Quickest Italian (non-race) car?

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I am looking for an Italian car which is not race modified to race at Monza.

I race with all the assists off so I am prepared to sacifice a little bit of pace is the car has some good solid handling and won't jump about.

What do you reckon? Ferrari? Lambo? Mazza?

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Without assists the Scuderia is probably a good choice, the Enzo's handling isnt that great imo.
 
Two for the Scuderia. Yeah, I have heard the Enzo can be tricky to drive.

Any Lamborghini's that can challenge?
 
Two for the Scuderia. Yeah, I have heard the Enzo can be tricky to drive.

Any Lamborghini's that can challenge?

Which tires are you using? If you are using Racing softs you can pretty much drive anything, about the Lambos, I don't like 4WD cars much, but maybe you do, a tuned 458 can do well, although I think the 430's are , more fun.
 
Which tires are you using? If you are using Racing softs you can pretty much drive anything, about the Lambos, I don't like 4WD cars much, but maybe you do, a tuned 458 can do well, although I think the 430's are , more fun.

I would probably opt for Racing medium or hard. I have heard that using soft's with all the assists off will cause the tyres to lock up more. Is this true?
 
Without mods, the Zonda R has to be the fastest. But it draws the line between street and race car. So is up to you to consider it race or street.
 
Without mods, the Zonda R has to be the fastest. But it draws the line between street and race car. So is up to you to consider it race or street.

The R in zonda r stands for race, so its a race car also its not allowed on british roads.
 
Hmmmm It definitely can't be a race car. I take it the Pagani Zonda C12S ’00 would not be classed as a race car though?
 
Hmmmm It definitely can't be a race car. I take it the Pagani Zonda C12S Â’00 would not be classed as a race car though?
I wouldn't think so, especially since it looks more like a road car rather than a race car.

I thought the Zonda R was road legal? Maybe I'm thinking of another Zonda off "Supercars Unvealed"....
 
I tested almost all the Italian cars on Nurburgring in stock conditions with soft sport tires, here's the laps :

6:56.428 Ferrari Enzo '02
6:56.762 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce '09
6:59.072 Ferrari 458 Italia '09
7:04.567 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 '08
7:09.395 Ferrari 430 Scuderia '07
7:11.205 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano '06
7:17.905 Ferrari F40 '92

As you can see, the SV is as fast as the Enzo (0,3 sec on nurburgring is just nothing), and IMO is much stable and controllable, but Enzo has an awesome acceleration, hit 350 KM/H without difficult, and is a lot of fun to drive (a little difficult to mantain the pace and be consistent due to the understeer, but is a fantastic car to me). Notice that the 458 is just a little slower that the SV and the Enzo, but has the best handling. Hope I helped.
 
I tested almost all the Italian cars on Nurburgring in stock conditions with soft sport tires, here's the laps :

6:56.428 Ferrari Enzo '02
6:56.762 Lamborghini Murciélago LP 670-4 SuperVeloce '09
6:59.072 Ferrari 458 Italia '09
7:04.567 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 '08
7:09.395 Ferrari 430 Scuderia '07
7:11.205 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano '06
7:17.905 Ferrari F40 '92

As you can see, the SV is as fast as the Enzo (0,3 sec on nurburgring is just nothing), and IMO is much stable and controllable, but Enzo has an awesome acceleration, hit 350 KM/H without difficult, and is a lot of fun to drive. Notice that the 458 is just a little slower that the SV and the Enzo, but has the best handling. Hope I helped.

Thanks for that, that is very helpful! 👍

With the assists off, I think I may avoid the Enzo. Will probably go for the Scuderia or the SuperVeloce. Any idea on comparison between those two when they are fully tuned? :)
 
Thanks for that, that is very helpful! 👍

With the assists off, I think I may avoid the Enzo. Will probably go for the Scuderia or the SuperVeloce. Any idea on comparison between those two when they are fully tuned? :)

Sorry, I usually tend to not modify my cars because I like to drive them as they are in real life, so I can't say which is faster when fully modded, but I can assume that the SV would be faster, since it has 670 HP stock, compared to the 505 of the scuderia :) I have a 458 fully tuned, and is a great car, but don't think that when fully modded it is the faster.
 
Thanks for that, that is very helpful! 👍

With the assists off, I think I may avoid the Enzo. Will probably go for the Scuderia or the SuperVeloce. Any idea on comparison between those two when they are fully tuned? :)

I have a fully modded SV and a lightly modded Scuderia from the seasonals, the SV is faster but you have to be more careful driving it since it likes to oversteer a lot more than the Scuderia. I'm not sure the difference in power when fully modded but I'm guessing the SV will probably have a slight edge.
 
The R in zonda r stands for race, so its a race car also its not allowed on british roads.

So an Integra type R is a race car, because the R stands for "race"...?
 
Just did a quick test with one warm up lap and one fast lap around Monza with stock cars on racing hard tires and grip set to real and without aids:

Enzo 1:47.547
SuperVeloce 1:49.259 (had to do two fast laps since I ate the gravel on my fast attempt, so tires might be warmer)
Zonda C12S 1:49.281
458 Italia 1:51.073
Scuderia 1:53.739

Pretty much a power to weight scale there from best to worst, except for the Zonda, I don't know what happened there lol, I expected to be on par of the Enzo.
 
Just did a quick test with one warm up lap and one fast lap around Monza with stock cars on racing hard tires and grip set to real and without aids:

Enzo 1:47.547
SuperVeloce 1:49.259 (had to do two fast laps since I ate the gravel on my fast attempt, so tires might be warmer)
Zonda C12S 1:49.281
458 Italia 1:51.073
Scuderia 1:53.739

Pretty much a power to weight scale there from best to worst, except for the Zonda, I don't know what happened there lol, I expected to be on par of the Enzo.

