PS3 root key found....Anyone think we are going to see some changes soon

[RTSolvalou]

I'm sure Yamachi will or someone in his team will come up with something clever for Patch 1.06

 

[Rhino_WJB]

I've just spent the last 20 minutes compiling a lengthy reply to this subject with thoughts, experiences, predictions and observations. However, I've decided to delete the lot, except:

"Just speaking as a gamer of 25 years or so, I cannot help but feel that this is all going to turn out horribly."

 

[RTSolvalou]

Agreed, and I tend to delete blocks too.
The great thing about consoles used to be that they were reliable, very rarely a game would freeze, and usually only if the disc was scratched or the machine very hot.

Now, all of the problems that were exclusive to PCs and their games is headed for a console near you!

 

[dhandeh]

It doesn't look good. Four years was a good run without a reliable hack, Sony remove Linux ability and a few months later they have broken it wide open.
Sony should have just left it.
Anyone for playstation 4?

 

[Robin]

All this happened because Sony messed with Other OS, by removing it it angered lots of people and thats what led to the hacking scene been so interested in the system. For years no one bothered too much trying to crack the PS3 and its superior security system kept it quite safe. But recently Sony have got aggressive with the pointless updates locking down the system which some have seen as a challenge to freedom of use.

If Sony just brought back Other OS in a more secure form (which I'm sure with all their resources is possible) then people would be less eager to tear the system to pieces. Also forcing people to update to still use PSN and play the latest games is frustrating. I don't have to update Windows ever if I choose yet I can still play most titles.

Gone the good old days of decent console reliability and NO firmware updates.

 

[dhandeh]

I don't think bringing OS back will do anything, the hackers have the keys to the house and Sony can't change the locks. In fact there is no front door on the house.

 

[Robin]

I don't think bringing OS back will do anything, the hackers have the keys to the house and Sony can't change the locks. In fact there is no front door on the house.

I agree with that point but I think bringing back other OS would at least cut down the number of law abiding people who are potentially turn to hacking just to get back that feature. Of course there will always be others who want to use it for more sinister reasons.

As it stands this new hack hasn't been released per say and isn't in any usable form to anyone other than clever coders. Sony could block its release like they did before. I think at the end of the day every piece of hardware 'falls' and I have to say Sony is partly to blame for baiting it.

 

[RC45]

Good, about time.

We have 200GB of useless data comprised of priceless family photos/videos and such ona YLODed PS3 that cannot be accessed.

Hopefully someone will toss out a utility that lets us access our "locked" personal data - Sony fooled many of us early adopters to wholesale adopt the PS3 as the home media device - we compleid and got shafted bigtime the day they dropped support for other OS's.

So again, great news that finally we may be able to access our OWN data again.

 

[dhandeh]

It potentially could be a game changer, IF it does work and the third party developers create successful apps for it, everyone will want a ps3. Look at the ipod/ipad/android market scenario, there is an app for everything. If it works for ps3, I expect the ps4 to allow it from day one.

On the flip side, there will be the pirates, but if Sony are selling ps3's by the bucketload I'm sure they won't mind. Especially in the long run.

 

[Robin]

On the flip side, there will be the pirates, but if Sony are selling ps3's by the bucketload I'm sure they won't mind. Especially in the long run.

Exactly, the PS2 was cracked literally a year after it came out and piracy was an unstoppable issue on the system for nearly 9 years... still went on to be the greatest selling console of all time and a real money spinner for Sony.

Its like with the iPhone, I don't see jailbreaking hampering sales in any way, if anything people are even more attracted to buy something if it does anything extra over whats advertised.

Robin.

 

[dhandeh]

Time will tell. Its going to be very interesting to see what happens.

 

[niky]

Hopefully people can resign saves soon for GT5 or any other game account locked like you can with Modio and the like on Xbox 360.

Oh Lordie, then the "anti-cheaters" Brigade will be up in arms because of kids having all the trophies before even booting up...

Exactly, the PS2 was cracked literally a year after it came out and piracy was an unstoppable issue on the system for nearly 9 years... still went on to be the greatest selling console of all time and a real money spinner for Sony.

Its like with the iPhone, I don't see jailbreaking hampering sales in any way, if anything people are even more attracted to buy something if it does anything extra over whats advertised.

Robin.

It won't hurt Sony per se... hell, the PS2 sold stronger than ever after it came out, but it's going to hurt a hell of a lot of game developers. Games online can probably be patched to prevent piracy, but games that rely heavily on single-player content will suffer.

