Racing Drift Discussion

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There is something I wanna point out here that is somewhat my opinion. Most of the people here are saying they use feint when they drift a corner. I believe that they are missing the point of drift racing. IMO, drift racing is not the act of drifting in a race, but taking your car to 105% of its abilities. In theory, someone is going at there maximum speed when they are using 100% of the car's abilities in that the tire grip, brake use and hp of the car are all used to the maximum within a certain framework that is considered ideal racing. For example, when a grip racer takes a corner he will slow down to the maximum speed before entering the corner, lay off the gas and brake, (or sometimes use trail braking but thats besides the point), start the turn in using the full grip of his tires, and when he reaches the apex he will resume the use of throttle on exiting the turn. If he is at 90% of the car's abilities then he will brake earlier, enter the corner at a speed less than the grip speed, and depress the throttle later in the turn. If he is at 105% then you will see the scenario I described in my first post where he almost brakes too late and enters the corner at an increased speed where his car is almost out of control, but he uses that to his advantage as he controls his car in an oversteer state by using gas modulation and no countersteer until he reaches the exit of the corner.

So to steer this back to the beginning, to me, feint drift is purposefully drifting a corner just to drift it without regards to attaining maximum speed. As I stated earlier, In order to use feint drift you have to sacrifice some of your grip to rock the car into the corner when this grip can be used for braking or throttle. Do you guys agree?

I'm trying to think of when feint motion can be used in entering a corner with 4 wheel drift in mind, but I can't think of a scenario. Can someone post a diagram with a technical explanation of when this is the optimum strategy in a corner for a 4 wheel drifter?
 
I would correct you. Not gaining car to its 105% abilities, but controlling the car at its 105% abilities.
Also in 95% of all acenarios you make faster laps without drifting... that I was learned.
 
I agree that feint is not a technique that should typicaly be used in race drifting. Although if it is a hairpin, you could use a small feint to point the car in the correct direction for exit. Here's an example:
 

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that makes sense silvia drifter, because when you use braking drift to enter a corner, it takes time for the car to attain an oversteering angle, and you might not have enough time for that to happen in a hairpin because the corner is so tight, there is hardly any room for braking into it.
 
Hey i have the perf drift settings for the fc car, i kno the settings rlly dont metter its jus how skilled u r, but im im trying to look for the perfect settings for the trueno ss ver. So i was wondering if the fcs' settings would also work for the trueno...?
 
Originally posted by The Prime
that makes sense silvia drifter, because when you use braking drift to enter a corner, it takes time for the car to attain an oversteering angle, and you might not have enough time for that to happen in a hairpin because the corner is so tight, there is hardly any room for braking into it.
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Exactly, well said. 👍
I'm sure there are other instances where feint can be used, like maybe a tight s-turn? Once you have cleared the first corner you could use the rebound to set you up for the exit of the next corner. ;)
 
OK, here's a question: It is also possible to use the hand brake to throw the rear out the same way feint motion does, so is one of them better overall or can anyone describe situations when feint motion is better than hand brake or vice versa?
 
Dirfster once used the handbrake well before a hair on apricot, sacrificing his straightaway speed but incresing hte time throught hte corner... never did understand how
 
I really think it's just the matter of how skilled you are at that particular drift. Because for me I'm good at the feint better than the brake. That reason is because its harder for me to get from a brake to a oversteer. Thats me though.



Chris
 
Originally posted by DarkenedDrift
I really think it's just the matter of how skilled you are at that particular drift. Because for me I'm good at the feint better than the brake. That reason is because its harder for me to get from a brake to a oversteer. Thats me though.



Chris
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But that's not good when you try to race.
 
I personally use the feint technique, as I do not like the e-brake technique. I think the only good use for the e-brake is to increase the drift angle in the middle of a turn, other than that I think it's kind of pointless. Also, I don't think the e-brake has any place in race drifting, only in exhibition, if then.;)
 
I thought e-brake drifting wasnt really a drift, but more like a power steer...? And another thing usually I use the brake when im in a feint drift. Is that considered a drift when you use the brake when your put in a counter steer? Because use it to stay on the track, which is one hope for me to get better.
 
Originally posted by DarkenedDrift
I thought e-brake drifting wasnt really a drift, but more like a power steer...? And another thing usually I use the brake when im in a feint drift. Is that considered a drift when you use the brake when your put in a counter steer? Because use it to stay on the track, which is one hope for me to get better.
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E-braking is okay to use for exhibition only. Although some people don't like to use it, it's not against the law ;)

Using the brake while countersteering is okay. There's nothing wrong with that either :) In my opinion it takes skill to countersteer and brake at the same time because the car sometimes understeers a lot while braking and countersteering. At least I learned that from my experience.

Here's a picture of what I mean about a perfect four wheel drift. Technically, there is no smoke because in this drift the wheels are not supposed to lose traction. Just use the throttle and the brake to make the car turn and no steering :) pergatory and I were trying to do that in another thread. I'll try to make a short video of that as soon as I have some time :)
 

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Do u mean the front wheels arent supposed to loose traction because I mainly have the back loose traction? To do that i use race tires for rear and medium for front. Also when sometimes i use the brake when i counter steer i counter steer then let stop steering then counter steer then stop steering... Is that any good? I'm not talking pro material though. I consider myself a bit amatuer :banghead:
 
Originally posted by DarkenedDrift
Do u mean the front wheels arent supposed to loose traction because I mainly have the back loose traction? To do that i use race tires for rear and medium for front. Also when sometimes i use the brake when i counter steer i counter steer then let stop steering then counter steer then stop steering... Is that any good? I'm not talking pro material though. I consider myself a bit amatuer :banghead:
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Let me try to break this down:

1. None of the wheels are supposed to break traction. They are supposed to be at their maximum grip. There is no smoke in this kind of drift, not like the exhibition drift.

