PS4 should it be simple or complicated ?.

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Personally i think it should just be a games machine.Therefore no cooling problems and can add big powerful chips etc.Don't want backwards compatibility either.What do you think ?.Hope you have a Merry Xmas & new year, if i don't see you here :).

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The Playstation has always been a multimedia center and a gaming machine, they shouldn't change that for the PS4.
 
Multimedia functionality and backwards compatibility don't do anything in regards system heat output or complication. For over half a decade the hardware in modern computers (GPUs, CPUs, etc.) have had multimedia functionality built in simply because they can do it by default, and there would be no advantage to taking that hardware and removing that functionality before putting it in a console.
 
Hopefully they learn from the last time and make it a gaming machine first and multimedia second. I want it as cheap as they can get it and still play great games, and blu ray movies. We don't need 10 different card readers, and backward compatibility, and all the stuff that 95% of the people don't even know what it does. If they really want to go the multimedia route again, they need to offer 2 models, and go all out for the multi media. Offer it as a AVR with a decent built in amp, that you can really use as your multimedia center, and charge over 2k for it. I would love to have my gaming machine and AVR in one.
 
I disagree about not needing backwards compatibility. Not being able to play PS2 games on my PS3 still irritates me. I had hoped when buying the PS3 that it wouldn't actually be that big a deal, but it turns out that there have been numerous occasions where the ability to play PS2 games on the PS3 would have been great.

If the PS4 doesn't have backwards compatibility with at least most PS3 games, it will be a serious mark against it for me. Personally, I think they should be designing the hardware with BC in mind.
 
I think it will be a pretty straightforward evolution of the PS3. It's a good system and some developers have shown what it is truly capable of. There does need to be a way of helping the rest of the developers out there to catch up though.
 
Don't think backwards compatibility will be a main concern for Sony. Hope I'm wrong.

Far too much money to be made by getting you to download them all again.

Just my opinion.
 
I believe that Sony should take a good look at Apple. It should be a multimedia machine, wrapped up in a simple form.

Apple has shown us that simplicity sells.
 
Price is important factor for average consumers :ouch: but I really hope it is big upgrade. I do not mind 600$ if it good. Lot of memory, ram. They will probably use faster cell processor and hopefully a reasonably latest graphics chip from nvidia. Latest BR tech, optical drive. Backword compatibility is pretty important.
 
Personally I think the PS3 Slim is quite good; it has a lot of in-depth features, and I'd like to keep it that way.
 
I think they're ignoring backwards compatibility at their own peril. It would make it a much easier sell to anyone who never bought a PS3 if they could say, "So you can have all the games we release for PS4 PLUS everything that was ever on PS3, PS2 and PSOne!" Instead of a launch library of like 30 games, that's like a couple thousand.

It would make the transition less of a hurdle for people who regularly play multiplayer on current gen systems if they could move right to the next gen system and still keep all their stats, and continue to play whatever games. I mean, this has been a long generation and a lot of people are all about their online presence, it's going to be a much tougher sale this time around if they force people to create new online handles.
 
Ever hear the old saying "Keep it simple, stupid"? I know there's a lot of "gamers" who always say "Make it HARDER to use! It's not advanced if I'm not pulling my hair out in frustration!!", however I think that will only alienate a lot of consumers.
 
I couldn't care less about backwards compatability. I will pay more though if they put good hardware in it.

I'm wondering what disc format they will go with. Never have they used the current popular format available. They used dvd while the n64 used cartridges, they used Blu-ray when xbox used dvd and now what? I heard there was a new type of disc being researched but never heard of anything more. I wonder how much memory that new disc would have...

Here is an article on it.

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/01/11/sony-working-on-new-disc-format-possibly-for-ps4/


3 TB storage capacity!!
 
I almost wonder if they'll drop discs altogether... PSP go? PS VITA? They really look like they like the Digital thing. I'm sure they'll leave the disc drive to maintain backwards compatibility, Blu-Ray Movies, etc.. But I think they'll be making a push for downloaded games...

