PS3 Rules & XBox 360 Sucks! (The Official PS3 - XBox360 Argument Thread)

[Kent]

I think the most important thing Microsoft forgot about is ...

ME

Yes, plain old Kent.
Or my buddy Joe (who owns an xbox already).

Neither of us have high-speed net connections.
I don't think either of us will have one for some time to come.

However, is that a problem?
Apparently for MS it is.

In fact, it seems like microsoft's key component to gaming isn't the system itself, but the internet instead.

Sure that makes halo fun (which I play all the time on a different friend's system).
But really, when the biggest selling point of your system relies on the net, you may actually be in trouble when compared with a console king like sony.

That has even more wieght when the competition (sony) has finally managed to match or beat the tech levels of the box.

Bottom line for me:

Xbox 360 seems to be selling on anything other than the system... The net, connectivity, media management....

PS3 on the other hand seems to be stressing the system and the games... The net, connectivity, media management... all those seems to be secondary aspects.

Based on that view of priorities I am going to have to say that Sony has their priorities alligned with my own... MS seems to have their priorities alligned with, well, MS's goals.

oh and one more thing...
MS may be in for some real trouble if Sony gets online gaming even close to right.
I mean, just think about it... The net is the biggest component of Xbox 360 and if PS3 manages to deliever solid online play...

 

[Dave A]

You make a very good point Kent, games on the X-Box are already being made with online as the biggest aspect and that seems to be becoming an even bigger factor for the XB360. While that doesn't mean a bad thing for people with good connections, however people like em and you who have connections that may struggle with current games will be hard done by with games that's major gaming comes from online. And as you said, if the PS3 pulls online off too and delivers great offline games then theres only one you'd need to buy.

 

[Kent]

Thanks L4S...

I was starting to think I was the last and only person with a dial-up connection.

One thing that should really worry MS is the idea of sony coming close to doing online play correctly.

Fact is, the processing power of the ps2 is the biggest draw back for FPS games.
Once the ps3 is out it is likely that FPS games from sony will actually be great games.

Another really important thing to keep in mind here is the simple fact that SOCOM: US Navy Seals was a great online game for Sony.

Once processing power is nailed down Sony will have a great chance to replicate the online SOCOM experience with something like Killzone 2.

If that comes to be then it will be hard times for the xbox.

 

[GuyNamedJohn]

"Shoot, if someone won a million dollars in a PGR3 showdown, he/she doesn't have to race his/her souped-up Porsche Carrera GT in Forza- he/she can buy his/her own with that money!"

Just say "they" John. Your fingers will thank me.

Then imagine that T-shirt making and buying deal.

M'kay, I have no idea what you're going on about here.

Xbox 360 seems to be selling on anything other than the system... The net, connectivity, media management....

PS3 on the other hand seems to be stressing the system and the games... The net, connectivity, media management... all those seems to be secondary aspects.

Based on that view of priorities I am going to have to say that Sony has their priorities alligned with my own... MS seems to have their priorities alligned with, well, MS's goals.

Wow! Agreed.

I am, I guess, one of the few people who could not possibly care less about ONLINE component in video gaming. However, apparently Microsoft sees the future as wired, sure and simple. They're banking on it.

I don't have high-speed internet either, although that's going to change soon. But taking my game online to "meet new people"? Or seeing how many racist potty-mouthed 14 year-olds I can find who can p0wn me inside one hour? Nahh. LOL


Nah, that's ok thanks -really.

-GNJ-

 

[Kent]

John,
👍


I can't say online gaming has no importance to me... One day I will have the connection for it and from that day forward I will be a true OLR junkie.

However, even when that day comes I do not feel it will be the green grass it seems like at the moment.

I organized the WRS from week 53 to week 105.
It was a great deal of fun but it was also a great learning experience.

However, what it taught me was not always something I feel good knowing.

In fact, one thing I learned was that not everyone plays games like gt the same way.
Some of us like to keep all 4 tires on track, some of us only worry about 2, some don't even care about all 4 going off.
On that same note, there are many out there that feel banging from wall to wall and opponent to opponent is just part of the game.