Just how much they'll suffer... I don't know. The big houses will take a hit but will just keep on churning out games... but a few thousand or hundred thousand sales lost to piracy may just be enough to put smaller game developers out of business.

 

[crazedmodder]

I've been reading on various forums and comment threads how people blame Sony for bring this on themselves and how they are irritated that Sony removed OtherOS. It's a similar scenario as how people hate DRM, HDCP, etc and blame the corporations using them for their existence. Although I agree partially that this allows them to control content, I blame the end users who abuse things that are left unprotected. When people pirate as much as they do they are just giving developers a reason to use content protection. Just look at Dreamcast to see what can happen to a system that doesn't have some protection. Would companies use these content protection schemes if there was no piracy? Maybe they would but people would rip them to shreds because they would not have an excuse to fall back on for why they are doing it. Now they can just point the finger at piracy, and they are right to do so.

Also forcing people to update to still use PSN and play the latest games is frustrating. I don't have to update Windows ever if I choose yet I can still play most titles.

Every other online gaming platform works in exactly the same way so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Windows isn't a gaming specific platform but Steam and Games for Windows Live won't allow you to access the network if you don't update them. Honestly people shouldn't be allowed online if they don't update their PCs since they are just giving the rest of us problems because they get infected, become parts of botnets, spam, etc.

Gone the good old days of decent console reliability and NO firmware updates.

My PS3 has been more reliable than any PS2 I've ever had. People assume that just because developers can push updates that games and systems are released half-assed. That's not true at all (I won't say for every developer, but for most). I tested games back in the PS2/Gamecube/Xbox era and I also tested games recently on Wii/X360/PS3 and I can tell that there is not much difference in the way developers go about their business. The reason that a lot of bugs get left in is because the developer will look at the issue report and decide that it's too hard to reproduce and unlikely to happen, decide that the bug isn't bad enough or it's too risky of a fix. Of course when the games get out in the wild that unlikely bug or not an issue bug could end up being a big problem.

This happened in the past on old systems and it still happens today because they can't fix every bug. Today the games are much more complex and because of that there are more bugs and they are more difficult to fix so developers need to choose even more bugs to not fix. What patches let them do which they couldn't do in the past is fix the decisions that were wrong.

I'm glad to have patches on the new generation of consoles, I think a lot of annoying things can be fixed (and have been fixed) in many games.

Just think of GT2, want 100% completion you need to get the newer version of the game. Not just bugs either, but Black Ops had balancing for the knives/sniper rifles because the community voiced their opinions. Patches also come to fix holes that allow people to cheat.

I mean it's a win-win, win for consumers because we get bugs, cheats, balancing fixed and sometimes more content and a win for developers because they don't have to press new discs to change things and they can increase the replay value of the game.

Good, about time.

We have 200GB of useless data comprised of priceless family photos/videos and such ona YLODed PS3 that cannot be accessed.

Hopefully someone will toss out a utility that lets us access our "locked" personal data - Sony fooled many of us early adopters to wholesale adopt the PS3 as the home media device - we compleid and got shafted bigtime the day they dropped support for other OS's.

So again, great news that finally we may be able to access our OWN data again.

You didn't back it up? Sorry to sound cold but when I lose data that I don't backup that's no one's fault but my own. Especially if you are on a system where you can't take out the hard drive and retrieve your data on a PC. I've lost a lot of important data on PCs too, USB hard drives are ridiculously cheap nowadays.

Now if we see awesome homebrew applications as were seen on the original Xbox that would be awesome. However, things have become so focused on piracy that it's doubtful we will see awesome applications.

 

[isamu]

Hello. I don't know if any of you are qualified to answer this question, but perhaps you can speculate on it so I'll go ahead and ask it anyway:

I have a force feedback steering wheel. It is USB and is designed to work on the PC *ONLY*. With this new breakthrough on the PS3, do you suppose there will be a way "mod" the system, or perhaps create some sort of app that will allow the console to recognize *ANY* USB hardware, so that I would be able to use my wheel in say, GT5?

Please let me know what your thoughts are, and how feasible this idea is.

 

[dhandeh]

Just look at how many iPad apps there are. All these are possible and more if this works.

