PS3 vs X-box 360

[barryl85]

I prefer neither, as neither mean anything to me. It's the machines themselves that matter to me, not who makes em.

Good point, thats also how i feel i thought he was relating to ps3 is going to be better but now i see he means just 'sony' i dont just feel the ps3 will be better totally - both will have strengths and weaknesses

 

[BlackZ28]

I'm shocked that you can't see how well Halo was made for it's time, oh well, I guess if it was on the PS2, your opinions of it may be abit different.

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[tha_con]

I really can't be arsed.

Some of those games you mentioned are ground breaking, some are nothing new what so ever, and you also missed games like ICO and VF4 evo.

ICO was good, but it wasn't great, but that's more of a matter of personal opinion, and the reason those games aren't on my list is because they aren't huge hits, I am simply listing games that appeal to the mass of the fanbase and have large success.

That idiot made ninja gaiden, one of the best games of this whole generation.

DOA is not a deep game, but it's certainly a very pretty game.

Itagaki is an idiot, plain and simple, regardless of his work on Ninja Gaiden, if you've EVER read an interview from him you'd know his ego is beyond that of what it should be and he believes none of him games have any faults. And since WHEN Code, WHEN WHEN WHEN (I really want to put profanity here, because you bother me now) do YOU care about visuals? You say it yourself every time, and you always contridict yourself "so what if the game is beautiful, if it plays like crap I don't want it" but then you say "I want reverse lights, otherwise it's just crappy" or "I want tire marks, otherwise it's just lame" or "but it's certainly a very pretty game". You don't even know what YOU want, so please, explain to me how you can be so TWO FACED on so many topics when you twist a debate to your favor CONSTANTLY without ANYthing valuable except opinion.

I'm shocked that you can't see how well Halo was made for it's time, oh well, I guess if it was on the PS2, your opinions of it may be abit different.

Halo wasn't "well made" for it's time, regardless of the console it was on. IT"S JUST ANOTHER FPS. PERIOD. If you want to ride on the game like it's some savior of the genre, fine, but point is, CODE, that it's nothing new, regardless of what you think, it just happens to be the best console FPS out there, but that doesn't make it brilliant, and it certainly doesn't make it will made for it's time.

You also mention the FF games, give me a break. 10 and X2 were pathetic at best. Boring, dull and shallow. Snore.

That's a matter of YOUR personal opinoin, which you keep bringing into the debate, while I maintain my neutral position. I have done my best to keep my personal opinion about games out of it, you however, keep bringing yours up.

I suppose the fact that Gamespot gave it a 9.4 means nothing, or the fact that 7 thousand other people gave it a rating of 9 or higher, or the fact that the 134 people that reviewed it gave it an average rating of 9 or higher, or the fact that is has outsold a lot of other RPG's on the console...I guess that doesn't matter right Code? Because you thought it was boring, so it MUST be true right?

TBH I'm not actually sure why your listing these games...are you trying to prove something?

Here you are again, trying to twist my words out of context because you have this feeling of need for self preservation on these forums like you have some sort of "face" to save.

I listed these games to prove that there are more than just RPG's on a Sony console, as Drifster made it seem with his posts. Had he said that Xbox only had FPS games, I would have quickly corrected him. I do not see why you have this vendetta to stick your nose in my posts so quickly as if you have something to prove. If you are really that insecure about your own opinion, or wahtever console or game you chose to support, please keep it to yourself, but I do not need your nonsense reply's and biased opinions dropped around me as if you were god.

 

[Drillah]

I could give a toss about the hardware either as long as it's a significant advance over thier last console's performace.
I bought a PS2 for GT3 only and finished it to like 98%
Then I bought an Xbox just for Forza. When i'm done iwth that I'll go back to the PS2 for GT4.
Since then I've got a few games for each. Thier both cool systems.
When i see a game that I must play on the 360 or PS3 then I will play it no matter the system. 👍

Halo? MGS? What's that? I still can't play them controller using auto target fps games on a console. mouse and keyboard forever...

 

[code_kev]

ICO was good, but it wasn't great, but that's more of a matter of personal opinion, and the reason those games aren't on my list is because they aren't huge hits, I am simply listing games that appeal to the mass of the fanbase and have large success.