Hell, I even heard someone say that banging your competition out of the way and into the wall was just part of playing the game... Sadly, I believe that was in refference to project gotham racing 2.

God forbid Gran Turismo goes online only to find a world of smack-talking, dirty racers.

For that matter though, I can say that the "hotlap" will take a new role once we are all truely racing online.

I just hope Sony is smart enough to do a record board that covers more than just the top 3... Maybe host replay laps for the top spot of each car-type/track combo, then list the top 20 for each on a leader-board/ record-board?

Well, regardless of these hopes for the future I am still going to have to say that Microsoft is taking a gamble with this new xbox.
Either people will flock to it with dreams of an online world or the masses are going to keep the Xbox they already own and stick to the idea that new platforms should bring new levels of gaming, not new levels of software marketing.


Big mistake I tell you, big mistake...
Xbox 1.5 with a walkie-talkie... Where you at?

edit:
btw, I forgot to mention that even though I am hard on MS and the Box...
The truth is, MS made a good choice with the Xbox1.5

Getting all the people who already own xboxs to buy a new hard-drive with all the new features on it would be twice as hard as selling a new system to the masses.

 

[725]

Or seeing how many racist potty-mouthed 14 year-olds I can find who can p0wn me inside one hour? Nahh. LOL


Nah, that's ok thanks -really.

-GNJ-

That is very true!

Hell, I even heard someone say that banging your competition out of the way and into the wall was just part of playing the game... Sadly, I believe that was in refference to project gotham racing 2.

God forbid Gran Turismo goes online only to find a world of smack-talking, dirty racers.

Hopefully it won't turn out like that, but buy judging what goes on xbox live it probably will

 

[code_kev]

The games on the xbox 360 looked pretty good too I thought...Gears of War etc. I've yet to really see any PS3 games properly.

I hardly say they were ignoring the games, it's a fricking games machine afterall, but I do feel that the marketing and show casing they have been doing has been nothing short of pathetic, making people believe the stuff that kent said.

P.S Kent, get a decent connection and enjoy the wonders of online gaming

Or seeing how many racist potty-mouthed 14 year-olds I can find who can p0wn me inside one hour? Nahh. LOL

Race with people ya know etc, build a list of friends etc who don't talk crap, you get the idea. Idiots can be avoided.

 

[McLaren]

John, people are like that in all online games.
Counter-Strike, Forza, and many others.

CS 1.6 has quite a few people that are like that.
Source however, has been different since I made that long ago change to get Source instead. Source so far, has been great. The occational racism, and such, but the clans servers are well moderated so the games are fun.

 

[JohnBM01]

Perhaps the best statement I seen since my last post was "Microsoft forgot something, ME." This was the claim that Microsoft was more about Internet usage than gameplay. The only way I can attest to this is when I recorded X-Play's review of Project Gotham Racing 2. As a sample, the reviewer, Adam Sessler talked about how the XBOX is always hooked into XBOX Live to update high scores and such in PGR2. I'll probably get bashed for this, but you could say that XBOX Live is the most impoortant feature of the XBOX. Think about it- a console featuring its own online gaming service featuring graphics as great, if not better, than PC graphics. XBOX Live is going from a lobby for online gaming to a lifestyle when the XBOX360 comes around.

The point Kent made in Post #211 really had me harking back to my Gran Turismo 4 experience. To compare Kent and my GT4 experience, here are some highlights of Post #211 by Super Moderator Kent:

when the biggest selling point of your system relies on the net, you may actually be in trouble when compared with a console king like sony

+ key component isn't the system, it's online
+ a system's Internet reliability may be a problem against Sony
+ XBOX360 selling on anything besides the system
+ PS3 sells on the system with online material secondary
+ Sony focused on one's own goals; Microsoft is focused on itself
+ If PS3 features great, if not greater online play over the XBOX360, Microsoft could be in BIG trouble with the XBOX, considering that the online component is the key element of the XBOX and XBOX360

Live4Speed further addressed and complimented Kent's arguments in the post after. Do you think the XBOX360 has messed-up priorities in terms of knowing which is more important (online gaming or solo gaming) compared to the PS3?

