Racing Soft vs Full Performance

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I was reading a thread about racing in stock unmodded cars with just Racing soft tires on. ( Yes I know racing soft tires would be considered modding, but for sake of discussion lets act like all cars come with racing slick tires. )

My question. Would racing soft tires hinder a stock cars performance kind of like TCS does when you lose grip? Basicly lowering the power put to the ground due to over grip.
 
RA1D3R
If you put soft slicks on a stock car it will not need tcs due to the extra grip.
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Possibly, but that was not my question. I want to know if you use Race Soft tires on a stock car will it slow the car down do to over grip and lack of HP?
 
The main complaint most people seem to have with RS tires -- other than being too easy and 'unrealistic' -- is that they don't let you feel the unique handling characterstics of the car due to the fact that they hardly ever slide at all.

They shouldn't make any car handle worse, but they may make it difficult for you to tune the car to it's actual best performance since you don't notice what it's flaws are. Other than that it's just less enjoyable to drive a slow-ish car with F1-ish grip.
 
Morgoth_666
The main complaint most people seem to have with RS tires -- other than being too easy and 'unrealistic' -- is that they don't let you feel the unique handling characterstics of the car due to the fact that they hardly ever slide at all.

They shouldn't make any car handle worse, but they may make it difficult for you to tune the car to it's actual best performance since you don't notice what it's flaws are. Other than that it's just less enjoyable to drive a slow-ish car with F1-ish grip.
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I agree, I typically use medium sports on my stock cars without any aids and its more fun than my fully tuned cars.
 
I think you're confusing the grip of soft slick tires with a kind of a gluing action. As far as I know, soft racing tires don't actually "stick" to the road, they just have far more surface area due to them being slick, and make use of the surface area well because they conform to the road easily, due to them being soft.

I suppose they may have more rolling resistance than harder, non-slick tires, but I would think that this is an inconsequential amount of resistance when compared to the advantages of being able to accelerate, brake, and corner harder.
 
Morgoth_666
The main complaint most people seem to have with RS tires -- other than being too easy and 'unrealistic' -- is that they don't let you feel the unique handling characterstics of the car due to the fact that they hardly ever slide at all.
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If they're not sliding you're not pushing hard enough ;)

Anyways, back to the OP, no they won't deaden the car, they simply allow for higher speeds round any given bend, and when pushed to their limit react like any other tire. The problem people have is they see that they've cut 2 seconds off their time on a safe lap on sticky tires without realizing that by goin for it they can pick up another 2 or 3. This is where the bad rap comes from. Well, not to mention the fact that a 83Hp Beetle would never run on the highest compound racing tires.
 
I find it does kill any identity the car had, it turns all cars into karts of various weights. Not something I enjoy, but some people do.
 
PawnBoy
I think you're confusing the grip of soft slick tires with a kind of a gluing action. As far as I know, soft racing tires don't actually "stick" to the road, they just have far more surface area due to them being slick, and make use of the surface area well because they conform to the road easily, due to them being soft.
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No, at least in real life part of the advantage of racing compounds is that they are stickier than street compounds. You can see it when cars come off track - the ones on sticky compounds pick up (and hold) way more rocks and other junk than street compounds. The tire compound trades off stickiness versus tire life. That's why, for example, a Hoosier race tire will last for a few hundred miles while a street tire that's exactly the same size on the same car on the same track driven at the limit will last orders of magnitude longer.

Race tires typically have much stiffer sidewalls, can be lighter since they don't need extra reinforcement for safety compared to street tires, and so on. They do also have much more surface area since they don't have treads, but that's just one of the benefits.

Of course, I don't think GT5 models all of this in detail but the net effect is similar.

I suppose they may have more rolling resistance than harder, non-slick tires, but I would think that this is an inconsequential amount of resistance when compared to the advantages of being able to accelerate, brake, and corner harder.
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This part is absolutely true.
 
Morgoth_666
The main complaint most people seem to have with RS tires -- other than being too easy and 'unrealistic' -- is that they don't let you feel the unique handling characterstics of the car due to the fact that they hardly ever slide at all.

They shouldn't make any car handle worse, but they may make it difficult for you to tune the car to it's actual best performance since you don't notice what it's flaws are. Other than that it's just less enjoyable to drive a slow-ish car with F1-ish grip.
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It feels better than using comfort softs with the terrible sense of speed you feel as if you are sliding everywhere at 20mph and even more unrealistic!
 
JLawrence
If they're not sliding you're not pushing hard enough ;)

Anyways, back to the OP, no they won't deaden the car, they simply allow for higher speeds round any given bend, and when pushed to their limit react like any other tire. The problem people have is they see that they've cut 2 seconds off their time on a safe lap on sticky tires without realizing that by goin for it they can pick up another 2 or 3. This is where the bad rap comes from. Well, not to mention the fact that a 83Hp Beetle would never run on the highest compound racing tires.
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Totally true!

RS are actually harder to control when they let go!
 
RA1D3R
I agree, I typically use medium sports on my stock cars without any aids and its more fun than my fully tuned cars.
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+1 My Ferraris all have SM on them and they are fun to drive, but not as crazy as the RUF BTR...those Porsches on SM can be a handful.
 
In real life the suspensions and wheel linkages of cars not intended for track day usage don't last very long with racing tires. They're not made for such loads. Also issues with engine lubrication (especially wet sump engines), brakes, etc, arise without specific upgrades for high G cornering. GT5 doesn't simulate any of these problems.
 
I was using a modified Prius to test the top speed in a practice mode race. With RS on it accelerated slower than with the standard tyres because the car bogged down off the line. But I haven't had this happen with any other car so far.
 
pjs123456789
Your car will have better turning ability and more top end with the racing soft.
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Tires have no effect on top speed unless you can change the pressure, which doesn't matter in this instance since GT5 doesn't include that option
 

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