For a game, ICO is as ground breaking as they come. Superb visuals, stunning game play, and beautiful sound. It also has some of the best art direction I've ever seen in a game. There's NOTHING like it. And if your judging games on sales, then surly Halo must PWN TEH BASES! And crap like fifa and the sims.

Itagaki is an idiot, plain and simple, regardless of his work on Ninja Gaiden, if you've EVER read an interview from him you'd know his ego is beyond that of what it should be and he believes none of him games have any faults.

I never said he wasn't an idiot, I've never met him. I just said that because NG rules so much, he can be as much of a tosser as he wants.

And since WHEN Code, WHEN WHEN WHEN (I really want to put profanity here, because you bother me now) do YOU care about visuals? You say it yourself every time, and you always contridict yourself "so what if the game is beautiful, if it plays like crap I don't want it" but then you say "I want reverse lights, otherwise it's just crappy" or "I want tire marks, otherwise it's just lame" or "but it's certainly a very pretty game". You don't even know what YOU want, so please, explain to me how you can be so TWO FACED on so many topics when you twist a debate to your favor CONSTANTLY without ANYthing valuable except opinion.

I said DOA was pretty, not better. Next.

Halo wasn't "well made" for it's time, regardless of the console it was on. IT"S JUST ANOTHER FPS. PERIOD. If you want to ride on the game like it's some savior of the genre, fine, but point is, CODE, that it's nothing new, regardless of what you think, it just happens to be the best console FPS out there, but that doesn't make it brilliant, and it certainly doesn't make it will made for it's time.

Wrong. Going by your "if it's not a new genre it's just another *insert genre*" rule, then GT4 should be "JUST ANOTHER RACING GAME. PERIOD". Oh and Half Life 2 must suck also, "JUST ANOTHER FPS GAME. PERIOD". Oh man, and resident evil 4, man that's crap, "JUST ANOTHER 3d ADVENTURE ZOMBIE SHOOTER. PERIOD".

That's a matter of YOUR personal opinoin, which you keep bringing into the debate, while I maintain my neutral position. I have done my best to keep my personal opinion about games out of it, you however, keep bringing yours up.

You have tried to keep your opinions out of it? OH MAN! You slate Halo saying things OBVIOUSLY based on your own opinion, then come out with that clanger! Come on man, don't take the piss, I never pretended that what I said was ANYTHING but my opinion.

I suppose the fact that Gamespot gave it a 9.4 means nothing, or the fact that 7 thousand other people gave it a rating of 9 or higher, or the fact that the 134 people that reviewed it gave it an average rating of 9 or higher, or the fact that is has outsold a lot of other RPG's on the console...I guess that doesn't matter right Code? Because you thought it was boring, so it MUST be true right?

And I guess the fact that Halo got scores of 9 - 9.7, and that Halo 2 got similar scores, and sold utterly bucket loads means nothing either. I guess that doesn't matter right tha_con? Because you thought it was boring, so it MUST be true right?

Here you are again, trying to twist my words out of context because you have this feeling of need for self preservation on these forums like you have some sort of "face" to save.

I am?

 

[Driftster]

It's completely obvious that there is some extreme bias here (to an unprecedented extent). But that is something that isn't going to change no matter how many facts, or equally biased opinions someone else throws. It's going to come down to the games, if you want to battle it out game vs game, go right ahead, that way the whole "It's just another" Can't be used. Because technically, every game for the PS2/Xbox has been done before, except for games like Automodellista and other horrible sellers/great games just like it.

P.S. Sales figures and "gamespot.com" opinions have absolutely NOTHING to do with how good a game is, gamespot.com has been idiots when it came to scores on more than one occasion because just like you, they're people. People have opinions, make mistakes, and they are there to appeal to their readers, not themselves.

 

[tha_con]

For a game, ICO is as ground breaking as they come. Superb visuals, stunning game play, and beautiful sound. It also has some of the best art direction I've ever seen in a game. There's NOTHING like it. And if your judging games on sales, then surly Halo must PWN TEH BASES! And crap like fifa and the sims.

Never said ICO wasn't groundbreaking, I just said I didn't like it, and stated that was my opinion.

And again you twist more, I stated the games in order to prove there are successful games other than RPG's on the PS2, and PS3 will more than likely follow suit, it was never a matter of judging games. ICO was good, but it was highly underrated, and slept on, it didn't do as well. Hopefully a sequel will do it more justice in the mainstream.

