PS3 release date and price answer!!

KENJIusa
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This is interesting. I agree with Omnis. We should play nice. :) con and solid both are members I rely on for good information, so this "battle of titans" is kinda interesting. :D I'm too lazy to check the facts out for myself, so only time will tell.......
 
Well I'm not trying to play dirty by any means, I'm providing information and sources, and getting insulted for it over and over, for reasons I know not.

I'm just trying to point out what has been reported by everyone, and what all of the analysts are predicting, while Solid has been insulting me and telling me I'm wrong, without providing information to base that on.

But, I guess that's just the way thing's happen...I'll be sure to keep my eye's open for those 'talks' that are still going on...lol.
 
BluRay vs. HDDVD war is a hoax. Read my lips.

Two years ago both Sony and Toshiba knew they will not agree. In years to come they'll take more money from all inside their camps, thay'll get free-marketing-space in media, they'll fight as long as it takes for Sony to get the PS3 out on the shelves and then the Toshiba will redraw, say "HDDVD was not good idea, sorry all of you, now let's switch to BR", and start making serious money from it's shares in The Cell techology.

I've seen a demonstration of BluRay player in Sony's Center in my homeland, Croatia. It was a japanese NTSC player, with japanese remote and the guy who worked there alowed me to spend over a hour there and watch all the videos, comparation videos (BR vs "standard" DVD) and special footages for show-off. It was connected to 42" plasma with VGA cable, boosting "just" 720p resolution. And it was HALF A YEAR ago.

Croatia is a small country in Eastern Europe, still not in EU, with population of 4M and average monthly income of just 700$. Why on earth would Sony give a BR player to a small shop in Croatia (small when comapred to Sony's shop in Wienna, Austria for example) if they did't "finalise the format yet" or whatever. They have it all ready to go, they just do not want to rush.

It's a hoax. :)
 
tha_con
Well I'm not trying to play dirty by any means, I'm providing information and sources, and getting insulted for it over and over, for reasons I know not.

I'm just trying to point out what has been reported by everyone, and what all of the analysts are predicting, while Solid has been insulting me and telling me I'm wrong, without providing information to base that on.

But, I guess that's just the way thing's happen...I'll be sure to keep my eye's open for those 'talks' that are still going on...lol.
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Your info is worthless. It's not pertinent since I already explained I know about the talks were once over. But, that's not stopping you from acting like an idiot and continue to avoid what I've been saying. You just live in a different world than the rest of us when it comes to admitting you were wrong, or a accepting a different view other than your own. I find that pathetic.

Talks are not over. They aren't intense, or media breaking. But, that doesn't mean they aren't happening. Wait a few weeks. It'll come soon.
 
Solid Lifters
Your info is worthless. It's not pertinent since I already explained I know about the talks were once over. But, that's not stopping you from acting like an idiot and continue to avoid what I've been saying. You just live in a different world than the rest of us when it comes to admitting you were wrong, or a accepting a different view other than your own. I find that pathetic.

Talks are not over. They aren't intense, or media breaking. But, that doesn't mean they aren't happening. Wait a few weeks. It'll come soon.
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Talks were "once" over. THat is the key word in that quote. They ARE over.

If my information is worthless, as you say, then what is your information that is based purley off of your word of mouth, and nothing more? I don't have a problem admitting I'm wrong, but you're the ONLY person I've seen telling me that the talks are "not over". Yet you have not proven me wrong, you just say that "you know" and I should just "agree". No. I have no problem admitting I'm wrong, but please, SHOW me I'm wrong, don't tell me, that is the difference.

I have absolutely no problem accepting other views, at all. However, if I read something, multiple times, and it's proven correct to me, I find it difficult to just drop that information, as it's reliable, for something based off of word of mouth.

I mean, if I were to tell you right now "Hey, HD-DVD is a dead format, Toshiba hasn't announced it yet, because it's not really media breaking yet, but they are going to withdraw from the format war" and gave you absolutely no reference, at all...would you be so inclined to believe me just off of my word? No. So why is it pathetic, or idiodic, for me to act the same?
 
Talks are not over. There is still a chance for compatible BD/HD-DVD driver. But, most likely, we'll see a hybrid BD/HD-DVD disc system.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showpost.php?p=1951369&postcount=28

Read for yourself, what HP wants. What did Warner Brothers get? The proof that a possible collaborative drvier is still a possibility, yet a collaborate disc is more than likely.

Warners got the cheaper red laser HD DVD format now called BD9, which can/could bridge the gap between BD and HD-DVD.

