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say on fuji, if you have been good all race and letting quicker people by on the straight if they slip stream you, when it comes to the last lap and you and someone else have had a great battle all race and he slipstreams you for first place and u block him. would u see this as acceptable as long as u dont try to make contact, as it is the last lap and its all or second??? personally i think it is alright on the last lap. just waiting for opinions.
 
I think you have to ask yourself, if this is a racing sim, what would a real race car driver do in this situation?
 
All fast and clean racers I come across on the online races never block.:)

Change lane is something different but if they do ,they hold that lane.

The only time blocking has effect ,is when the car behind you, hits your backend and loses speed.
That is absolute no fair game!!!!!!
 
The solution to this problem is a tactical one: make sure you are not draftable after exiting the final turn on Fuji. Meaning: you must be too far ahead for anyone to draft or you should be slightly behind someone else so you can be the one to draft. :)

I never block BTW, if a person manages to do the thing I describe above they deserve the win. 👍
 
good reply, and made me think, so if they outpace you on the straight let them by and dont position yourself so they have to slow down or hit you. sounds easy eough, but no one likes to lose a spot 100 metres from the line. this is going to be a big pill to swallow. i have alot of water.
 
D0wNFoRc3_
good reply, and made me think, so if they outpace you on the straight let them by and dont position yourself so they have to slow down or hit you. sounds easy eough, but no one likes to lose a spot 100 metres from the line. this is going to be a big pill to swallow. i have alot of water.
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Winning isn't everything, you know. You should be happy you could race that other person without him punting you off, cause there are a lot of punters out there.

I would even slow down to let him take the win at the finish line just to thank him for the good race. But that's just me...
 
NLxAROSA
The solution to this problem is a tactical one: make sure you are not draftable after exiting the final turn on Fuji. Meaning: you must be too far ahead for anyone to draft or you should be slightly behind someone else so you can be the one to draft. :)

I never block BTW, if a person manages to do the thing I describe above they deserve the win. 👍
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well said,feel the same way...👍

spyrrari.
 
I'd block him.
I wouldn't push them off the track or anything like that but theres nothing wrong with protecting your finishing position. If the other guy is good enough he'll get me blocking in one direction and then go up the other side. I've done that to win races and had it done to me before.
 
sjaak68
All fast and clean racers I come across on the online races never block.:)

Change lane is something different but if they do ,they hold that lane.

The only time blocking has effect ,is when the car behind you, hits your backend and loses speed.
That is absolute no fair game!!!!!!
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Absolutely right mate 👍

Speaking of which, I may have to have a race against you soon, always good clean racing :)

As for some of the other muppets... ;)
 
winning isnt everything, but it sure is satisfying. on that note i do aprreciate the really fast drivers. i am not innocent of hitting, we all make mistakes, i try not to, but my last lap dash on fuji is where i have felt guilty, and you people have cleared it up for me, cheers. hope to see you all online sometime.
D0wNFoRc3_ , perth, australia.

p.s. mark webber deserves more.
 
Yeah I think there is a difference between a quick block and pulling so far over you force someone off the track who is in the process of passing you. Most halfway decent drivers are aware of other cars positions. If you have the inside line on a turn and someone tries to pass you on the outside and you guys have contact I mean what can you expect. Should you lay on your brakes because someone is draft passing you and is about to cut you off and lay on their brakes because they are going way to fast for the turn? Or should you hold steady, keep your speed and your line.
 
i always keep my speed. but i sometimes position myself so the person behind me has no choice but to avoid me, hit me, or slow down a bit.
suddenly i feel very much like schumacher.
 
I've moved off line initially, to try and break the draft, but I don't weave all over the track like some people do as though they are trying to warm their tyres. The other option is to try and slow them up in the last corner, so you can get a good exit and get the hammer down as early as possible and get enough distance so they don't get a good tow.
 
MeWhiteNoise
The other option is to try and slow them up in the last corner, so you can get a good exit and get the hammer down as early as possible and get enough distance so they don't get a good tow.
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i never considered that, do others see this as clean aslong as u dont hit or touch??? sounds clean to me
 
Usually I try and build a bit of a gap, run a little wide on the last corner which entices drivers up the inside, providing you keep your foot in you then get a better exit and theirs is compromised (hopefully ;))
 
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in 'real life' racing you're allowed to make 'one move'. schumacher abused this quite regularly. basically you're allowed to move off the racing line to 'block' the racer behind and move back onto the racing line at any point to take the corner.

moving back off the racing line again b4 the next corner is classed as weaving and is not allowed.

obviously racing is a non contact sport so contact is not allowed either.
 
