Not enemies.

Trough my lens, next-gen DVD was a big commercial problem, due to short time of implemetation needed, as standard DVD wass broadly accepted only few years ago. Brand new format has to come on on small doors, and some kind of mockup was needed. This whole "war" seems like a big mockup to me.

BR can derivate more money for all parties interested, and there lays the whole math. In three years from now nobody will even remember what was obsolite thingie called HD DVD. Everyone will have BR and everyone will be happy.

 

[tha_con]

Nice to see that discussion has become intense.

However, I still stand by my words: PS3 in 2007, 1080p and 120 fps as a standard. Maybe not in the very begging but likely from the 2nd generation of games.

I still don't think it will be a standard by any means, especially not the frame rate.

The problem that arises with that being a "standard" is that the refresh rate required to display 120fps is extremely high, and having that as a standard would automatically alienate much of the PS2 userbase, and the future PS3 user base.

With that said, I just don't see it happening, it would limit game sales, seeing as how it would only be able to display on certain TV's etc.

1080p is a capability, but I do not think it will be a standard by any means. I think, as a minimum, we'll see most if not all games on PS3 supporting 720p, with frame rates of 60fps. Higher end games will support 1080i, while still maintaining 60fps, with few titles, at least initially (first 2 years) supporting 1080p (and more than likely running from 30 to 60 frames per second, but definately not 120).

 

[Solid Lifters]

Okay, I don't want to be rude, but you're way off base Solid.

A combined player is ALREADY in production from Samsung. It is to play both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray format discs.

“...welcome a unified standard, but if this doesn’t come, which looks likely, we’ll bring a unified solution to market.”

You're way off. Read what the quote was. Sony stopped them cold. Sony wont allow, at this time, a BD/HD-DVD device. No such device exists, but they are working on it. The only taks that's at hand is getting Toshiba and Sony to play along with the obvious solution.

 

[code_kev]

1080p is a capability, but I do not think it will be a standard by any means. I think, as a minimum, we'll see most if not all games on PS3 supporting 720p, with frame rates of 60fps. Higher end games will support 1080i, while still maintaining 60fps, with few titles, at least initially (first 2 years) supporting 1080p (and more than likely running from 30 to 60 frames per second, but definately not 120).

Yes.

Alot of people are acting like the PS3 is utterly perfect, and is gonna pump out killzone 2 visuals at 1200000 billion by 200000 billion res, at 9 squillion frames per second, simply because of all the hype on cell. It won't. It WILL be powerful though, but expect most games to run at 60, and some, the more graphically intense ones (as in the ones that look ridiculous), to run at 30.

120 fps = lower graphics quality for no real gain.

I'm now waiting for the "ZOMG KEV!!11! j00 DON7 NOE WHAT THE PS3 KAN D00!11!!"

 

[livemusic]

Bah, I'll just wait and see. I'm still having too much fun with this generation's consoles to worry about the next one.

 

[amar212]

Con and Kev, you're the same person, aren't you? .

It's simple, same as NTSC GT4 - you select the output type and resolution, GPU is doing else for you. I see no problem that HDTV plasmas in 2007 will support 1080p with 120fps trough HDMI output. Twice. Of course, if you have one. If not, it just doesn't matter.

But nevermind. I do not want to sound like fanboy retard, I have sources which tell one thing, you have another oppinion, it's pluralism after all.

Time will tell. Hopefully, this forum will stay untill 2007.

For else, I agree with FatAssBR.

 

[Maven]

Alot of people are acting like the PS3 is utterly perfect, and is gonna pump out killzone 2 visuals at 1200000 billion by 200000 billion res, at 9 squillion frames per second, simply because of all the hype on cell. It won't. It WILL be powerful though, but expect most games to run at 60, and some, the more graphically intense ones (as in the ones that look ridiculous), to run at 30.

Heh, sounds like sour grapes to me...

The statement about 120 fps seems to be a bit confusing and it is most likely a marketing ploy. Just because 120 fps is 'standard' on the PS3 doesn't mean that all, most, or even many games will take advantage of it. I imagine that most games will be locked at 60 fps.

And I think Kev is selling the PS3 short in saying that the most intense games will have to be at 30 fps. We don't even really know exactly what the PS3 is capable of and so setting limitations on it is a bit premature. You're basing your judgements based on the Xbox360 and I have a feeling that the PS3 is going to be a step above that, especially if they take the time until 2007 to develop it further.

Oh, I mean ZOMG! Teh PS3 rulez all!!1!!eleven (That better?)

 

[Dave A]

The PS3 is certainly capable of running very graphically intense games at 60fps, but the fps doesn't make or break a game once it's at or above 30 anyway imo. I have no doubt that the PS3 is more powerful than the XB360, a complete step above it though, I doubt it.

 

[livemusic]

The PS3 is certainly capable of running very graphically intense games at 60fps, but the fps doesn't make or break a game once it's at or above 30 anyway imo. I have no doubt that the PS3 is more powerful than the XB360, a complete step above it though, I doubt it.