 

[Tornado]

I have a force feedback steering wheel. It is USB and is designed to work on the PC *ONLY*. With this new breakthrough on the PS3, do you suppose there will be a way "mod" the system, or perhaps create some sort of app that will allow the console to recognize *ANY* USB hardware, so that I would be able to use my wheel in say, GT5?

Please let me know what your thoughts are, and how feasible this idea is.

No. There might be ways to make the PS3 recognize the wheel, but short of reprogramming the game there would be no way to get it to work with GT5.

 

[ampire]

It potentially could be a game changer, IF it does work and the third party developers create successful apps for it, everyone will want a ps3. Look at the ipod/ipad/android market scenario, there is an app for everything. If it works for ps3, I expect the ps4 to allow it from day one.

On the flip side, there will be the pirates, but if Sony are selling ps3's by the bucketload I'm sure they won't mind. Especially in the long run.

They make a loss on the consoles, and make a large profit on the games. If the games are all pirated, they lose money overall. The consoles are considered to be "loss leaders".

The coolest part of the PS2 games was the hybrid saves one could make, allowing for some really crazy cars. Would be neat to see that as well, but unlikely.

 

[deftonesmx17]

It potentially could be a game changer, IF it does work and the third party developers create successful apps for it, everyone will want a ps3. Look at the ipod/ipad/android market scenario, there is an app for everything. If it works for ps3, I expect the ps4 to allow it from day one.

No doubt; just look at the 360. From day one it did almost everything a XBMC'd xbox did (aside from running emu's and other unsigned code).


In regards to piracy; it will not hurt devs like they will try to say and lead you to believe. This is not just true for games, but almost any media.

The video game sale market is bigger than it has ever been...piracy of games is also at an all time high. The wii and it's sale of products is crushing both Sony and Microsofts efforts, even with it being the easy-peasey to pirate for console.

The Music industry is at an all time high in regards to sales.....
Probably because people can now buy single tracks instead of buying a full CD for those 2 of the 15 songs they actually liked.

There are more movie goers now than ever before......all in the face of piracy and 'cammers'.

Even books are not being hurt as bad as they make it out to be. Don't believe me? Stop for a second and think about this....Harry Potter was pirated to hell and back, yet J. K. Rowling is one of the richest authors in the world.

 

[crazedmodder]

No doubt; just look at the 360. From day one it did almost everything a XBMC'd xbox did (aside from running emu's and other unsigned code).

In regards to piracy; it will not hurt devs like they will try to say and lead you to believe. This is not just true for games, but almost any media.

The video game sale market is bigger than it has ever been...piracy of games is also at an all time high. The wii and it's sale of products is crushing both Sony and Microsofts efforts, even with it being the easy-peasey to pirate for console.

The Music industry is at an all time high in regards to sales.....
Probably because people can now buy single tracks instead of buying a full CD for those 2 of the 15 songs they actually liked.

There are more movie goers now than ever before......all in the face of piracy and 'cammers'.

Even books are not being hurt as bad as they make it out to be. Don't believe me? Stop for a second and think about this....Harry Potter was pirated to hell and back, yet J. K. Rowling is one of the richest authors in the world.

Sources?

Either way, it's not a question of how much money they're making, it's a question of how much money they're losing to piracy which otherwise would have been purchases. Figuring out these things isn't as simple as comparing sales year by year (because population changes, new hardware has been released, etc). This is something that analysts try to tell us and each one will have their own story (aka BS) but we can spread one thing as fact, these people (everyone involved with the development of a game/song/movie) are losing money due to piracy. We may not know how much money but we know that they are losing money.

I used to be one of those "screw the companies everyone should pirate" type of kids. Looking back on me saying that piracy didn't hurt anyone, they charge too much, they don't make anything that people want and laughing at their commercials comparing it with theft I see now that was a really big idiot. I read on so many forums people trying to justify it I'm sorry but there is no justification for piracy.

I changed my outlook from being pro-piracy quickly when I started taking computer engineering courses (kind of). It gave me a great appreciation of the amount of talent these developers have and how much work they actually do. My brother took audio engineering and the stuff he shows me gives me a greater appreciation of the music industry especially when I consider how much time I've spent listening to and enjoying music. Then of course my appreciation of the amount of work that goes into anything: movies, sports, writing, etc. They deserve every dollar I give them (and I don't even have a job!). Especially when some of these people work minimum 60 hour weeks with families to deliver a game on time otherwise consumers who haven't even paid for it yet will cry foul.

