Qualifying...Why Not?

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One of the core features of GT5 should be the option to qualify for a race. Why start off in the middle of the field (7th place) or else last (these seem to be the only places GT5 will start you).
Prove your worth. Anybody else agree?
 
i dont agree... quallyfing is offline like to use the x2010 or x2011
(we have to overtake 6 slower cars) thats not really the problem
and online we got a quallyfing
 
I think it would be much more fun having to qualify first, it just doesn't make sense always having to start at 7th. Also i think you should be able to choose between a standing and rolling start, whatever happened to the standing starts??
 
For qualifying to work all the cars need to be a lot closer in performance terms.

Here's an example: take the seasonals, AI cars are say 350-400pp but the limit is set at 450pp and tyre selection is unlimited making it entirely possible that you'd qualify first and only overtake if you got to lapping the back markers.

You don't get a prize for qualifying first, it's how you do on raceday that counts and I'd rather have some fun on the way to winning.
 
Robinworldwide
I think it would be much more fun having to qualify first, it just doesn't make sense always having to start at 7th. Also i think you should be able to choose between a standing and rolling start, whatever happened to the standing starts??
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Yeah, a standing start would be so much better and more exciting. I don't understand their reasoning for having rolling starts, are there races in real life that start that way?

Qualifying laps were good to get a feel for the track if you're unfamiliar with it and give you an idea of what competition you're up against by comparing lap times.
 
Madhouse
For qualifying to work all the cars need to be a lot closer in performance terms.
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This.

Qualifying would only be useful if there was a need for it. The race restrictions are so forgiving that if you can't finish in 1st, you probably don't have hands. It is so easy to just build a car that is so much faster than the competition.

Same applies to the standing start. Even if you started in 7th place, if you had a car that could out accelerate the field you could be in 1st by turn one on most tracks.
 
GlockPants
This.

Qualifying would only be useful if there was a need for it. The race restrictions are so forgiving that if you can't finish in 1st, you probably don't have hands. It is so easy to just build a car that is so much faster than the competition.

Same applies to the standing start. Even if you started in 7th place, if you had a car that could out accelerate the field you could be in 1st by turn one on most tracks.
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This. For it to actually matter, PD's AI would have to have the ability to pass a real human being.
 
GlockPants
This.

Qualifying would only be useful if there was a need for it. The race restrictions are so forgiving that if you can't finish in 1st, you probably don't have hands. It is so easy to just build a car that is so much faster than the competition.

Same applies to the standing start. Even if you started in 7th place, if you had a car that could out accelerate the field you could be in 1st by turn one on most tracks.
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If you use an overpowered car it doesn't matter in what position you start period. In that case they might as well let you start on pole position in the first place because where's the challenge in overtaking other cars in those overpowered cars? For the people who like to drive competitively the qualifying laps and standing starts would make a difference and i think that's the whole point of this thread.
 
Its specially annoying in a championship. If you were leading a championship in GT3 or 4 you started pole.. in GT5 its just in the middle every 🤬 time..
 
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If we had qualifying then we need restrictions on all the races.
Think about qualifying on the FGT race! :O
 
GlockPants
This.

Qualifying would only be useful if there was a need for it. The race restrictions are so forgiving that if you can't finish in 1st, you probably don't have hands. It is so easy to just build a car that is so much faster than the competition.

Same applies to the standing start. Even if you started in 7th place, if you had a car that could out accelerate the field you could be in 1st by turn one on most tracks.
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If the race restrictions actually were acurate and made it challenging I'd agree - but as they are, the restrictions are waaaaaayyyyyy to favorative for the player - the AI simply is not aggressive enough or pushes cars hard enough (or is it because the default setup on the AI cars suck?).

So I wish they brought qualifying back like they did before. I loved being able to run a qualifying or practice lap for that matter, seeing where I stand and being able to tune the car a bit before the race. Better than having to start, quit, de-tune, try again, rinse/repeat as necessary to get in a car where the race will be competitive.