It doesn't break a game, but 60fps is much easier on the eyes than 30fps in my opinion. And seeing as a lot of great games with awesome graphics run at 60fps in the current generation, it would be a shame to play 30fps games in the next one.

 

[code_kev]

And I think Kev is selling the PS3 short in saying that the most intense games will have to be at 30 fps.

I never meant that.

I was just pointing out that if you half the frame rate, you can double your detail. Thats all.

 

[tha_con]

“...welcome a unified standard, but if this doesn’t come, which looks likely, we’ll bring a unified solution to market.”

You're way off. Read what the quote was. Sony stopped them cold. Sony wont allow, at this time, a BD/HD-DVD device. No such device exists, but they are working on it. The only taks that's at hand is getting Toshiba and Sony to play along with the obvious solution.

Talks have ceased:
http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.asp?article_id=10388&section=feature&email=

And a device as such WILL exsist:
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000747057581/

Toshiba wants to maintain patent rights, so they don't want to change drastically, more storage space ala blu-ray would require that, hence, they don't want to talk. You can argue all you want, and say I'm being "defiant" etc, but I've been closely watching this, and I am very well informed. I'm not just trying to be a jerk and disagree.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Talks have ceased:
http://biz.gamedaily.com/features.asp?article_id=10388&section=feature&email=

And a device as such WILL exsist:
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000747057581/

Toshiba wants to maintain patent rights, so they don't want to change drastically, more storage space ala blu-ray would require that, hence, they don't want to talk. You can argue all you want, and say I'm being "defiant" etc, but I've been closely watching this, and I am very well informed. I'm not just trying to be a jerk and disagree.

No, what you're doing is beating a dead horse. You can never admit you're wrong can you? You're pathetic.

Listen, the first link was an old post for when the first talks ended. No big news there, since I REPORTED IT MYSELF A LONG TIME AGO! Got that in your head, yet?

Second link. Notice the date? Notice it contains the same quote I posted above? You used the same story I pointed out that is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, yet. Perhaps ever.

Face it, you lost. Get over it; you're not perfect.

Go read the posts at AVS Forum or Sound & Vision Magazine forum. Guys there in the biz will inform you what's going on with this whole BD/HD-DVD disc/driver topic.

 

[tha_con]

No, what you're doing is beating a dead horse. You can never admit you're wrong can you? You're pathetic.

Listen, the first link was an old post for when the first talks ended. No big news there, since I REPORTED IT MYSELF A LONG TIME AGO! Got that in your head, yet?

Second link. Notice the date? Notice it contains the same quote I posted above? You used the same story I pointed out that is NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, yet. Perhaps ever.

Face it, you lost. Get over it; you're not perfect.

Go read the posts at AVS Forum or Sound & Vision Magazine forum. Guys there in the biz will inform you what's going on with this whole BD/HD-DVD disc/driver topic.

Right.

So I point out an article that contains information about the talks ending, when there has been no news of them starting up, and you get personal and call me pathetic. Okay.

You say there will be no unified players that play both formats, yet I show you they are clearly in development, and you call me pathetic.

Then you tell me to go look around and talk to people who, clearly, must be disagreeing with new's and fact, claiming talks are still going on, when they have long since been dead and both companies are persuing their own formats respectively.

I can give you a million reasons why Sony will not give in to Toshiba, but most importantly, they cannot afford it, Blu-Ray will put Sony back on the map, since they are in a HUGE financial bind right now.

But please, continue to insult me and say I lost, when I wasn't competing in the first place.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Right.

So I point out an article that contains information about the talks ending, when there has been no news of them starting up, and you get personal and call me pathetic. Okay.

You say there will be no unified players that play both formats, yet I show you they are clearly in development, and you call me pathetic.

Then you tell me to go look around and talk to people who, clearly, must be disagreeing with new's and fact, claiming talks are still going on, when they have long since been dead and both companies are persuing their own formats respectively.

I can give you a million reasons why Sony will not give in to Toshiba, but most importantly, they cannot afford it, Blu-Ray will put Sony back on the map, since they are in a HUGE financial bind right now.

But please, continue to insult me and say I lost, when I wasn't competing in the first place.

Your proof is pathetic, and I already stated that it once was pertinent. BUT IT"S NOT ANYMORE! Can you grasp that concept for a few seconds, please? Several people who work for these companies come online to discuss the solution that Toshiba and Sony. Saying "It's over; it ain't gonna happen; blah, blah, blah..." is a complete denial of some really intersting actions and statements made in the past few weeks by all that are involved including, Toshiba, Microsoft, Sony, LG, Warner Brothers, etc...

I know you'll have those slow-to-respond reports from websites not that intersted in the strong story of this BD HD-DVD war to quote from, but it's all old info I've said numerous times that is not example of what is really going on at this point in time. Right now are really interesting times, and there are still talks about possible collaboration between Toshiba and Sony with this BD/HD-DVD war, and it's the movies studios pushing this agenda.

So, you're in complete denial, you keep quoting the same crap over and over again, you not once ever excepted even the idea that Sony and Toshiba will need to come to some agreement and a solution to this mess and you can never admit that you're wrong about what's going on RIGHT NOW and that's makes you pathetic.