Your comment about J.K Rowling suggests that you believe she has enough money so it's irrelevant whether people pirate her book or not. What about everyone else involved in the creation of the book and the people indirectly involved who work at the publishing company? Besides, who are you to decide that she shouldn't get anymore money? If her books are that good then people should buy them and she deserves the money.

Anyways, as I said if we see some great apps I will eat my words. However, piracy seems like such a "cool" thing to do nowadays I think that will eclipse all the great things we might see.

 

[Nigma]

"Every other online gaming platform works in exactly the same way so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Windows isn't a gaming specific platform but Steam and Games for Windows Live won't allow you to access the network if you don't update them. Honestly people shouldn't be allowed online if they don't update their PCs since they are just giving the rest of us problems because they get infected, become parts of botnets, spam, etc."

Who are you to say we shouldn't be allowed online? Come upgraded my computer then you can tell me when I can and can't get online. Sorry money makes the world go round and I didn't know you printed it.

 

[crazedmodder]

"Every other online gaming platform works in exactly the same way so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Windows isn't a gaming specific platform but Steam and Games for Windows Live won't allow you to access the network if you don't update them. Honestly people shouldn't be allowed online if they don't update their PCs since they are just giving the rest of us problems because they get infected, become parts of botnets, spam, etc."

Who are you to say we shouldn't be allowed online? Come upgraded my computer then you can tell me when I can and can't get online. Sorry money makes the world go round and I didn't know you printed it.

I didn't say upgrade, I said update, although I can see how that causes confusion. Regardless, I was talking about software for that entire post. FYI it does not cost you money to go to windows update and click update.

Besides the fact that I should have the right to say that because the way you use your computer affects MY computer. When people post spam on my facebook, send spam to my email, post spam on the forums I visit, try to spread worms to me, take part in DDOS attacks, etc because they didn't bother to update their windows installation affects MY experience online.

To keep this from derailing horribly OT.

Software that could make this broken PS3 system awesome:

• Proper home theater interface (XBMC, MythTV style)
• Non-cheat mods (custom cars/tracks/triple screen/LAN for GT5, custom maps/guns for COD, etc)
• Ability to install Linux on it again
• Better browser (could come with Linux but I like things packaged in the PS3 UI)
• Emulators (imagine PCSX2 running fine on the PS3 ) (again it could come with Linux but I like things packaged in the PS3 UI)
• More flexible UI, the simplified UI is nice but IMO it should always be a simplified UI with options to customize it how you like

What applications would you like to see?

 

[niky]

Your comment about J.K Rowling suggests that you believe she has enough money so it's irrelevant whether people pirate her book or not. What about everyone else involved in the creation of the book and the people indirectly involved who work at the publishing company? Besides, who are you to decide that she shouldn't get anymore money? If her books are that good then people should buy them and she deserves the money.

I have all seven Harry Potters, and while a few of the earlier ones were good entertainment for children, Book 7 was a pile of garbage (some are of the opinion all of them are...).

But i quite agree with this. Just because the big boys are making money by the bucketload, doesn't mean that piracy isn't hurting them. Piracy can mean cuts in some departments... can mean that fewer volumes get shipped to certain markets, and retailers get put out of business.

Piracy makes it harder for smaller companies to compete. Without the huge volumes of bigger companies to counteract the effects of piracy, small software houses that make the occassional gem struggle.

Fact is... people are buying lots of games... but whole shedloads of certain titles and very little of everything else.

It's great that we have the iPhone, iPad and Android for small game houses to come up with good cheap titles for... but I can see a point in the not too distant future where we don't have very many publishing houses and development groups for expensive console games... which would be very sad.

 

[RC45]

I have all seven Harry Potters, and while a few of the earlier ones were good entertainment for children, Book 7 was a pile of garbage (some are of the opinion all of them are...).

But i quite agree with this. Just because the big boys are making money by the bucketload, doesn't mean that piracy isn't hurting them. Piracy can mean cuts in some departments... can mean that fewer volumes get shipped to certain markets, and retailers get put out of business.

Piracy makes it harder for smaller companies to compete. Without the huge volumes of bigger companies to counteract the effects of piracy, small software houses that make the occassional gem struggle.

Fact is... people are buying lots of games... but whole shedloads of certain titles and very little of everything else.

It's great that we have the iPhone, iPad and Android for small game houses to come up with good cheap titles for... but I can see a point in the not too distant future where we don't have very many publishing houses and development groups for expensive console games... which would be very sad.

