Racing Soft vs. Racing Rain

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Ok. First, for anyone that has already looked into this, I hope that they have found what I have found. Second, I'm not the best at time trials but I tried to do my best to give accurate results. And third, all tests where performed under the same car, car settings, and track. I had a idea where Racing Soft tires would perform better than Racing Rain tires under any condition.
Ex. 1: Weather at race start: 0%
Water Surface at race start: 0%

Ex. 2: Weather at race start: 100%
Water Surface at race start: 100%
So I decided to perform a test using these examples. Below is what I did to perform these and show what times I achieved. I will also list what track and car I did these with.

Track: High Speed Ring/changeable weather
Car: Red Bull X2010 S. Vettel
First Test
Weather at race start: 0%
Water surface at race start: 0%
Racing Soft: 34.908
Racing Rain: 39.701

Weather: 50%
Surface Water: 50%
Racing Soft: 36.108
Racing Rain: 39.628

Weather: 100%
Surface Water: 100%
Racing Soft: 37.092
Racing Rain: 39.539

Racing Rain do perform better under more raining conditions (that's if you we're to do these time trials with just Racing Rain) but Racing Soft performs even better under any condition. This will really show in the turns. With Racing Rain, I was only able to run at 216 mph without hitting the wall. Racing Soft: 237 mph. Try it yourself.
 
I'd like to see this done with a car that doesn't have more downforce than the Earth has gravity. Maybe an LMP, or another race car, or even try multiple cars to see how it holds up with different downforce, drivetrains, etc.
 
Agreed, your test is flawed. Use a real car and report back.

Also, use a track with more turns that aren't banked like Daytona.

Also, see how all of your laps with Rain tires were almost identical? And how you set your fastest time at 100% wet? That is preposterous. I don't believe they were all clean laps.
 
Agreed. The Red Bull X2010 is just not a very good "test" car. I would do like Porsche said and start with an LMP car and work your way down to normal everyday driver cars or you could do it by PP. Start at say A 650 PP car, then to a 500 PP car, and then to a 400 PP car. Something like that because the Red Bull X2010 is just a poor test car because of its unique design.
 
I'd also add that perhaps trying with a car that you know you can put in very consistent laps with - so that any driver error is eliminated.
 
Try a car that doesn't have a fan, set grip reduction to real and turn off skid recovery force and you'll find that racing soft tyres are impossible to use in rain conditions. Even comfort hard tyres are better than slicks when there's a lot of water on track.
 
Thing is though, the rain tires are more stable, albeit understeery.

If you can handle it, go for slicks, but if you're not the absolute best in the rain, use intermediates. If you really are not the best in the rain, use full on rain tires.
 
I've never done any real testing for this, but from various seasonals, online and offline races in the rain I have found that once the rain reaches about 35% I need to switch to inters. Between 60-70% rain I need full wets.

It would be interesting to see this tested with a real car and see where the cutoff is for laptimes. OP should also list what/if any driver aids are used.
 
Ok. For the people that called my times a flaw, I can understand that for the mere fact that its a X2010 and I ain't got no problem with that. What I'm going to do, using what the other users specified me on showing and using, I am going to post another time trial where 1. LMP car is used. May also use everyday cars. 2. Grip reduction: real. SRF: off. All aids expect ADS off. I will report back when I am done tonight.
 
Well everyone had a chance to tell different. And they were right. I feel so embarrassed. The times below were performed just 20 minutes ago.
Track: Circuit De La Sarthe 2009
Car: Mazda 787B Race Car '91
Weather at race start: 0%
Water Surface at race start: 0%
Racing Soft: 3:24.765
Racing Rain: 3:52.532

Weather at race start: 50%
Water surface at race start: 50%
Racing Soft: 4:15.391
Racing Rain: 3:58.391

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Uhm, I'm shy to request this but can you do that with a 4WD car? Like a Veyron, Escudo or something? Just wanna see the results if 4WD is set to 50-50. Thanks.
 
Track: Circuit De La Sarthe 2009/changeable weather
Car: Bugatti Veyron 16.4 '09
Weather at race start: 0%
Water Surface at race start: 0%
Racing Soft: 3:39.965
Racing Rain: 4:01.057
Weather at race start: 50%
Water surface at race start: 50%
Racing Soft: 4:16.412
Racing Rain: 3:51.661
 
So rain tyres work better in the rain.

Sorry, perhaps I'm missing something; surely this is common sense??
 
It wont be a 30 second different at Sarthe though..... Especially with a 4wd car and only 50% rain. More like 10seconds maybe.

Again, these laps are not clean.

You need to use a track that you can run consistent clean laps on or this entire test is useless.
 
I'm done. You guys can do whatever you want. Its just I was trying to be ******* help for one day and then I get my *** chewed out for it. Sorry that I was of any pain.
 
SilverFire
I'm done. You guys can do whatever you want. Its just I was trying to be ******* help for one day and then I get my *** chewed out for it. Sorry that I was of any pain.
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Wow, for a 15 year old, you sure do have a potty mouth. Next time try using the smilies in place of your dirty mouth.👍

And yes, I guess I just did min-mod. :lol: Old habits are hard to break I guess. :sly:
 
SilverFire
Track: Circuit De La Sarthe 2009/changeable weather
Car: Bugatti Veyron 16.4 '09
Weather at race start: 0%
Water Surface at race start: 0%
Racing Soft: 3:39.965
Racing Rain: 4:01.057
Weather at race start: 50%
Water surface at race start: 50%
Racing Soft: 4:16.412
Racing Rain: 3:51.661
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Thanks for posting this one. Is the 4WD set to 50-50? I'm sure it is.

Anyway, I don't see why people are treating the OP differently. The topic was just about the lap times of RS and RR tires on some tracks, yet, some people, well, treat OP as if the guy knows nothing. Let's just keep this thread good going so that it won't be closed by someone. God bless!
 
SilverFire
Yeah, it was set to 50/50...
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Ok, good. If you can try one more, can you try the Escudo too? 4WD should also be set to 50-50 on both RS and RR tires. Thanks.
 
SilverFire
Sorry, I can't. I don't have that car yet. I'll try to get one ASAP. Thanks for letting me help though.
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Oh, okay. You can get one through Seasonal Events > 4WD Challenge, I think. If you win 1st place, your reward will be that car. Once you get it, go to GT Auto and change it's oil first before testing it's lap times with RS and RR so that the car will have it's original HP. Will be looking to it's lap times once you post it. Thanks!
 
Maybe it's just me, but I have always felt the intermediates were by far the better tire in the rain after about 20-30% surface water. Even at 100% surface water, they feel way better than rains.
 
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Maybe it's just me, but I have always felt the intermediates were by far the better tire in the rain after about 20-30% surface water. Even at 100% surface water, they feel way better than rains.
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Does it have faster lap times than with Racing Rain tires?
 

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