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[CSLACR]

Test Specs - Not Final​

Castrol Tom's Supra Test Spec: 1150kg / 614PP Stock(no power adders needed)

Yellowhat YMW Supra Test Spec: 1100kg / 605PP / Engine Stage 3

Motul Autech GTR Test Spec: 1150kg / 607PP / Engine Stage 3

Advan/Yellowhat/Calsonic/etc GTR Test Spec: 1150kg / 608PP / Stage 2 Turbo

Takata/Arta/Raybrig NSX Test Spec: 1125kg / 603PP / Engine Stage 3

Denso/Petronas SC430 Test Spec: 1150kg / 607PP / Stage 2 Turbo

Bandai/Enos SC430 Test Spec: 1100kg / 610PP / Stage 2 Turbo

Nissan Xanavi Nismo Z Test Spec: 1150kg / 614PP / Stock(no power adders needed)

Stealth GTR Test Spec: 1150kg / 607PP / Stock(no power adders needed)

Stealth NSX Test Spec: TBD (stock specs, anyone?)


I still have doubts about the Enos and maybe even Bandai SC430's, but they should be quicker straight line and in slower corners now, it might be enough to pull them back into the running.

 

[NEPALII]

The Lexus should be a little faster than the GT-R at the current spec of 612p. Spa should be a Lexus track.

With aero maxed at 610 it should be almost dead even, at least we'd think. Break in the car fully and keep on at it, thanks Minion 👍

Lol, ok, really off to work this time, bai!

Lapierre holds the fastest lap at Spa on his GTR with a 2.14.9. I got down to 2.15.1 in my Lexus. I lose on the straights but catch up on the turns. I tried the GTR, on stock tune, and managed a surprising 2.15.7. I think with proper setup I can break into 2.14s, as with the Lexus Im struggling and Im using the WSGTC setup/car. But hey could just be me. For me, the Lexus suits very well on tracks like Tsukuba or Laguna, not many straights.

 

[lapierre4]

Ok so with the testing I did today, I can say that 2'13.5 is possible in the YellowHat GT-R compared to a mid 2'14 for the Bandai Direzza Lexus. That's as far as I know at the moment.

 

[Wardez]

Possible, in that you got close? What's the fastest time anyone hit, spec and car?

 

[OwensRacing]

Ok so with the testing I did today, I can say that 2'13.5 is possible in the YellowHat GT-R compared to a mid 2'14 for the Bandai Direzza Lexus. That's as far as I know at the moment.

13's is moving.

 

[CSLACR]

Possible, in that you got close? What's the fastest time anyone hit, spec and car?

That I know he hit 14.5 in the GTR in stock form.
My best is 15.4 in stock GTR

13's would/will be nuts, I'd be happy to get 14.9 with a stock GTR.

 

[redreevos]

Possible, in that you got close? What's the fastest time anyone hit, spec and car?

LP is fast as usual..

The best I hit was with the Takata NSX. I could hit high 14.9's with that one, no ballast and 607pp. I hit a 14.7 with draft, ballast, and I believe 604pp.

I am honestly not sure what my other times were, I was just trying to get used to the different lines. All of the cars other than the NSX feel similar to me... but the NSX just feels so different, and is what I am used to.

I need to learn to be more aggressive with the cars other than the NSX. The NSX I have learned to tip-toe through the tricky turns.

But really, this course should be an NSX course. If its handicap doesn't allow it to be fast here, it will be in trouble on tracks like Monaco, Tsukuba, etc..

 

[lapierre4]

With tires and fuel depletion at off I did a 2'13.7 alone so no draft, and also it was in a race with penalties on so no cutting. This means that people like TimeAttack and SuperSic (and maybe some other aliens that I don't know) will surely come up with a 2'13.5 if not lower than that.

 

[Denilson]

outlaw4c: That's sad.
Should I remove you completely, or would you be able to make some races as a stand in/reserve/privteer/customer driver?