In most true racing championships, a move in one direction is allowed to block (if safe), but switching back and continuously blocking is not.
 
What would I do to defend my position in Fuji, making last corner in first with a car close behind?

1 - Exiting the corner I would pull immediatly to the right of the track.
(then he would follow me, I'm sure)
2 - I would change to the left of the track
(then he would follow me, I'm sure)
3 - And then ... whatever happens, I'm not changing lane again. He wins or I win ... fair enough.

But that's just me.
 
Phatlaz
in 'real life' racing you're allowed to make 'one move'. schumacher abused this quite regularly. basically you're allowed to move off the racing line to 'block' the racer behind and move back onto the racing line at any point to take the corner.

moving back off the racing line again b4 the next corner is classed as weaving and is not allowed.

obviously racing is a non contact sport so contact is not allowed either.
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I have been thought it's not allowed to move back to line where you were before changing line in defending situation. It's one linechange/straight... moving back to earlier line is in my thoughts second linechange. Never actually read FIA:s official racingrules, but maybe sometime should.


And I want to remember, that making strategic linechange before corner, is not same than blockin on the straight. Difference is always not easy to see... but if driver behind gets in to the troubles when avoiding linechanging car, I think it's more blockin than linechanging.
 
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alright, the way this works is simple: When someone is slipstreaming behind you on the straight and is about to overtake it is not accepted to simply block him/her. However, one often sees race drivers nudge their car a fraction to the left or right (saying you're being overtaked from the right), but this movement is limited in so much that the driver overtaking isn't blocked but might be startled. This sounds weird, but go to a DTM race and look at cars overtaking on the finish line straight and this happens a lot. Hakkinnen once explained that this behavior is there to intimidate the competitor and, partly, because there is an upcoming corner (also to the right) and that perhaps the other driver would hesitate and hence abort his overtaking action. Again, blocking is not allowed, if someone passes you and there isn't an upcoming corner coming, but a finishline you are not allowed to block!

this is a statement of the FIA made in 1999

The 1999 FIA Formula One World Championship Sporting Regulations cover overtaking under "incidents":


"Incident means any occurrence or series of occurrences involving one or more drivers, or any action by any driver, which is reported to the stewards by the race director (or noted by the stewards and referred to the race director for investigation) which:
- caused an avoidable collision;
- forced a driver off the track;
- illegitimately prevented a legitimate overtaking manoeuvre by a driver;
- illegitimately impeded another driver during overtaking.

The stewards may impose a 10 second time penalty on any driver involved in an Incident."

This quite clearly bans using physical contact to overtake and prohibits blocking a driver attempting to overtake.

http://atlasf1.autosport.com/99/san/tytler.html

so, it's as simple as that!
 
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A single blocking move is usually deemed acceptable, anything more than that is not acceptable.

The problem with some driving game engines (include GT5 IMO), even in PC sims like rFactor and LFS are the absences of dynamic on/off racing line grip level; which makes over taking unrelasitic and makes every corner a dive bomb heaven.

Sims like GTR, GTR2, GTL, NKP all have dynamic on/off racing line grip level.
 
Phatlaz
in 'real life' racing you're allowed to make 'one move'. schumacher abused this quite regularly. basically you're allowed to move off the racing line to 'block' the racer behind and move back onto the racing line at any point to take the corner.

moving back off the racing line again b4 the next corner is classed as weaving and is not allowed.

obviously racing is a non contact sport so contact is not allowed either.
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I was reluctant to say 'block' as your not allowed too lol but anyway i've never read the rules but from the F1 commentating etc. they seem to believe you are allowed to move back onto the racing line to take a corner.

Any erratic movements/swerves aren't allowed tho so its a bit of a grey area.
 
Rocket Punch
A single blocking move is usually deemed acceptable, anything more than that is not acceptable.

The problem with most driving game engine (include GT5 IMO), even in PC sims like rFactor and LFS are the absences of dynamic on/off racing line grip level; which makes over taking unrelasitic and makes every corner a dive bomb heaven.
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what dissapoints me the most is wet weather grip in corners. If anyone has raced on a circuit in the wet the racing line is not the same line in the wet.

All the grip is actually off the 'dry' racing line but I've never came across a racing game that simulates this.
 
Hun200kmh
What would I do to defend my position in Fuji, making last corner in first with a car close behind?

1 - Exiting the corner I would pull immediatly to the right of the track.
(then he would follow me, I'm sure)
2 - I would change to the left of the track
(then he would follow me, I'm sure)
3 - And then ... whatever happens, I'm not changing lane again. He wins or I win ... fair enough.

But that's just me.
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Same for me.👍
 

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