 

[725]

I wouldn't say that live gaming is the most important feature, but it is fairly important it has opened a new area of gaming, which I've only experienced with Halo 2 but in my opinion it has made the game better

 

[tha_con]

The games on the xbox 360 looked pretty good too I thought...Gears of War etc. I've yet to really see any PS3 games properly.

I hardly say they were ignoring the games, it's a fricking games machine afterall, but I do feel that the marketing and show casing they have been doing has been nothing short of pathetic, making people believe the stuff that kent said.

P.S Kent, get a decent connection and enjoy the wonders of online gaming



Race with people ya know etc, build a list of friends etc who don't talk crap, you get the idea. Idiots can be avoided.

Code, how can you honestly make such bass ackwards statements? Okay...we all know Gears of War runs on X360. We all know it uses the Unreal 3.0 engine.

We all know that the Unreal 3.0 engine runs just fine on PS3. So how can you DENY that PS3 could possibly "not be capable" of that because you haven't seen it "properly"? Enlighten me.

 

[code_kev]

We all know that the Unreal 3.0 engine runs just fine on PS3. So how can you DENY that PS3 could possibly "not be capable" of that because you haven't seen it "properly"? Enlighten me.

I never said that!! I also just forgot about the PS3 unreal demos, but I knew all along it would easily be capible of running it. All I said was that the xbox 360 games looked cool, and that I can't really judge any PS3 ones because they hardly exist!

 

[Kent]

Well it looks like my previous posts have had an impact... Good, bad, or otherwise, I like it.

Best of E3 on Filter is airing this wensday at 10pm est on G4/techtv.
Check it out if you guys get the chance. 👍

Getting back on a subject mentioned before...
Online gaming, IMO, really is the key component of the new xbox.

The reason this is an issue with me is not because I do not care about online gaming or anything of that nature.

The problem I have with this is that, xbox360 does not seem to be an amazing step-up over the xbox. Instead it just seems like a re-vamped xbox with more online features is being released.

This is fine with me, I don't mind it and I am sure that processing power is being increased somehow.
However, with so much life left in the xbox I find it hard to believe that a new system is needed to keep up with the cutting edge of gaming.

Playstation2 isn't capable to keeping up with modern games.
GT4 is too much for the ps2.
I don't see how the ps2 could keep up with the xbox any longer since it is already falling behind.

So for that matter, I can see a new, far more powerful ps3 being necessary for Sony to release.

MS on the other hand seems to be releasing in an effort to pre-emptively defeat Sony. The problem is simply that Xbox360 doesn't seem to be an evolution in the way the ps3 does.

For that reason alone I believe MS is making a mistake.
The one person I know who has Halo2 and a broad-band connection will not buy a 360... Too much money for a new system when there is so much life left in his current xbox.
(I mean, unless the new box is less than 100 dollars )

Plus, like I said before...
Online gaming from Sony is not bad at all (socom) and once the ps3 is released there will be sufficient processing power for stuff like... Oh, say... GT vision: Online!

 

[725]

You raise some very interesting points there, I agree with your xbox comments though

 

[Jedi2016]

The problem I have with this is that, xbox360 does not seem to be an amazing step-up over the xbox. Instead it just seems like a re-vamped xbox with more online features is being released.

That's about my take on it, too. In fact, I had a feeling it would be that way months before either system was debuted. Because MS is a computer company, and they still look at the Xbox as though it's some sort of pre-manufactured computer rather than a gaming console (just look at it's architecture.. much more similar to a PC than to any console). And in the computer world, the "next greatest thing" is just a tweaked, upgraded version of what came before. Which is exactly what the XB360 is.

 

[Juice476]

Killzone 2 was pre-renderd i can say that for a fact, power wise cant say right now because we dont know what the xbox is realy running or the ps3 for that matter.
The xbox wasnt acutaly playable they used Mac's to play the demo's, personaly i think they are going to drop in x2 512mb GPU and sony will run what i have on my computer wich is x2 256mb but like i said we dont actuly know what it can do.