Regarding the cars:
How about adding 30 kg to:
Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R
Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Honda TAKATA DOME NSX
Honda RAYBRIG NSX
Honda ARTA NSX
Lexus DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430
Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430

80 kg to:
Nissan STEALTH GT500 GT-R
Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX

This would make our car sheet look like:

Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R, Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R, Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R, Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Bhp: 518
Weight: 1130 kg
PP: 607 (With Full Aero)
PL: 100%
Allowed mods: Ridgity Improvement

Nissan STEALTH GT500 GT-R
Bhp: -
Weight: 1130
PP: 607
PL: -
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

Honda ARTA NSX, Honda RAYBRIG NSX, Honda TAKATA DOME NSX
Bhp: RAYBRIG: 539 | TAKATA DOME/ARTA: 538
Weight: 1130 kg
PP: 607 (With Full Aero)
PL: RAYBRIG: 99,9% | TAKATA DOME/ARTA: 98,7%
Allowed Mods: Engine Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

Honda STEALTH GT500 NSX
Bhp: -
Weight: 1130 kg
PP: 607
PL: -
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

Lexus DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430, Lexus PETRONAS TOM'S SC430
Bhp: 513
Weight: 1130 kg
PP: 609 (With Full Aero)
PL: 95,2%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Nissan XANAVI NISMO Z
Bhp: 502
Weight: 1130 kg
PP: 614
PL: 93,9%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

Toyota YELLOWHAT SUPRA
Bhp: 534
Weight: 1090 kg
PP: 608
PL: 100%
Allowed Mods: Engine Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement

Toyota CASTROL TOM'S SUPRA
Bhp: 517
Weight: 1150 kg
PP: 617
PL: 100%
Allowed Mods: Ridgity Improvement

What separate the cars above from the cars below is that the suggested mods/tweaks/specs for the car below is only a rough estimation from my part. And also the cars that are hard to get on par. So please, help me out with some tests. 👍

Lexus ENEOS SC430
Bhp: 550
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 614
PL: 90,4%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Bhp: 540
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 615
PL: 89,7%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

Nissan WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R
Bhp: 535
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 611
PL: 85,5%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

Honda EPSON NSX
Bhp: 553
Weight: 1190
PP: 610
PL: 91,0%
Allowed Mods: Engine Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement



IMPORTANT NOTE:
When you set up your car according to this list (or any PURE JGTS specs sheet for that matter), make sure:
1. That your car is fully run in.
2. That your car got fresh oil.
3. That we are using "Bhp", not "Hp".
4. That when you look at your engines output, it's the numbers you'll see when in the settings menu that counts.
I.e: The ARTA NSX show 537 Bhp when viewed in your car list, but show 538 Bhp when viewed in the settings menu.
Settings Menu is what show the correct values, and is therefore the one PURE JGTS use.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Group A:
Nissan CALSONIC IMPUL GT-R
Nissan XANAVI NISMO GT-R
Nissan YELLOWHAT YMS TOMICA GT-R
Nissan STEALTH GT500 GT-R
--

Nissan AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
Nissan ADVAN CLARION GT-R

should really keep those two separate as they are different tune than the triplet '08s.

If we don't do it this way, th elists will look like this.
1. TAKATA DOME NSX
2. ARTA NSX
3. RAYBRIG NSX

Don't know if I really see anything wrong with that.
But if we're doing groups it should be pick a car from each group, not just pick a group letter. Since I know my decisions also involve aesthetics.

With tires and fuel depletion at off I did a 2'13.7 alone so no draft, and also it was in a race with penalties on so no cutting. This means that people like TimeAttack and SuperSic (and maybe some other aliens that I don't know) will surely come up with a 2'13.5 if not lower than that.

You guys are nuts as usual. I want your left foot LP; I watched the replay of the last two races we ran when you were tearing around in the yellowhat. You always brake at least a meter closer to the corner than I think possible.

got down to 15.2 with the motul and 15.7 with the tommy Supra. So I'm certainly pleased with myself. Think I finally know my way around spa at least. This series is going to be hot.