HP wants iHD and managed copy security. Disney wants iHD, and is getting it included in. That's how BDA got Disney on board. This will also bridge the gap between BD and HD-DVD.

So, red laser BD9, and iHD, which got DIsney on board the BDA, could mean the BDA, and Sony, just might rethink their stance on a seperate media player war because they would be so close in specs to HD-DVD. But, again, I doubt that. However, since the BDA is allowing BD9 and iHD, BD-J, the Jave lanuage, could get elliminated altogether and that could cause problems for the BDA since that's how they got Fox on board. Fox want BD-J, while the rest want iHD. However, Dell and Apple are at a neutral stance of the BD-J/iHD issue, for now.

With HP threatening outright defection and studio pressure building, it would be no great surprise to see iHD added to Blu-ray. Should that happen, the hardware companies are going to be very unhappy about having to license and implement BD-J when only one studio plans to use it. At that point, BD-J could get forced out of the spec after all.

Similar pressure could build on BD+ and ROM Mark, which again, only one studio plans to use. Acceding to HP’s demand for mandatory managed copy, in fact, might require eliminating BD+ if it’s true that, as many in the computer industry fear, the extra layer of copy protection is just a sneaky way to disable managed copy.

By the time all the horse trading is done, it’s possible that the important features of both HD DVD and Blu-ray will be essentially the same. The same logical layer, the same copy protection, the same policies on managed copy. With commercially viable dual-layer Blu-ray discs likely still two or more years off, even the formats' capacities will be similar, 30 GB for HD DVD vs. 25 GB for Blu-ray.

At that point, the battle will have come full circle, back to a dispute over the physical specifications of the disc and the costs of manufacturing them. And that’s not good ground for Blu-ray to fight on. It could cause The movie studios to rethink the use of Blu-ray altogether, which would damage Sony a lot.


HP is ready to take a neutral stance if the BDA doesn't adopt iHD and mandatory managed copy. This is something Sony, and the BDA, can't afford either. What would happen if Dell, and then Apple followed suit.


You see, now? This war is far from over, and so are the talks. They both are far from over. Why don't you think all those items I mentioned before, cancelled Blu-ray event and Microsoft still not release the driver specs, are signs of a possible collaborative driver, at the very least a collaboritive disc? Again, you just continue to believe only your opion is valid. And that's pathetic.
 
OH I seeeeeee.

So basically you're basing this all off of SPECULATION. Since a few of the companies want FEATURES included in HD-DVD, namely security features, they MUST be in talks :rolleyes: .

HP wants a unified standard? You confusing this a little bit. Let's re-read your news article.

Oct 19, 2005 - HP Drives Format Compatibility for High-Definition DVDs

HP today announced that they would like to see mandatory managed copy and iHD adopted by Blu-ray Disc to try and bridge the differences between Blu-ray and HD-DVD. The company has formally appealed to the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA) to include these technologies as part of its format specification to help create a seamless experience throughout the digitally connected home. The move reflects HP's desire to ensure that consumers aren't forced to choose between competing HD formats for DVDs. "We know now that there's going to be a standards war," said Maureen Weber, general manager of personal storage at HP. "Our goal is to minimize its impact. The bottom line is that we're still very committed to Blu-ray, but we want to protect our consumers."
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In context, this means that HP would like the BDA to include features from HD-DVD, namely iHD, into their format.

This would make the differenec between the two formats SMALLER, meaning it would be EASIER for consumers to CHOSE a medium. What their goal is, is to narrow the difference down to a few key features and storage space, this would make it easier for consumers to understand, and pick.

On the other hand, what does BD9 have to do with anything? You don't even understand what it's for apparently. Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray use Blue Laser's. A red laser has NO IMPACT or significance to a unified standard.

BD9 is the Blu-Rays red laser, which will give it capability to read the Blu-Ray version of DVD9, also known as BD9. Here's a better description for you:

They got that through a couple of important concessions from Blu-ray. The format will now include a low-cost red-laser option that will allow studios to create a Blu-ray version of the DVD-9, a “BD9.” Cardwell said that since the costs of manufacturing blue-laser-based Blu-ray discs “are unknown to us,” Warner wanted to ensure there was some level of expenses the studio could more accurately project.
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What does Warner Bro's plan to use this for?

The studio plans to use the red-laser option for shorter programs that don’t require all the storage capacity of a blue-laser disc or for budget-priced titles that might not justify the higher costs.
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Definately not a means to bridge the gap, that's for sure.