Very interesting, thanks for taking the time to do that 👍

The reason I am after one of the above is for a race league. Therefore, winning is a lot more important than having a fun car to drive.

I have never driven an Enzo but would you say it is easy to control? The last thing I want to do is hit the gravel. Bear in mind you are probably a much better driver than myself!
 
Enzo with racing tires shouldn't be a problem, you just have to adjust to brake very early, since stopping the Enzo seems to take longer than you would think.

What mods are you allowed to do for that racing league? HP restrictions? Wings allowed? etc
 
Enzo with racing tires shouldn't be a problem, you just have to adjust to brake very early, since stopping the Enzo seems to take longer than you would think.

What mods are you allowed to do for that racing league? HP restrictions? Wings allowed? etc

There are no restrictions other than it can not be race modified.

I think I will try and save up for an Enzo or trade it with someone so I can compare it with the others. The only settings I can alter are traction and ABS. I usually have traction 5 and ABS 1. Would you change those on an Enzo?
 
I always race without Traction Control, no matter how much power.

Without restrictions, probably the Lambo SV will throw more HP since you can't fit a turbo into the Enzo, nor any Ferrari for that matter. But after shaving the weight, an Enzo will be as light as 1050-1100kg or so (just a guess, haven't shaved the weight out of any of my Enzos), and the SV might still be heavier than a Stock Enzo even after shaving weight. 4WD will become handy to tame the almost 900hp the SV might end up outputting.

Try between those two. Enzo and SV.
 
I can't check now (B-Spec), but you cant put a turbo in the SV aswell, mine has 870hp if I remember correctly, fully modded, it weights about 1300kg I think, one drawback though is that the 1st gear in the SV is too tall, it goes to 100km/h.
 
I always race without Traction Control, no matter how much power.

Without restrictions, probably the Lambo SV will throw more HP since you can't fit a turbo into the Enzo, nor any Ferrari for that matter. But after shaving the weight, an Enzo will be as light as 1050-1100kg or so (just a guess, haven't shaved the weight out of any of my Enzos), and the SV might still be heavier than a Stock Enzo even after shaving weight. 4WD will become handy to tame the almost 900hp the SV might end up outputting.

Try between those two. Enzo and SV.

Yeah OK, I will go in search of those two then and see how they go!

I have until Wednesday so I had better get saving those pennies.

Thanks again for you help :)
 
Not sure what level you are but if you B Spec the Dream Car Championship and skip the last race at Nurburgring it pays ~950,000 credits each time. Do that twice and you will have more than enough money for an Enzo or SV and all the mods.
 
Not sure what level you are but if you B Spec the Dream Car Championship and skip the last race at Nurburgring it pays ~950,000 credits each time. Do that twice and you will have more than enough money for an Enzo or SV and all the mods.

Am only level 10 on B-Spec so have a way to go before I get to the dream car championship. Thanks for the tip though 👍
 
Just did a quick comparison lap on the Top Gear track (not Monza but whatever, maybe I'll do that later) and got 1:09,650 in the Enzo (wasn't very clean though, touched the grass once or twice) and 1:10,265 in the SV. Both soft racing tires, no further tuning, ABS 1 and Traction Control off (those tires and ABS on 1 is are must for both cars!)
The SV feels surprisingly light on soft racing tires, especially compared to standard hard sports, and will be more forgivable than the Enzo, but as you can tell, the Enzo is faster (I reckon 1:08,something is possible.)

It's up to preference really. The Enzo is great when you know its limits, but you'll be oversteering all over the track when you cross them. The Lambo feels as if it doesn't have limits. Just be careful when coming out of a corner as it may understeer because of the 4WD.
Also, I don't think tuning these cars, especially the Enzo, is a very good idea, they'll be uncontrollable. However, you could try to tune them step by step, disabling certain modifications when it's getting too much.
So if you think you're quite a good driver, go for the faster Enzo. If you're looking for the easy way, go for the more controllable SV. Although I'm sure you won't regret either of these cars.
:)

Oh, just read that you're not going to drive with ABS, well, be careful when steering and breaking simultaneously then :P
 
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I tuned to the max both Enzo and SV, with hard tires, the Enzo will output like 25hp more and weight 200 kilo less, but the SV, will throw better laps on Monza, since it is a "stop an go" circuit, brake hard, and come out from first gear out of the corner, this is where 4WD come very handy since you can utilize all the power available in the 4 wheels to come out very fast out of the chicanes . Set the torque distribution to 50/50 and you'll be flying out of the two slow chicanes, but be careful in La Parabolica, since the frontal torque will throw you out of the corner, but you have some frontal downforce on your disposition (5), something the Enzo lacks (2).

SV 1:40.620
Enzo 1:41.157

Enzo is faster on the straight away, but SV comes out faster from the corners and will brake more gently, and overall you'll constantly lap good times on the SV while in the Enzo, you might potentially have an 1:39, but you'll end up eating grass if you push this car that hard.

As much as I hate to say it, SV will be uncontested in this track.
 
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I haven't got an Enzo yet but I now have an SV and have just done 1:43.590 at Monza on first attempt. I quite like the handling on it actually and with a few more attempts hopefully I can get my time down to match yours.

Have changed ABS up from 1 to 7 and put traction at 3 with racing hard tyres.

Might give the Scuderia a test but highly doubt I can clock a quicker time than the Lambo.
 
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