 

[OutlawQuadrnt]

outlaw4c: That's sad.
Should I remove you completely, or would you be able to make some races as a stand in/reserve/privteer/customer driver?

Take me off completely, I'm afraid. It's either this or watch (American)football and the time just doesn't work out of me.

 

[CSLACR]

Nissan WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R
Bhp: 535
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 611
PL: 85,5%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

Honda EPSON NSX
Bhp: 553
Weight: 1190
PP: 610
PL: 91,0%
Allowed Mods: Engine Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

I thought the Advan was the same as the rest? Guess I'll check mine then.

Why 40kg added to the Epson?

Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Bhp: 550
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 614
PL: 90,4%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

Lexus BANDAI DIREZZA SC430
Bhp: 540
Weight: 1100 kg
PP: 615
PL: 89,7%
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 3, Ridgity Improvement

One is the Enos, just don't know which.

 

[Wardez]

The Woodone GT-R used different tires than the other GT-Rs in GT5 so PD kind of nerfed its ability for some reason.

 

[Denilson]

Dr_Watson:
The AUTECH MOTUL GT-R run identical fighures as the other 3, that's why it's in the same group.

Don't know where the WOODONE ADVAN CLARION GT-R will end up like.
When I put a car in a sertain group, it's because the cars in it are close to identical.
And I can't see the AUTECH and WOODONE be that close to eachother.


I can def go with the 1 car/group alternative. But if 3 want the DENSO DUNLOP, shoul'nt the PETRONAS be open as an alternetive?
How about we post wich group we want, with the addition of our prefered car within that group:

Would look like this:

Denilson
1. A (AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
2. C (TAKATA DOME NSX)
3. D (DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430)

And if more than 2 drivers want the same car, you can reach a mutual agreement or the admins can salve the issue if no one can imagine to drive another car within the same group.

Deal?

 

[Denilson]

CSLACR: 550 Bhp is ENEOS

I gave the EPSON NSX 40 kg because it's more tailhappy than the others, put the weight in the front, and added some power. In that way, I believe that it will handle better, and the weight will help reduce the acceleration.
But then again, the 4 cars in the bottom of the list is just rough estimations.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Dr_Watson:
Would look like this:

Denilson
1. A (AUTECH MOTUL GT-R
2. C (TAKATA DOME NSX)
3. D (DENSO DUNLOP SARD SC430)

And if more than 2 drivers want the same car, you can reach a mutual agreement or the admins can salve the issue if no one can imagine to drive another car within the same group.

Deal?

sounds good.

btw... just tossing this out there.
If you wanted I could pretty easily put together an auto-draft (data analysis is part of what I do for a living).
Everyone orders there top 5 cars (if they're all skylines, so be it). Then I could generate a report that goes through all the possible permutations and picks car assignments that make sure that everyone gets the highest choice possible on their list...
so, that's an option if you want it.

 

[Denilson]

Sounds awesome!! 👍

But is it really that complicated?
I meen, it sounds like those programs you're working with are for more complex issues.

What we did when assigning cars in WSGTC, we simply asked the involved drivers that had conflicting choices if it was possible to drive this or that car instead.
Only trouble we had was with Paginas who initially wanted to drive the DENSO, but he ended up in the PETRONAS.. So I think that dealing with the cars choices "manually" so to speak is more flexible..

Could you please elaborate some more how this work. Can you add... Hmmm.. How should I put it... Like sub categorys in to your program..
So it's like assigning me to a group of cars, and when in that group, sort all individual choices within that group of drivers that ended up in the same car-group?
Don't know if that made any sence at all..

 

[CSLACR]

The Woodone GT-R used different tires than the other GT-Rs in GT5 so PD kind of nerfed its ability for some reason.

Just drove it for the first time, and yeah, it's slippery. Same issue the Enos has, no grip at all, feels like sports tires.