But you telling me that they got the "cheaper red laser HD-DVD format" already let's me know you either a) made a mistake in that sentence, since HD-DVD uses blue laser technology. Or b) you really don't understand this too well, and you're insulting me out of spite etc etc. HD-DVD uses blue laser technology, there's no arguing that. THe only reason is retains the "DVD" name is because first and formost, Toshiba wasnts to maintain something recognizable to the consumer, and second, it maintains the same disc structure of the original DVD, which is also why it's limited in size.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but facts are facts, and I can't argue with them.

Sources:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6276046.html?industryid=43290&industry=New+Tech

HD-DVD Blue laser info:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/27/toshiba_blue_laser_tech_chosen/


You can search for many more, but the answer will be the same, only one source is needed.
 
That, you are.

edit: I don't mean to sound like a douche, but that last post is pretty hard to debate against.
 
tha_con
OH I seeeeeee.

So basically you're basing this all off of SPECULATION. Since a few of the companies want FEATURES included in HD-DVD, namely security features, they MUST be in talks :rolleyes: .

HP wants a unified standard? You confusing this a little bit. Let's re-read your news article.



In context, this means that HP would like the BDA to include features from HD-DVD, namely iHD, into their format.

This would make the differenec between the two formats SMALLER, meaning it would be EASIER for consumers to CHOSE a medium. What their goal is, is to narrow the difference down to a few key features and storage space, this would make it easier for consumers to understand, and pick.

On the other hand, what does BD9 have to do with anything? You don't even understand what it's for apparently. Both HD-DVD and Blu-Ray use Blue Laser's. A red laser has NO IMPACT or significance to a unified standard.

BD9 is the Blu-Rays red laser, which will give it capability to read the Blu-Ray version of DVD9, also known as BD9. Here's a better description for you:




What does Warner Bro's plan to use this for?



Definately not a means to bridge the gap, that's for sure.

But you telling me that they got the "cheaper red laser HD-DVD format" already let's me know you either a) made a mistake in that sentence, since HD-DVD uses blue laser technology. Or b) you really don't understand this too well, and you're insulting me out of spite etc etc. HD-DVD uses blue laser technology, there's no arguing that. THe only reason is retains the "DVD" name is because first and formost, Toshiba wasnts to maintain something recognizable to the consumer, and second, it maintains the same disc structure of the original DVD, which is also why it's limited in size.

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but facts are facts, and I can't argue with them.

Sources:

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6276046.html?industryid=43290&industry=New+Tech

HD-DVD Blue laser info:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/11/27/toshiba_blue_laser_tech_chosen/


You can search for many more, but the answer will be the same, only one source is needed.
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Again, proof of what a huge asshole you are...

I never said HD-DVD ONLY uses a red laser. You put that idea in my mouth to make yourself appear more correct, and and me confused about the tech specs of the BD/HD-DVD formats.

HD-DVD9, which is red laser, will be used more often than the blue laser HD-DVD, by the movies sutdios so save money on high-def HD-DVD movie production. It allows them to use their current machines to make the discs. That's a huge draw for HD-DVD.

Now that Blu-ray uses BD9, and red laser, and the use of iHD, it brings BD to same spec level as HD-DVD. The entire draw for using BD over HD-DVD has been its better, higher specs compared to HD-DVD. Now, the playing field is leveled. Why don't you see how that could undermine Sony's quest to seperate itself from HD-DVD, and gain the larger share of the media player support?

This ends it. Again, like the jerk you are, despite your claims otherwise, you'll just twist my words and meaning to support only your agenda and point of view.
 
Solid Lifters
Again, proof of what a huge asshole you are...

I never said HD-DVD ONLY uses a red laser. You put that idea in my mouth to make yourself appear more correct, and and me confused about the tech specs of the BD/HD-DVD formats.

HD-DVD9, which is red laser, will be used more often than the blue laser HD-DVD, by the movies sutdios so save money on high-def HD-DVD movie production. It allows them to use their current machines to make the discs. That's a huge draw for HD-DVD.

Now that Blu-ray uses BD9, and red laser, and the use of iHD, it brings BD to same spec level as HD-DVD. The entire draw for using BD over HD-DVD has been its better, higher specs compared to HD-DVD. Now, the playing field is leveled. Why don't you see how that could undermine Sony's quest to seperate itself from HD-DVD, and gain the larger share of the media player support?

This ends it. Again, like the jerk you are, despite your claims otherwise, you'll just twist my words and meaning to support only your agenda and point of view.
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Since I'm such a "jerk" I'm just going to rip this post to shreds.