But for right now with what they said they have under the hood i can tell you KZ2 isnt real time the demo used about 1gig of G ram wich the PS3 couldnt pull off in its state right now.

Micro has more money so they can sell it better and cheaper i think that online organization will be better with the xbox 360 but you have to pay for it so i think this is how it is:

People who are upper middle class and up will get the Xbox 360 because it takes a little more $ to run so everyone else will get the PS3. (same thing happend with xbox and ps2)

I personaly dont care because im going to get them both but i have the money to spend on that.

As for Power vs. Power we will only know for sure when there out.

 

[tha_con]

Killzone 2 was pre-renderd i can say that for a fact, power wise cant say right now because we dont know what the xbox is realy running or the ps3 for that matter.
The xbox wasnt acutaly playable they used Mac's to play the demo's, personaly i think they are going to drop in x2 512mb GPU and sony will run what i have on my computer wich is x2 256mb but like i said we dont actuly know what it can do.

But for right now with what they said they have under the hood i can tell you KZ2 isnt real time the demo used about 1gig of G ram wich the PS3 couldnt pull off in its state right now.

Micro has more money so they can sell it better and cheaper i think that online organization will be better with the xbox 360 but you have to pay for it so i think this is how it is:

People who are upper middle class and up will get the Xbox 360 because it takes a little more $ to run so everyone else will get the PS3. (same thing happend with xbox and ps2)

I personaly dont care because im going to get them both but i have the money to spend on that.

As for Power vs. Power we will only know for sure when there out.

Dood seriously what is your issue? Quit polluting people with false knowledge.

You have aboslutely no idea what you are saying, and while you're not at fault, just read a little bit.

I'm not trying to knock you, but you're just talking jibberish to people. Both specs for both consoles have been finalized. Nothing will change. Xbox360 will have 512MB of total shared system memory between CPU and GPU. Understand that. Not 512 Each.

PS3 will have 512 as well, however half of it is purley dedicated to the GPU.

Neither will have 1GB.

Also, you have no understanding of how the new technology works, I suggest doing some research on the RSX and Cell, also watch the Sony press conference and research what they say, you'll understand it.

 

[Juice476]

Dood seriously what is your issue? Quit polluting people with false knowledge.

You have aboslutely no idea what you are saying, and while you're not at fault, just read a little bit.

I'm not trying to knock you, but you're just talking jibberish to people. Both specs for both consoles have been finalized. Nothing will change. Xbox360 will have 512MB of total shared system memory between CPU and GPU. Understand that. Not 512 Each.

PS3 will have 512 as well, however half of it is purley dedicated to the GPU.

Neither will have 1GB.

Also, you have no understanding of how the new technology works, I suggest doing some research on the RSX and Cell, also watch the Sony press conference and research what they say, you'll understand it.

i said what i said and i stick by it im not going to listen to a Sony press conference becuause its sony there making the system and how do you know what they have or dont have your one of those kind of people who watch the news and actualy belive what you see and you dont understand how to read between the lines and seperate the bull**** from the facts.

and dont come back with somthing like oh well i weided through your BS.

 

[Swift]

i said what i said and i stick by it im not going to listen to a Sony press conference becuause its sony there making the system and how do you know what they have or dont have your one of those kind of people who watch the news and actualy belive what you see and you dont understand how to read between the lines and seperate the bull**** from the facts.

and dont come back with somthing like oh well i weided through your BS.

Well, I'd say that you're a little off base. You had your facts messed up then get upset when someone calls you on it. Generally speaking that's not cool.

Oh, and Sony would be stupid to release false information about the PS3, it would only hurt them. Same with Microsoft and the Xbox 360

 

[tha_con]

i said what i said and i stick by it im not going to listen to a Sony press conference becuause its sony there making the system and how do you know what they have or dont have your one of those kind of people who watch the news and actualy belive what you see and you dont understand how to read between the lines and seperate the bull**** from the facts.

and dont come back with somthing like oh well i weided through your BS.

I don't read between the lines yet your assuming that the Xbox 360, which MS has stated will cost around 300-360, will have 1GB of video memory?

Something that would cost upwards of $1,000, yet you think that's what it will have?