The further I drive these the more I think it's futility. An 1125kg 603pp NSX beat an 1100kg 604pp YMS Supra around Spa and Monaco both by about a full second.
Tire wear could play a factor too with lighter cars.

Troublemakers:
Enos SC430
Bandai SC430
YMS Supra
Epson NSX
Woodone Advan Clarion GTR

Out of these the Bandai, and YMS Supra look most promising, but I have doubts about the Supra after getting whooped on fast and slow by the NSX, tire wear could be a saving grace for it though. The Bandai can at least keep up on high speed tracks, just don't know mid-slow yet. The Epson I think is served best at 1150kg, but it'd have to be an uber speed-machine to compete.

Any amount of weight added to GTRs and SC430's (fast ones) will need added to the Castrol, I just whipped up a 14.8 (14.6 once with tire wear off) with only 50miles on it, so that's already quicker then any lap I've run, in any of them. With the least power...and the most(tied) weight...


EDIT: What about the possibility of running RM tires on the Enos and Woodone Advan GTR? Would that be considered if it equals them up to other cars better then weight and power?

 

[Denilson]

CSLACR: All cars have to run the same tires. No exeptions.


I tryed the NSX like this to try and reduce the peak power:
Honda TAKATA DOME NSX
Bhp: 527
Weight: 1130 kg
PP: 607
PL: (Can't remember the exact fighure. I'll post later.)
Allowed Mods: Turbo Stage 2, Ridgity Improvement.

 

[Dr_Watson]

Sounds awesome!! 👍

But is it really that complicated?
I meen, it sounds like those programs you're working with are for more complex issues.

What we did when assigning cars in WSGTC, we simply asked the involved drivers that had conflicting choices if it was possible to drive this or that car instead.
Only trouble we had was with Paginas who initially wanted to drive the DENSO, but he ended up in the PETRONAS.. So I think that dealing with the cars choices "manually" so to speak is more flexible..

Could you please elaborate some more how this work. Can you add... Hmmm.. How should I put it... Like sub categorys in to your program..
So it's like assigning me to a group of cars, and when in that group, sort all individual choices within that group of drivers that ended up in the same car-group?
Don't know if that made any sence at all..

Oh yeah... gentleman's agreement is certainly easy enough. Just giving you a scientific alternative since so many people are involved.
If I wrote a program to auto assign it would look like this:
1. start with everyone's top 3, 5, 10... whatever car choices
2. weight them with a "score" so that a #1 choice has the highest score
3. spin through the data generating all the possible car fields
4. find the grids that have the highest "score"
- due to the weighting the ones with the highest score would produce a field that has the highest percentage of drivers in their #1 choices (or the highest choice possible).

I can also take some administration load off you if you and wardez if you want. I've been slapping together a framework for event hosting. Here is an example of the initial work I did when I was running a Ferrari Challenge series. It does all the point math so all I had to do was feed it data (and gallery images) after the race and the results pages get build dynamically (it's really only one page, but the content changes).

Just drop me a line. Like I said; I do this stuff for a living so it's quick and easy for me (and I'm one of the lucky ones that likes what they do ).

 

[Denilson]

WOW! That looked really nice!! 👍

I'd say yes in a second. But I think Wardez got something similar up his sleave.
But any help is greatly appritiated. Just need to await Wardez response to see what he got in to the works. 👍

 

[BrosifDuder]

This is shaping up to be a beautiful championship.

 

[CodeRedR51]

I bought a Yellowhat GT-R last night just to mess around with until we get things straightened out with picking cars. I don't want to buy a bunch of cars I'll never use before we get to pick. Once I know which car I can drive, then I'll purchase it.

 

[Wardez]

WOW! That looked really nice!! 👍

I'd say yes in a second. But I think Wardez got something similar up his sleave.
But any help is greatly appritiated. Just need to await Wardez response to see what he got in to the works. 👍

I was actually hoping that Tim would offer this xD. I was just gonna use the same Google Docs spreadsheet for points but this would be awesome!