HD-DVD9 only stores 8.6gb per layer. That is only enough, at maximum, for 2 hours of HD content, with NEW compression technology (H. 264 is you're wondering). That is enough for a movie and that's it. This will only see the light of day for data and possibly for Short films or TV series, POSSIBLY, since most series come with extra's etc. 2 hours is nothing.

Using your current machines for only a marginal increase is not impressive, and by no means anything that anyone is going to jump to attain.

Now that Blu-ray uses BD9, and red laser, and the use of iHD, it brings BD to same spec level as HD-DVD. The entire draw for using BD over HD-DVD has been its better, higher specs compared to HD-DVD. Now, the playing field is leveled. Why don't you see how that could undermine Sony's quest to seperate itself from HD-DVD, and gain the larger share of the media player support?
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First and foremost, BD9 IS the red laser format, there is no reason to name them together.

And the use of these features does not bring it to the "same spec level" as HD-DVD, it put's it ABOVE it. Now, not only does Blu-Ray boast more storage space, but it also boasts features the other medium has.

If I have two cars, both with navigation, heated seats, and deluxe rims, I don't know which one to pick. But if I know one has a V8 and the other is a 4 cylinder, I can make my choice a bit more accurately, because the difference is clear. Same apply's for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.


Why don't you see how that could undermine Sony's quest to seperate itself from HD-DVD, and gain the larger share of the media player support?
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What are you talking about? This is seperating them from HD-DVD. Seriously, THINK about it. They have ALL the key strengths of HD-DVD and then MORE support from Hardware, and MORE support from production companies, and MORE storage space, along with an EASILY attained user base. PS3. Yes, I'm sure sony see's how all of these are "keeping consumers" from differentiating. This is a CLEAR difference between the two formats. There is no instant draw for HD-DVD. None. Users aren't going to get excited for just HD-DVD.

But users will, and are, excited for PS3, and having it play next generation HD movies is a selling point, and having all of these production companies is a huge selling point.

To conclude, there are no talks, and there are no reasons for talks. And I'm a jerk. Happy Happy Joy Joy.
 
tha_con
If I have two cars, both with navigation, heated seats, and deluxe rims, I don't know which one to pick. But if I know one has a V8 and the other is a 4 cylinder, I can make my choice a bit more accurately, because the difference is clear. Same apply's for Blu-Ray and HD-DVD.
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But, the 4 cylinder has better gas mileage! :dopey:


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4 bangers are wonderful *love*

Anyway, I'm through arguing, it's clear that certain points aren't coming together well to some others, as cocky as that may sound, and if fact can't prove my point, then I have nothing left to prove.

So, I step down, continue as you may, but I'm finished.
 
tha_con
Anyway, I'm through arguing, it's clear that certain points aren't coming together well to some others, as cocky as that may sound, and if fact can't prove my point, then I have nothing left to prove.

So, I step down, continue as you may, but I'm finished.
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I'm glad to hear that. Solid, you need to do the same and relax.
 
That's right, relax solid, just go to google search, type in "free ***** girl gallery"...and I am sure you'll feel much better!
 
Swift
I'm glad to hear that. Solid, you need to do the same and relax.
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I already did. I put that asshole on my ignore list the second I made my last post in here. Now the pages load a lot quicker, too! 👍
 
Ignoring doesn't help anything. Understanding is the key.
 
tha_con
I'm not exactly sure where I got out of line with anyone.

Can someone please point out to me where I was an "asshole"?
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You've both said your words. There's no need to prove "where you were an 'asshole'". Leave it be, and get on with the topic at hand. If discussion on this topic does not continue, I, or another Moderator, will be forced to close the thread. That applies to everyone.
 
&#946
To be honest i'm not a fan of you either.
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Way to be vague. :lol: 👍

So... how bout them currency rates? You don't think the companies will be taking advantage of them, do you?
 
Those I disagree with don't like me. Yet no one ever brings facts to debate with.


As for currency, who knows yenno? It's so up in the air right now. I am willing to stand by my word that Sony will luanch their PS3 in Oct 2006 at $399 in the US.

What is more cause for speculation, however, are recent comments that the PS3 will come "preloaded" with movies etc. No one is sure if they mean it will come bundled with BD-Rom sample discs...or if there is more to it than meets the eye...
 
Omnis
So... how bout them currency rates? You don't think the companies will be taking advantage of them, do you?
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Australia's retail price will most likely be double what the US's retail price will be even though our currency is worth over 70% of the US's. Paying double is just normal for us now.
 

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