This "piracy" issue for console games must really be an issue in poorly regulated makerts then.

I have bought many console titles over the years, many many console titles - total probably in the 150 to 200 range. Never been able to buy a pirate copy so I didnt.

Where are all these priate copies being sold? And for how much?

I am sure there are million of consumers around the world who really would not care if the copy they bought was "legite' or pirated if it was cheaper - but they have never had the chance to buy a pirated copy.

I am quite confident that the true "cost" piracy in the grand scheme of things is far less than it is made out to be.

Again, where are these pirate copies being sold in such volumes to so many consumers that it even makes a difference?

Just asking.

 

[Nigma]

Most are downloaded, not a physical disc.

 

[RC45]

Good, about time.

We have 200GB of useless data comprised of priceless family photos/videos and such ona YLODed PS3 that cannot be accessed.

Hopefully someone will toss out a utility that lets us access our "locked" personal data - Sony fooled many of us early adopters to wholesale adopt the PS3 as the home media device - we compleid and got shafted bigtime the day they dropped support for other OS's.

So again, great news that finally we may be able to access our OWN data again.

You didn't back it up? Sorry to sound cold but when I lose data that I don't backup that's no one's fault but my own. Especially if you are on a system where you can't take out the hard drive and retrieve your data on a PC. I've lost a lot of important data on PCs too, USB hard drives are ridiculously cheap nowadays.

The backup proved useless - would not be detected by the new PS3 - it is looking for the old PS3 hardware.

The drive is still perfect - the harddrive never failed - the PS3 hardware failed.

You are aware that the PS3 encryption carries over to the harddrive data aren't you?

The point here is that the method provided by Sony is as many of their systems are, proprietary and flawed beyond belief - something we as customers only discover after the fact.

Most are downloaded, not a physical disc.

Which means they are a TINY fraction of a fraction of the console market then.

Thanks for providng the answer I was alluding to

 

[crazedmodder]

The backup proved useless - would not be detected by the new PS3 - it is looking for the old PS3 hardware.

The drive is still perfect - the harddrive never failed - the PS3 hardware failed.

You are aware that the PS3 encryption carries over to the harddrive data aren't you?

The point here is that the method provided by Sony is as many of their systems are, proprietary and flawed beyond belief - something we as customers only discover after the fact.

I understand that the PS3 encryption makes a hard drive unreadable by a computer or another PS3 and that your hard drive didn't fail but those facts are unrelated to back-ups:

Some types of backed up data can be restored on another PS3™ system. The types of data that can be restored on another system are as follows:
- Saved data from PlayStation®3 format software *1
- Image files under (Photo)
- Music files under (Music) *2
- Video files under (Video) *2
- Bookmarks added under (Internet Browser)
- Terms that were added using (Settings) > (System Settings) > [Add/Edit Term], or predictive terms that were "learned" by the on-screen keyboard
*1 Copy-protected data cannot be restored. Also, saved data that has been restored may not be usable in some games.
*2 Does not include copyright-protected data.

Besides, the PS3 being cracked may result in someone writing an application to allow you to load another PS3's hard drive into the system but I'm sure it is more intricate than just loading some data and I doubt we will see an application like that.

The X360's hard drive is already accessible on PC and I expect to see an application allowing the PS3's hard drive to be accessible on PC before an application allowing us to swap them between PS3s. I've been reading that people are trying to crack the encryption and want to have the ability to change the ID so that your PS3(1) hard drive can be used by PS3(2).

Which means they are a TINY fraction of a fraction of the console market then.

Thanks for providng the answer I was alluding to

Why would you think just because pirated material is downloaded that it is a TINY fraction? This is not a fair assumption to make when taking into account people's livelihoods. We have no idea what the exact number of pirated copies are, download or otherwise. Analysts try to predict but no one knows the exact numbers.

 

[niky]

Why would you think just because pirated material is downloaded that it is a TINY fraction? This is not a fair assumption to make when taking into account people's livelihoods. We have no idea what the exact number of pirated copies are, download or otherwise. Analysts try to predict but no one knows the exact numbers.

Yup. The numbers are probably enormous. I wouldn't be surprised if the total number of torrent downloads for PSP games is close to the total number of torrents for movies or music.

It's a huge market. And while many of the buyers are those who would not buy an original game anyway (game prices are huge compared to many third-worlder's salaries...), many of the people who do trade in pirated copies could afford originals if they wanted to.