Please, post more old useless info to make you look correct in all this. Please keep ignoring what's happening right now. You'll be just wasting your time.

 

[tha_con]

What I find extermely amusing Solid, is that you have not ONCE shown me anything to prove to me that talks have EVER restarted. EVER.

I have shown you that MANY people have ALL reported that Sony and Toshiba have abandoned talks, that there will be no unified standard, that proove lies in the fact that companies are making dual players, knowing, KNOWING, that there will not be a unified standard.

How that makes ME pathetic, of all people, is new to me. And if you consider news from late August, a mere two months, as OLD news, without anything new having been said...then you really should relook your strategy debates. Calling me pathetic will not prove you right, and failing to provide me with anything solid, aside from 'these guys on this forum said' as "evidence" to back anything you've said, is definately not going to prove your point.

Why should I, or anyone else for that matter, take anything you have said as solid (no pun intended) when you have given me no reason to believe talks have been reengaged? I have not seen one news source that has said talks have started again, yet you seem to think so?

With sony STILL banking on Blu=Ray for their PS3, a new format that will undoubetly cost them money to produce, you STILL think they would abondon it for "just a console"? NO. They have poured WAY too much money into this technology, as well as Hewlett Packard, etc. Everyone is banking on this right now, and Sony, nor would Blu-Ray supporters, just throw it away just to be used for exclusive console use. If it's not a mainstream standard, it will never see mainstream application. Period. Sony is going to push this, and they will end up crushing HD-DVD because of the PS3, it's as simple as that. Period.

There is nothing "pathetic" about what I have said, save your personal insults for someone else, you're not going to disapprove me or gain credibility with that.

And I'm not the only one pointing out to you that the talks are over:

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000433055818/

http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/25.endtalks.html

http://news.techwhack.com/1938/talks-break-down-between-toshiba-and-sony/

http://consolewar.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143081

I can post many more. But if it's posted by many, what makes you think it's "false"? Or if there isn't news about htem starting again, then what makes you think they have? You're not looking at the whole picture, yet you're calling me stubborn. Sony can't afford to let blu-ray slide, they'll ride it out and make money, they need this to re-establish them as a household name.

 

[KENJIusa]

Halftime....

 

[Solid Lifters]

What I find extermely amusing Solid, is that you have not ONCE shown me anything to prove to me that talks have EVER restarted. EVER.

I have shown you that MANY people have ALL reported that Sony and Toshiba have abandoned talks, that there will be no unified standard, that proove lies in the fact that companies are making dual players, knowing, KNOWING, that there will not be a unified standard.

How that makes ME pathetic, of all people, is new to me. And if you consider news from late August, a mere two months, as OLD news, without anything new having been said...then you really should relook your strategy debates. Calling me pathetic will not prove you right, and failing to provide me with anything solid, aside from 'these guys on this forum said' as "evidence" to back anything you've said, is definately not going to prove your point.

Why should I, or anyone else for that matter, take anything you have said as solid (no pun intended) when you have given me no reason to believe talks have been reengaged? I have not seen one news source that has said talks have started again, yet you seem to think so?

With sony STILL banking on Blu=Ray for their PS3, a new format that will undoubetly cost them money to produce, you STILL think they would abondon it for "just a console"? NO. They have poured WAY too much money into this technology, as well as Hewlett Packard, etc. Everyone is banking on this right now, and Sony, nor would Blu-Ray supporters, just throw it away just to be used for exclusive console use. If it's not a mainstream standard, it will never see mainstream application. Period. Sony is going to push this, and they will end up crushing HD-DVD because of the PS3, it's as simple as that. Period.

There is nothing "pathetic" about what I have said, save your personal insults for someone else, you're not going to disapprove me or gain credibility with that.

And I'm not the only one pointing out to you that the talks are over:

http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000433055818/

http://www.avrev.com/news/0805/25.endtalks.html

http://news.techwhack.com/1938/talks-break-down-between-toshiba-and-sony/

http://consolewar.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3143081

I can post many more. But if it's posted by many, what makes you think it's "false"? Or if there isn't news about htem starting again, then what makes you think they have? You're not looking at the whole picture, yet you're calling me stubborn. Sony can't afford to let blu-ray slide, they'll ride it out and make money, they need this to re-establish them as a household name.

Keep wasting your time on this.

The "Big Picture" is the movies studios making just one disc, either a disc for one media player, or for both. Hell, that's the "Only Picture." That's something you fail to grasp. The fact that you fail to grasp that reality and keep defending only your point of view relentlessly makes you pathetic and stubborn. So, I'm justified in saying so. If you don't like that, then just don't say anything anymore. But, I know you can't. You have too severe of a inferiority complex to let it go.

 

[Omnis]

It's not nice to insult people.


... Seriously, though, argue the argument, don't flame the arguer. You both have points, but the points' utilization is an unknown. There's nothing we can do for practicality's sake (ie, not bickering like disgruntled deli patrons), because that's the job of the companies, including all other 3rd party groups as well..