I'm all for qualifying/practive sessions in A-Spec/Seasonals; except those races where you have to come from last to win everything, but regardless of qualifying you should still have the practice option pre-race; I should have the option to make minor adjustments race to race without having to start a race to test what I did.
 
Robinworldwide
If you use an overpowered car it doesn't matter in what position you start period. In that case they might as well let you start on pole position in the first place because where's the challenge in overtaking other cars in those overpowered cars? For the people who like to drive competitively the qualifying laps and standing starts would make a difference and i think that's the whole point of this thread.
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Qualifying would be fun and simulation like, like it was in GT4 or whenever it was last used. But is it really fun to never see a single car during a race?

If they bring qualifying in they should severely limit the driver's vehicle and power settings.
 
Tower Turn 13
Qualifying would be fun and simulation like, like it was in GT4 or whenever it was last used. But is it really fun to never see a single car during a race?
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Maybe you should ask Sebastien Vettel! ;) Seriously though, if you did that in a car that's competitive then yeah, it's still fun because you're just that good and on the next run you can try in an underpowered car!
 
Windlebut
Yeah, a standing start would be so much better and more exciting. I don't understand their reasoning for having rolling starts, are there races in real life that start that way?
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Most GT races here in Belgium start rolling, 24 almost allways around the world starts rolling...
 
speedthrill
Most GT races here in Belgium start rolling, 24 almost allways around the world starts rolling...
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I suppose that rolling starts are much safer than grid starts so I can see why they would use them for real races. Grid starts just feel much more unpredictable and exciting though. I can't see why they aren't used for a-spec races other than the fact that they might cause a slight lag in performance resulting in frame rate issues.

Kaz said (around the time GT5 was released) that he is sorry for the frame rate problems caused by 16 cars setting off from a grid start. Maybe he felt this just wasn't acceptable so changed all race starts to rolling starts.

Personally, I think we should have a mixture.
 
Race qualifying would be a great feature for me in that it determines from what position we're going to start off and can have a wider range of strategies applied for each position with the performance of the car taken into consideration. If we use a car which overpowers against others we're relatively sure to start from the tail of the train of cars, our car being a bit slower than others we gain the chance to come to the front. Or if our machine can equally match with them in the qualification, then we've got 50% of probability of coming to the head or rear. ;)
 
We had qualifying in GT4. If you did well enough you could start the race in pole position. That helped on the harder races. Why they took it away I don't know.
 
I definitley want qualifying and standing starts. To those saying it's not a challenge...qualifying would make it easier to tune to the car to get a good race out of the Ai.

speedthrill
Most GT races here in Belgium start rolling, 24 almost allways around the world starts rolling...
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That's double file rolling starts....GT5 predominantly uses single file rolling starts which as far as I know is not used in any form of motorsport.
 
Robinworldwide
If you use an overpowered car it doesn't matter in what position you start period. In that case they might as well let you start on pole position in the first place because where's the challenge in overtaking other cars in those overpowered cars? For the people who like to drive competitively the qualifying laps and standing starts would make a difference and i think that's the whole point of this thread.
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Sorry, I didn't realize I missed the point of the thread...

In order to drive competitively, the AI needs to be competitive. Even in cars with similar performance, the AI is submissive. I don't see the purpose of de-tuning my cars just to make races interesting.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to have qualifying and practice available. But with the current state of the AI's aggression (or lack thereof) it would just make A-spec dull.
 
If you find winning too easy, lower your PP, use your imagination, (power/weight/tires), create a challenge and see how much fun it is:tup:
 
Rolling start is very common in motorsports, though the way PD set it up is odd in single file.

I also think PD used starting mid-rear pack as a way to make the races competitive. Still didn't really help but at least gave you some obstacles to pass like mini-golf...
 
Yes GT5 Definatly needs qualifying for 1 reason. It is an important factor of all racing series, because the "free run" that we go round before a race doesnt really work.
 

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