I never said he wasn't an idiot, I've never met him. I just said that because NG rules so much, he can be as much of a tosser as he wants.

Well, his idiocy is the reason DOA never recieves any technical upgrades and continues to be a shallow fighter, NG has nothing to do with that.

I said DOA was pretty, not better. Next.

You said it was pretty after I said it was shallow, as to justify it.

Wrong. Going by your "if it's not a new genre it's just another *insert genre*" rule, then GT4 should be "JUST ANOTHER RACING GAME. PERIOD". Oh and Half Life 2 must suck also, "JUST ANOTHER FPS GAME. PERIOD". Oh man, and resident evil 4, man that's crap, "JUST ANOTHER 3d ADVENTURE ZOMBIE SHOOTER. PERIOD".

GT4 is just another Racing Sim, and HL2 is just another FPS, with amazing physics. And Resident Evil is just another Zombie Shooter, with beautiful visuals, but still has a lackluster story (story is IMO)

You have tried to keep your opinions out of it? OH MAN! You slate Halo saying things OBVIOUSLY based on your own opinion, then come out with that clanger! Come on man, don't take the piss, I never pretended that what I said was ANYTHING but my opinion.

Nothing I have said about Halo is my opinion, I can go find you many FPS that all have the same features as Halo has. What was so revolutionary, code, that made Halo brilliant? Please tell me what made it brilliant. The fact that it was on console? What?

And I guess the fact that Halo got scores of 9 - 9.7, and that Halo 2 got similar scores, and sold utterly bucket loads means nothing either. I guess that doesn't matter right tha_con? Because you thought it was boring, so it MUST be true right?

Again, I never said Halo wasn't a good game, and I never said it didn't do well, I did say, multiple times, that it is NOT revolutionary, and it is NOT brilliant.

I am?

I would think so, but of course, that is my opinion.

 

[tha_con]

It's completely obvious that there is some extreme bias here (to an unprecedented extent). But that is something that isn't going to change no matter how many facts, or equally biased opinions someone else throws. It's going to come down to the games, if you want to battle it out game vs game, go right ahead, that way the whole "It's just another" Can't be used. Because technically, every game for the PS2/Xbox has been done before, except for games like Automodellista and other horrible sellers/great games just like it.

P.S. Sales figures and "gamespot.com" opinions have absolutely NOTHING to do with how good a game is, gamespot.com has been idiots when it came to scores on more than one occasion because just like you, they're people. People have opinions, make mistakes, and they are there to appeal to their readers, not themselves.

So you say they have been idiots...because they have their own opinions...then say the cater to their readers and not themselves?

You do understand how backwards that sentence is right? How can you rate something on your own opinion, something for yourself, and then appeal to the readers? You cannot, unless all of your readers share the same opinion as you.

GS usually has some of the most unbias reviews I have read, and the are generally good when it comes to facts, they do make mistakes, but they do not give credit where credit is not due.

 

[code_kev]

Nothing I have said about Halo is my opinion, I can go find you many FPS that all have the same features as Halo has. What was so revolutionary, code, that made Halo brilliant? Please tell me what made it brilliant. The fact that it was on console? What?

What made it brilliant? The whole package made it brilliant, it did things in a way that was frankly far better then most pc games, such as the implementation of vehicles, the great AI, and the multiplayer. I agree, it didn't do many things that new, but it was HOW it was done, the game just had a cool aptmosphere about it, fun characters, and interesting combat situations (allthough there was some terrible repetition). Halo really was quite different to any other shooter of the time, the shield system, only 2 guns at a time, huge open DETAILED levels with smooth transitions in to equally detailed interiors (no project IGI style crap here), I could go on, but I cba, I'm watching dvds. Games like Alien vs Pred 2 etc, that came out at the same time feel pretty rubbish compared to it. It may not be the BEST game EV0R, but me, and ALOT of people I know have had countless hours of fun on it, more then any other console game. I just like Halo, I've had loads of fun on it with mates, and that's what matters.

Well, his idiocy is the reason DOA never recieves any technical upgrades and continues to be a shallow fighter

It's not supposed to be a technical fighting game. It's a "COO I just kicked him through the window side ways, coorrr aint the graphics nice" kinda game. It's big and dumb, but quite fun. OFC I'd take soul cal 2, and VF4 evo over it anyday. Tekken is just crap though.