2. You can use any tires, but your skills will be greater if you use simulation tires.

3. Try to countersteer and brake at the same time. That is what the D1GP drifters do. That's why when they countersteer, their front wheels smoke for a second. Because they brake and countersteer at the same time. Try to keep the countersteer throughout the drift instead of "pumping" the joystick. First, it's not good for your controller and the countersteer in the replay doesn't look good.
 
Good job thio... Hey prime you mind linking hte drift versus grip og arguement in your first thread... think that might be a good place for people to start... if you think its too long i will do a short sysnopsis
 
some of these diagrams are too unrealistic...a feint drift should be initiated with a minimal feint motion just enough to tilt the car into the drift....no need for these massive sways that most of you are portraying.
just set ur front suspension a bit softer and tap the car to feint, dont actually turn the entire vehicle, remember youre just trying to shift the weight.
correctly done a feint drift is ideal for setting up drifts when sufficient speed can not be proccessed before the trun to initiate a drift otherwise.
also, the non steering 4-wheel drift technique works best with slicks i find, and when the front and back suspension settings are matched up more evenly.
to take the ideal line for a drift to beat a grip racer in a corner requires several calculations based on entry slope/speed, braking power, and length of corner. this combined with knowlegable drifting techniques will create the ideal entrance and exit speed.
 
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Good job thio... Hey prime you mind linking hte drift versus grip og arguement in your first thread... think that might be a good place for people to start... if you think its too long i will do a short sysnopsis
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Hey you saw our discussing in the room bengee? That would be pretty awesome if u did a nother race like that. :D
 
lol, both of you have the same avatar DarkenedDrift and F.Zamataki :)

I thought feint drifting only had to deal with weight shifting. The angle didn't matter on how the weight is shifted as long as the car waves back and forth until it drifts the corner.

With the no-steering four wheel drift, slicks in the game does not allow the car to turn. At least with my experience.
 
I'm not gonna read this thread anymore. I hate technical drift discussions and explinations. It feels like such over analizing to me. Just get the car sideways and keep it there.
 
I Speed Drift a lot when battling with Akina using Fr versus 4WD. When Akina Drift his S15 versus my 22B. We both hit almost at the sametime with different seconds slower or faster. I wish i can tell and explain how it is done, but i just cant get the answers out, because i dont know how to tell it to people, i only know how to do it but cant explain it. I always Speed drift when i first play GT3, but now im getting into Exhibition drifting. Hope you guys can find the answers to drift versus grip.
 
Originally posted by Night_Drifter
I Speed Drift a lot when battling with Akina using Fr versus 4WD. When Akina Drift his S15 versus my 22B. We both hit almost at the sametime with different seconds slower or faster. I wish i can tell and explain how it is done, but i just cant get the answers out, because i dont know how to tell it to people, i only know how to do it but cant explain it. I always Speed drift when i first play GT3, but now im getting into Exhibition drifting. Hope you guys can find the answers to drift versus grip.
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Draw a picture and we'll see what you are talking about :)
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
I'm not gonna read this thread anymore. I hate technical drift discussions and explinations. It feels like such over analizing to me. Just get the car sideways and keep it there.
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Thx for your insightful contribution.

Anyway, here's a question. Is there a general optimum setup for your car for drift racing?
 
The Prime:
I thing the most optimal setting is to use SIM tyres :D

Sorry to change topic, but I'm wondering. Has anyone try to do power slides at low speeds? Just keeping the car sideways and slowly moving on. I hope that's power slide, right?
 
Originally posted by The Prime
Thx for your insightful contribution.

Anyway, here's a question. Is there a general optimum setup for your car for drift racing?
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I usualy use slightly gripier tires for my race drift setup. An example would be my S13, when I am exhibition drifting I use sim or normal tires. When I am race drifting, I switch to sports or slicks. It just gives me a little more grip so I'm not just sliding all over the place. Also, when I am race drifting (4 wheel drift), I set up the suspension so it is closer then with my exhibition settings. An example would be my exhibition settings for the spring rate on my S13 are: 12.0, 9.0. For my race drift settings: 12.0, 11.5. This I believe balances the car out more for racing, when throwing the rear of the car around isn't necessary. ;)
 
Originally posted by silviadrifter
I usualy use slightly gripier tires for my race drift setup. An example would be my S13, when I am exhibition drifting I use sim or normal tires. When I am race drifting, I switch to sports or slicks. It just gives me a little more grip so I'm not just sliding all over the place. Also, when I am race drifting (4 wheel drift), I set up the suspension so it is closer then with my exhibition settings. An example would be my exhibition settings for the spring rate on my S13 are: 12.0, 9.0. For my race drift settings: 12.0, 11.5. This I believe balances the car out more for racing, when throwing the rear of the car around isn't necessary. ;)
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I really think its just a metter of wat settings fit You as an indavidual perfectlly. For example, If you have your own settings and then start using another setting you'll see that your not good with those settings. Well that is wat i have heard and experienced.
 

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