I'm one of "those kind of people"? Yet you know absolutely nothing about the technical workings of either console nor the technology in them, yet I'm one of those kind of people?

I perfectly understand how to seperate propaganda from facts. You, on the otherhand, do not seem capable of such. As you are buying into hype and caliming alligance to a console as if it were your leader.

Video games are videogames. But do some more research.

 

[Jedi2016]

Okay.. let's talk facts, then. How do you know that Killzone was running on a 1GB-RAM system? Were you at Guerilla at the time? Did you poke around inside their dev kit?

 

[Juice476]

Well, I'd say that you're a little off base. You had your facts messed up then get upset when someone calls you on it. Generally speaking that's not cool.

Oh, and Sony would be stupid to release false information about the PS3, it would only hurt them. Same with Microsoft and the Xbox 360

like i said you can belive whatever you want just because you think its fact dosent mean it is.

 

[DuckRacer]

i said what i said and i stick by it im not going to listen to a Sony press conference becuause its sony there making the system and how do you know what they have or dont have your one of those kind of people who watch the news and actualy belive what you see and you dont understand how to read between the lines and seperate the bull**** from the facts.

and dont come back with somthing like oh well i weided through your BS.

Juice...calm down...no need to make a very long sentence either. Makes it harder to read.

My opinion on the subject? I'll wait until the systems come out, look at screenshots, read the reviews, and wait a few months so the prices drop, and then I'll probably end up getting the PS3.

 

[Juice476]

Okay.. let's talk facts, then. How do you know that Killzone was running on a 1GB-RAM system? Were you at Guerilla at the time? Did you poke around inside their dev kit?

how do you think that they make movies like toy story or the super hero one (i cant remember the name) you can tell how much it will use up do you know how much mem Doom 3 ueses more than 512mb KZ3 looked alot more detailed with the AA and the AT as well as the VS now if doom 3 uses that much and this game is better than everyone together now how much would it take to run that in real time

 

[tha_con]

how do you think that they make movies like toy story or the super hero one (i cant remember the name) you can tell how much it will use up do you know how much mem Doom 3 ueses more than 512mb KZ3 looked alot more detailed with the AA and the AT as well as the VS now if doom 3 uses that much and this game is better than everyone together now how much would it take to run that in real time

Again, you display your lack of knowledge.

If you believe that memory is directly proportionate to the performance of a videogame, or it's visuals, you are sorely mistaken. There are many new technology's out there so video games need not be reliant soley on video memory.

Again, I ask that you read and educate yourself.

 

[Jedi2016]

You didn't answer my question. How do you know that Guerilla's dev kit has 1GB memory?

As for the CGI route... I've been doing CGI for a number of years now.. I know CG when I see it. And Killzone was NOT IT.

 

[Swift]

like i said you can belive whatever you want just because you think its fact dosent mean it is.

right. These things are not up for opinion. If you think Xbox or PS3 is better that's fine.

But don't talk specs when you don't have an references to back it up.

 

[Juice476]

I love how everyone is all of a sudden an expert con is in the army all of a sudden and jedi is in cg ha ha ha i love people who lie

 

[tha_con]

I love how everyone is all of a sudden an expert con is in the army all of a sudden and jedi is in cg ha ha ha i love people who lie

Haha, I'm a liar?

I've been in the army since your sophmore year in highschool. I've accomplished more in three years than you will accomplish in 5. I take my job very seriously, If you don't believe I'm in the military fine. If you have AKO, look me up, if you need "proof".

jeremy.ricci@us.army.mil

But whatever, this isn't my case to be on trial.

 

[Jedi2016]

You still didn't answer my question.

Lying, eh? That's funny. I'll admit it's been a while since I've done any full-bore VFX work, but feel free to look around at the LightWave Group (www.lwg3d.org) to see some of my work. I've even made the front page more than once... not easy considering the thousands of members we have there. Not to mention the two films I've done VFX work on.. Richard Hatch's The Great War of Magellan, and Mark Edward Lewis's La Fleur de la Bataille. Along with a fair number of smaller internet films. Do YOU have any such things on YOUR resume?