 

[tha_con]

What made it brilliant? The whole package made it brilliant, it did things in a way that was frankly far better then most pc games, such as the implementation of vehicles, the great AI, and the multiplayer. I agree, it didn't do many things that new, but it was HOW it was done, the game just had a cool aptmosphere about it, fun characters, and interesting combat situations (allthough there was some terrible repetition). Halo really was quite different to any other shooter of the time, the shield system, only 2 guns at a time, huge open DETAILED levels with smooth transitions in to equally detailed interiors (no project IGI style crap here), I could go on, but I cba, I'm watching dvds. Games like Alien vs Pred 2 etc, that came out at the same time feel pretty rubbish compared to it. It may not be the BEST game EV0R, but me, and ALOT of people I know have had countless hours of fun on it, more then any other console game. I just like Halo, I've had loads of fun on it with mates, and that's what matters.



It's not supposed to be a technical fighting game. It's a "COO I just kicked him through the window side ways, coorrr aint the graphics nice" kinda game. It's big and dumb, but quite fun. OFC I'd take soul cal 2, and VF4 evo over it anyday. Tekken is just crap though.

HAHA...tekken is crap? I doubt you've even gotten deep enough into the fighting system to make a statement like that, please explain to me what is crap about it.

As for DOA not being ment to be a technical fighting game, Itagaki will beg to differ, as he always say's how "highly competitive his game is" and how "deep the combat system is" when in reality the reversal and throw system are all that drive the game.

Tekken has MUCH depth to it, and it's more about how you play, and it's very easy to seperate the men from the boy's, just as it is with VF4. The problem with VF4, IMO (yes, my opinion) was that it was just too sluggish in comparison, the pace wasn't fast enough to me.

And I agree about SC, it's an awesome series, and I think SC3 is going to be freaking awesome, the customizations are just amazing.

But please, don't call Tekken crap if you have little interest in fighting games, or don't understand the fighting system.

 

[EvilToast]

yeah how can tekken be crap its one of the best fighting games out there, i have both DOA and tekken i also own VF4, but i still always come back to tekken, please explain to me how its crap?

 

[a6m5]

Yeah, I've never played Tekken, but by the amount of following that game had, I'd say it must've been almost as good as my favorite fighting game, Street Fighter II.

 

[BlackZ28]

street fighter kicks ass a6m5!
I played that game 24/7 on my old Panasonic 3DO

 

[a6m5]

street fighter kicks ass a6m5!
I played that game 24/7 on my old Panasonic 3DO

3DO! Didn't that thing cost like $7000? I didn't even know 3DO had SFII. Street Fighter is the only fighting game I ever got into, not counting the prehistoric ones on NES.

 

[Driftster]

I have to agree that SFII beats all the afforimentioned games.

Tekken is just "rehashed" SF after all

 

[tha_con]

I have to agree that SFII beats all the afforimentioned games.

Tekken is just "rehashed" SF after all

n00b!

How can you even begin to compare a 3D fighter with side stepping, and more hit properties than a 2D fighter? Seriously you are the biggest joke on this forum.

First you tell me DMC isn't hard, "at all"

Now you're saying that a 3D fighter is a rehash of a 2D fighter?

LOL.

 

[Driftster]

Hah "more hit properties" Now you're bringing in aspects of a game like that? However with your list of games there were many of those "aspects" that were horrible and many other games had better examples of it.
more hit properties, you've got to be kidding me.


If you found DMC hard then it's obvious that you lack in the hand eye coordination aspect of life, because DMC is an EXTREMELY easy game. Go ahead and continue "thinking" DMC is this challenge, but just because it was a challenge for you doesn't mean it was a difficult game ok buddeh?

Yeah, 3d fighters are rehashed 2d fighters, you know why? because they're fighters. If Halo is a rehashed FPS, because it's "FPS" then a fighting game is just ripping off another fighting game.

Game's got one key protagonist, one key antagonist, a bland story, and uninventive styles of fighting, not to mention the "huge breasted vixen" It's all rehashed in the same format Halo's been rehashed....In Your own opinion that is...