Some people forget: America =/= The World. Just because you can't buy pirates in Texas doesn't mean anything. There are millions of pirated DVDs exchanging hands all over the world on street corners from Manila to Madrid.

And there are thousands of third-world vendors who will happily load your PSP with hundreds of pirated games for less than the price of a Happy Meal.

 

[RC45]

Yup. The numbers are probably enormous. I wouldn't be surprised if the total number of torrent downloads for PSP games is close to the total number of torrents for movies or music.

It's a huge market. And while many of the buyers are those who would not buy an original game anyway (game prices are huge compared to many third-worlder's salaries...), many of the people who do trade in pirated copies could afford originals if they wanted to.

Some people forget: America =/= The World. Just because you can't buy pirates in Texas doesn't mean anything. There are millions of pirated DVDs exchanging hands all over the world on street corners from Manila to Madrid.

And there are thousands of third-world vendors who will happily load your PSP with hundreds of pirated games for less than the price of a Happy Meal.

Noone "forgets" America is not the world. I am an immigrant to the USA - I am quite worldly thankyou - bu tyou again made my point for me.

I am posting leading questions and you are answering as I expect.

The real problem is POOR legislation and management of piracy in 3rd world countries - so why should other USERS and purchasers of the products have to suffer because piracy is rampant in countries with poorly applied laws, rampant corruption and other issues unrelated to the products being pirated.

Clamp down on illegal street vendors and purchasers of pitrated goods and they will begin to dry up.

I understand that the PS3 encryption makes a hard drive unreadable by a computer or another PS3 and that your hard drive didn't fail but those facts are unrelated to back-ups:


Besides, the PS3 being cracked may result in someone writing an application to allow you to load another PS3's hard drive into the system but I'm sure it is more intricate than just loading some data and I doubt we will see an application like that.

The X360's hard drive is already accessible on PC and I expect to see an application allowing the PS3's hard drive to be accessible on PC before an application allowing us to swap them between PS3s. I've been reading that people are trying to crack the encryption and want to have the ability to change the ID so that your PS3(1) hard drive can be used by PS3(2).

Why would you think just because pirated material is downloaded that it is a TINY fraction? This is not a fair assumption to make when taking into account people's livelihoods. We have no idea what the exact number of pirated copies are, download or otherwise. Analysts try to predict but no one knows the exact numbers.

Our experience has been that a firmware variance between the orignal PS3 (older firmware) and the new target PS (newer firmware) trying to read the backup set results in the newer PS3 not being able to even find the backup set. *shrug* either way, the issue should not exist at all. Again we have a case of an industry trying to protect some of its profits resulting in existing customers being impacted by the technology - and outside of the gaming/entertainment world that would be unacceptable - and that is the real issue.

 

[RTSolvalou]

Sharing books robs authors! (why do I not see that advert on television?)

 

[lalaurentide]

It's laughable when hackers pretend they do it to run homebrews. Seriously, the main reason is fame, and contribution to the Scene. If they want to run a non-PS3 game, software or linux, all they need is a computer, and it's a better platform at that, moreso an open platform. Those peoples who hacked the PS3 have knowledge that is highly paid for and, whatever their motivation, they don't need to hack a PS3 to run Linux on a "powerful machine". Unless they are unemployed, wich is doubtful, hacking the PS3 instead of earning money to buy a very powerful i7 computer is counter-productive. Funny thing about Linux, Linux is mainly used for hacking and hosting servers dedicated to music, movies, games and softwares distribution over FTP and P2P. Even funnier, most homebrews out there is piracy related. The argument to run homebrews is BS, they do it for many things BUT that, unless the homebrew can run a pirate game, or will eventually lead to that. Overflow wants fame, the conference is all the evidence someone needs. What I don't understand is why they showed the whole world, including Sony, how they did it, selling their hack for cheap applauses, their arrogance might have just made the PS4 unhackable. Overflow will leave one, and only one, legacy, PS3 piracy. Whatever they say, it's all about Scene recognition, and the Scene is about fighting the establishment, piracy being the most efficient way to bring anarchy to those companies, that is mostly all it recognise.

Contrary to some might think, there is nothing Sony can do, the chip isn't flashable, and since older PS3s have to run new games they cannot modify the hardware to change the key. We might see a PS4 faster than expected as piracy will be very easy.