Edit: Which will be annoying on release day as everyone tries to download a 30+GB game... Lag much? Suddenly this doesn't sound like a great idea... Maybe not lol
 
hawkeye122
I almost wonder if they'll drop discs altogether... PSP go? PS VITA? They really look like they like the Digital thing. I'm sure they'll leave the disc drive to maintain backwards compatibility, Blu-Ray Movies, etc.. But I think they'll be making a push for downloaded games...
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I'd doubt it. A hard drive big enough would skyrocket the price. Not this generation in my opinion.
 
CMvan46
I'd doubt it. A hard drive big enough would skyrocket the price. Not this generation in my opinion.
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Also a good point...
Well, a 1 TB hard drive is only about $90-ish? I'm sure by that point the price will have come down further, it's still possible.
 
hawkeye122
Also a good point...
Well, a 1 TB hard drive is only about $90-ish? I'm sure by that point the price will have come down further, it's still possible.
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But with the size of games coming up that 1 TB is tiny. It is possible though
 
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I almost wonder if they'll drop discs altogether... PSP go? PS VITA? They really look like they like the Digital thing. I'm sure they'll leave the disc drive to maintain backwards compatibility, Blu-Ray Movies, etc.. But I think they'll be making a push for downloaded games...

Edit: Which will be annoying on release day as everyone tries to download a 30+GB game... Lag much? Suddenly this doesn't sound like a great idea... Maybe not lol
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I was talking about this with a friend of mine recently, and it seems we agree with you. The internet infrastructure just isn't there yet to support a completely digital format. Google recently announced plans for a 1TB per sec. internet service in (of all places) Kansas City, Kansas, in an effort to push the technology forward. While that may sound promising, the United States still lags behind, I kid you not, Romania and Bulgaria in terns of internet connection speeds. Also, now internet providers in the US want to start charging not by service, but by usage. And consider that games are going to be getting bigger, and not smaller.
 
hawkeye122
Also a good point...
Well, a 1 TB hard drive is only about $90-ish? I'm sure by that point the price will have come down further, it's still possible.
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So if games are 50GB each, I can only own 20 games before my PS4 is full? What do I do then? Hell, I own more than 20 games for PS3, and I bet I'm not the only one.

There's no way Sony would put an upper limit on purchases like that.
 
I would like the PS4 to be simpler, the PS3 was really just a trojan horse for Blu Ray domination and it was way too overcomplicated in the beginning. It really didn't know what it wanted to be and the gaming aspect kind of took a backseat (especially when developers initially couldn't dev for it easily).

If they go totally cloud (not likely) is a definite no buy for me. I think it will use BD-XL as the game medium. I really hope they get the whole strategy right next time because after my experience with the PS3 I'm not looking to buy a console from them again.
 
It should be simple and powerful:

Hexa-core processor of 3.4Ghz or higher
8GB DDR3 ram
Custom graphics chip on par with the upcoming nVidia 700 series (see their road map) with 4GB of dedicated ram.
Low-noise cooling system (either air or closed water/liquid system)
120GB SSD or 1TB Seagate Momentus XT hybrid drive
4 USB 3.0 ports
Dualband Wifi-A/G/N
Bluetooth 4.0
1Gb ethernet
Card-reader
HDMI 1.4a
Optical Out (with support for all Dolby Digital and DTS codecs)
Headset Out (3.5mm headphone and 3.5mm microphone ports)
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I am sure I am forgetting a few things, but this would be a hell of a machine if possible.
 
That's a lot of ram for a games system. It does need an SSD though.

IMO it should have some backwards compatibility but I don't know how hard those things are to implement. But as for a media center it's absolutely fine it just needs to be quieter.
 
Toronado
Multimedia functionality and backwards compatibility don't do anything in regards system heat output or complication. For over half a decade the hardware in modern computers (GPUs, CPUs, etc.) have had multimedia functionality built in simply because they can do it by default, and there would be no advantage to taking that hardware and removing that functionality before putting it in a console.
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Playstation 3 used to have backwards compatibility, but they took it out because they figured out it would cost $20 more per Playstation for them to put it in. So yes, its not just as simple as leaving it in or taking it out.
 