 

[code_kev]

please explain to me how its crap

Because it's boring. Arse to play and very slow. VF4 evo while not the fastest, has brilliant game play, and a fantastic combat system with better hit properties (). But seriously, I just find Tekken slow, bland and dull. The Virtua Fighter games, and Soul Blade series have allways been far far far better.

And street fighter pwns, imo Street fighter alpha 2 was the daddy!

 

[EvilToast]

ok so its crap because its slow, thats a personal opinion and if we're gonna go that way, then halo sucks on my opinion and i've play a lot of it, and x-box games are POS because the variety is not there, and its all just ZoMg W3 H@v3 T0 B3@t S0nY B3c@uS3 W3'r3 M1Cr0$0Ft Z0mG. i've tried to stay neutral for a while now, but you and drifster are such fanboys I swear.

 

[code_kev]

What kind of fanboy am I now then? A Virtua Fighter 4 evo fan boy? ITS CALLED AN OPINION. See, I can see that Tekken is quite well made, but PERSONALLY, I, that's me, don't like it. You call me a fanboy, but you fail to realise that the game I think is BETTER then Tekken is only on the PS2. Your a n00b.

and x-box games are POS because the variety is not there

Your also a clown. Considering that most of the games are multiformat, this statement is a joke.

ok so its crap because its slow

No it's just a very overated, sub standard beat em up. Honestly, I just don't like how it plays. The soul cal games have allways been better, far more interesting, faster etc

 

[EvilToast]

lol you call me a noob ha you're the biggest joke here, every single post by you is how omg halo rules or forza owns, you are a fanboy no matter how hard you try to deny it you are an xbox fanboy if you truly are stupid enough to not realize it yourself, so DOA is better because its a multiplatformer? lol you contradict yourself, you say halo is the greatest fps evha yet its an xbox game, lol you are the noob here. and you get mad when people say the ps3 is going to be better than the 360, you call them ps3 fanboys and then say i'm gonna wait till both systems come out, lol your bias is so obvious don't deny you're a fanboy.

 

[Dave A]

I think the point with multi platform games on the PS2 and X-Box is that they're usually better on the X-Box. I never bought an XB because Forza just wasn't worth me spending the money for the console and I'd want a wheel as well, I already had the DFP and I thought it wasn't worth it. Kev sounds like an XB fanboy because he's surrounded by PS2 ones, in reality he prefers the XB to PS2 but he doesn't give a rats ass who the console is made by, he just decides which is best by the games found on them.

 

[LaBounti]

I only kept my Xbox for Forza, but its awful menu system, limited races(lots but the same cars), lack luster analogue controls that feel and look digital are keeping me from playing. I got it partly because I love racing games and it has my car in it, the Mazda 3 5-door. I even used the free two month Xbox live thing and it made me realsize the AI aint so bad after all. Of course i canceled my subscription. No reason to keep it.

I prefer Tekken 5 over VF4. Tekken is more fun to play with groupes of people. VF4 just ends up ppk kkk matches. Code have you even played Tekken 5? To say its crap is a bit much.

 

[KENJIusa]

Arse to play and very slow. VF4 evo while not the fastest, has brilliant game play, and a fantastic combat system with better hit properties ().

right, I personally think that VF4 Evo is the best fightting game out there. Period. I am in the quest mode wit Jacky , my rank is Gladiator and DAMN, I am having a tough time with all the protectors, guardians, and champions....

 

[code_kev]

lol you call me a noob ha you're the biggest joke here, every single post by you is how omg halo rules or forza owns

Every single post? Even this one, a post dedicated to ripping you apart?

, you are a fanboy no matter how hard you try to deny it you are an xbox fanboy if you truly are stupid enough to not realize it yourself, so DOA is better because its a multiplatformer?

DOA is not multiplatformer, and no, it's NOT better, READ what I say, I said it was SHALLOW but pretty, nothing more, nothing less. So I'm a fanboy eh? I'm a fanboy because I think the xbox is a better machine? Right. If you want.

lol you contradict yourself, you say halo is the greatest fps evha yet its an xbox game, lol you are the noob here.

I have NEVER called halo the best FPS ever, but I think it's a great game. I don't see you crying at anyone who says killzone pwns. You sir find the need to make stuff up to back up points that don't actually exist.

and you get mad when people say the ps3 is going to be better than the 360, you call them ps3 fanboys and then say i'm gonna wait till both systems come out, lol your bias is so obvious don't deny you're a fanboy.