Although I'd still prefer to use the Google Docs spreadsheet I have set up ( here: http://bit.ly/purequalifying) since we're all going to be qualifying each other. Other than that, all I would ask for is for Tim to put our logo up and make the site light themed and we'd be golden .

Thanks man!

This is shaping up to be a beautiful championship.

It'd be even more so if you were in it!

 

[OwensRacing]

Brosif FTW!!

 

[CodeRedR51]

Just a heads up, there's a slight chance I might be moving this weekend so I may or may not be able to make the practice race. Will know for sure by the end of the week.

 

[BrosifDuder]

It'd be even more so if you were in it!

Brosif FTW!!

I'd love to race with you dudes but I can't commit for 10 straight weeks with the holidays upcoming. I could always be added to the reserve list for a spot race but it is already pretty packed. I'll definitely keep my eye on the thread throughout the championship and I plan on running my own test days to see if I able to post competitive times.

 

[Wardez]

Just a heads up, there's a slight chance I might be moving this weekend so I may or may not be able to make the practice race. Will know for sure by the end of the week.

Awesome, hope you can make a splash 👍

I'd love to race with you dudes but I can't commit for 10 straight weeks with the holidays upcoming. I could always be added to the reserve list for a spot race but it is already pretty packed. I'll definitely keep my eye on the thread throughout the championship and I plan on running my own test days to see if I able to post competitive times.

Yeah no problem. We have it set up so that anyone invited has the option of running without a team in a customer car. A customer car is one car of each of the three main selections that will not have a full team. Possibly the Motul GT-R, Epson or Arta NSX, and possibly the Bandai SC430.

Thanks!

 

[Denilson]

Brosif: The holidays are off weeks, just to let you know. The proposed schedule is a few pages back. Have a look. 👍

Got it for you.

Schedule. Not the actual races, but the dates.
We aim to start Race 1, Sunday, Nov 13th, or Sunday 20th.
No matter when we start, we will face a few obsticles along the way.
Nov 24-27th: Thanks Giving
Dec 25th: X-mas
Jan 1st: For the guys in the west, it may be a challange to make the start time.. I my self would've been ****D UP by that time to be honest.
So, take alook at this proposal, and have a say if it makes sence.

1, Nov 13th. Suzuka - No weather, 2 Heats.​

Heat 1 - 175 km.
Heat 2 - 50 km (Mandatory pit, half points, reverse the grid order, not the result).​

2, Nov 20th. Indianapolis Road - 1 Race - 175 km.​

3, Dec 4th. Spa Francorchamps - 2 Heats - No Weather.​

Heat 1 - 175 km.
Heat 2 - 50 km (Mandatory pit, half points, reverse the grid order, not the result).​

4, Dec 11th. Monaco - 2 Heats.​

Heat 1 - 175 km.
Heat 2 - 50 km (Mandatory pit, half points, reverse the grid order, not the result).​

5, Dec 18th. Nurburgring 24h - Time/ No Weather - Enduro - 1 race - 300 km.​

6, Jan 8th. Circuit De La Sarthe - Time/Weather - Enduro - 1 race - 300 km.​

7, Jan 15th. Laguna Seca - 2 Heats.​

Heat 1 - 175 km
Heat 2 - 50 km (Mandatory pit, half points, reverse the grid order, not the result).​

8, Jan 22nd. Nurburgring GP/F - 1 race - 175 km.​

9, Jan 29th. Spa Francorchamps - Weather - enduro - 1 race - 250 km.​

10, Feb 5th. Suzuka - Weather - enduro - 1 race - 250 km.​

 

[BrosifDuder]

Brosif: The holidays are off weeks, just to let you know. The proposed schedule is a few pages back. Have a look. 👍

You guys are so smart! Well, add me to the list of committed fellows. I know I will not be able to make it to the Ring GP/F on January 22nd but I am hoping that missing one race won't be a problem. But paaaaalease don't make me race a Toy-boat-a or a Lexus.

... and my GF is probably going to end me once I tell her the news.