I wonder if they will turbo it and add liquid cooling.Would be great if it were a triple/quad core system.
 
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Robin.
If they go totally cloud (not likely) is a definite no buy for me. I think it will use BD-XL as the game medium. I really hope they get the whole strategy right next time because after my experience with the PS3 I'm not looking to buy a console from them again.
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Excatly. People have bandwidth limits, and games can be 10gb... Which is my (current) limit per month. What's more, where I live it'd be quicker to drive to the shops, buy the game, and come home than to download it...
 
Owen.C93
That's a lot of ram for a games system. It does need an SSD though.

IMO it should have some backwards compatibility but I don't know how hard those things are to implement. But as for a media center it's absolutely fine it just needs to be quieter.
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Why the heck spare on RAM when its dirt cheap nowadays? Besides, it was the biggest complaint of game devs. So give them ram to spare.


ryanb98
Excatly. People have bandwidth limits, and games can be 10gb... Which is my (current) limit per month. What's more, where I live it'd be quicker to drive to the shops, buy the game, and come home than to download it...
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There are also those in the world who have a connection of 120Mbit/s Down and 10Mbit/s up with no limit per month what so ever. Plus the speed will be doubled next year I believe. So I think some parts of the world are falling behind a lot with limits and speeds. Maybe this will be a good incentive for the providers with those old fashioned rules to broaden their views a bit. ;)
 
Whatever the PS4 will be I wont buy the weak and buggy one at D1.
I'll wait for a fixed version and of course it must worth the money compared to next years powerful pc's.
 
Schwartz38
Playstation 3 used to have backwards compatibility, but they took it out because they figured out it would cost $20 more per Playstation for them to put it in. So yes, its not just as simple as leaving it in or taking it out.
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Actually it is. It simply depends on the hardware chosen to build the system around.
 
Logiforce I like that build, I'd be happy with that. I too agree 8 gb at the minimum. It's so cheap (can't imagine what it would cost bulk) why not throw 8 or more in? If Devs don't use it all by the end of the console generation then fine but why limit it on such a cheap product?

http://playstationlifestyle.net/2010/01/11/sony-working-on-new-disc-format-possibly-for-ps4/

That link is about the new disc being researched. 3 TB of storage on a disc.... Good God! I don't think we will see cloud gaming yet I really really don't think so.

I think the PS store will get a huge revamp and more games will be offered digitally but I still think discs will be the main medium.
 
Robin.
I would like the PS4 to be simpler, the PS3 was really just a trojan horse for Blu Ray domination and it was way too overcomplicated in the beginning. It really didn't know what it wanted to be and the gaming aspect kind of took a backseat (especially when developers initially couldn't dev for it easily).

If they go totally cloud (not likely) is a definite no buy for me. I think it will use BD-XL as the game medium. I really hope they get the whole strategy right next time because after my experience with the PS3 I'm not looking to buy a console from them again.
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Trojan Horse? Are you familiar with the story of the Trojan Horse? The Greeks concealed themselves inside the horse, and it was brought into the city of Troy, because they thought it was a "gift from the Gods". While the city slept, the Greeks emerged from the horse and took the city. At what point was Blu Ray "concealed" in the PS3? I never once said "Oh my god! There's a Blu Ray player in this thing? I never knew that! How dare they!!". You knew there was a Blu Ray player in it. Sony never once concealed that fact from anyone. What they did was use the PS3 as a SPRINGBOARD for Blu Ray. There's a world of difference. This whole thing about the PS3 being a Trojan Horse is yet another false perception that's been perpetuated and reinforced by gamers.

As far as cloud gaming, it's a pipe dream. And if Time Warner and other cable companies want to restrict bandwidth, discs will be with us for the foreseeable future.
 
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