LOLZ! MY BIAZ IZ Z0000 OBVIOS!!!11!

I think that anyone who says that either is better is a fool. Simple as. I hope that your next post doesn't make you sound 12.

Code have you even played Tekken 5? To say its crap is a bit much.

I've played it for about 40 minutes at a friends house. I've just never liked em. It's a well made game, and I can see why people like it, but the system just...ugh it's not for me.

 

[EvilToast]

ZoMg Yuu R1ip3d M3 @p@rt Z00 G00d lol, you never said halo is the best fps ever, scroll up genius and read your own words for yourself or is it that you have an evil clone that typed that and not you. LOL DOA IS NOT A MULTIPLATFORMER lol the i must own the illegal ps2 version then, n()()b. i know the x-box is the better system, but ps2 has the better games.

 

[code_kev]

Rather then scrolling up, I want you to quote me. I said it was better then FPS games at the time, not the best FPS ever. Learn to read.

And DOA for the past 3 years or so has been xbox only. I was OFC refering to DOA 3. I'm fully aware of DOA on the sega saturn, DOA2 on the ps2 and DC, and DOA3 and ultimate edition on the xbox.

or is it that you have an evil clone that typed that and not you

Your attempt at humour was pathetic.

"I hope that your next post doesn't make you sound 12. "

Well you failed, good luck on the next one.

I'm such a fanboy that some of my fave games are on the PS2. Your an idiot.

 

[Swift]

Because it's boring. Arse to play and very slow. VF4 evo while not the fastest, has brilliant game play, and a fantastic combat system with better hit properties (). But seriously, I just find Tekken slow, bland and dull. The Virtua Fighter games, and Soul Blade series have allways been far far far better.

And street fighter pwns, imo Street fighter alpha 2 was the daddy!

The thing that's funny about that is that Namco makes both Soul Calibur and Tekken. Infact, those games share teammates.

But I can understand someone not liking Tekken or any other fighting game. I find VF incredibly boring. But I can play Tekken Tag Tournament or DOA 2(tag team) for hours.

BTW, Alpha 3 was the best. Just so you know!

 

[Joey D]

3DO! Didn't that thing cost like $7000? I didn't even know 3DO had SFII. Street Fighter is the only fighting game I ever got into, not counting the prehistoric ones on NES.

Holy Jesus someone else actually remembers the 3DO? I still have mine .

 

[tha_con]

Code: You obviously know nothing about tekken period, and I don't mean that as an insult, but for you to call the gameplay slow is hilarious to me, because you have never gotten deep enough to play it at a fast pace. VF4 and T5 move at nearly the same speed, the biggest difference is frame properties, VF4 has a wider range of short frame animations, while tekken 5 has a mixed bag of both short frame and long frame.

But please, explain to me how a 7-10 frame jab average for most characters is slow? It's so obvious that you have your bias set from a prior experience, and it's clear you have never given tekken a chance to be a fighter.

The game is very fast paced, but for people of a lower skill level, i.e. you, it seems slow (at least you think so, I don't).

Also Code, first you come out and say "Tekken Is Crap" then you say "it's very well made"...make up your mind. You do understand that the Tekken 5 fighting engine and the SC engine are VERY similar don't you? That most of they physics and hit properties are nearly identicle. I can go on and on, but it's clear you have your mind made up, so my arguements in this thread stop here.

Drifster: You are such a moron. Hit properties, as in Damage from the side, from the back, high, mid, low, mid special (hit's mid and low), air moves, air throws, juggle properties that differ from the axis you are on (front, side, rear). These are NOT all present in 2D fighters, because you only have front and back, with juggle properties, but side hit properties and walls etc are not a factor as much as they are in a 3D fighter, you only have 2 walls.

DMC may have been "easy" but it's CLEAR you have not played Heaven or Hell, or even Dante Must Die for that matter. Don't try to showboat your selfproclaimed skill, Tekken requires MUCH more Hand Eye cordination than DMC, and believe me, if and when the series goes online, feel free to rent it and I will make you eat your words. You don't even know me. Visit www.tekkenzaibatsu.com and ask some of the people there, I promise you will be shut up in a matter of secconds. You know nothing of what you speak about.