Racing Softs for Real?

[colepepper]

Do racing cars IRL have tires as grippy as RS or are these more GT5 fiction parts?

 

[Dundermuffin666]

No, I find Sports hard/ medium to be the ideal tires for many races. Racing softs provide about two levels more of grip than cars will have in real life( race cars)

 

[Vitzio]

Racing sorts are real, if you watch F1 like me, they always use super soft tires to have maximum grip, that or compound tires.

 

[ps3dan101]

No, I find Sports hard/ medium to be the ideal tires for many races. Racing softs provide about two levels more of grip than cars will have in real life( race cars)

Well not really, real life race cars run slick tires that offer huge levels of grip . In F1 they have a soft compound that is hugely grippy aswell as the normal compound

 

[iamsupernasty]

I wouldn't be so quick to say no. I bet that some Super Soft Formula 1 Qualifying tires probably have similar grip. The difference is those tires would only last a couple of laps, rendering them useless as race tires - whereas the Racing Soft tires in GT can last 15 laps or more depending on the track and car.

 

[colepepper]

I wouldn't be so quick to say no. I bet that some Super Soft Formula 1 Qualifying tires probably have similar grip. The difference is those tires would only last a couple of laps, rendering them useless as race tires - whereas the Racing Soft tires in GT can last 15 laps or more depending on the track and car.

So what your saying is that I can put tires that perform better than F1 tires on a Civic?

 

[decho]

Do racing cars IRL have tires as grippy as RS or are these more GT5 fiction parts?

Lots of people mix public roads whit racing tracs, racing tracs have a lot more grip then the public road,obviously.. there is one thing, you cant simulate fear.. but you can always turn damage on..

 

[iamsupernasty]

So what your saying is that I can put tires that perform better than F1 tires on a Civic?

Yes.

If you somehow found wheels for your Civic that were the correct size to accept Formula One Race tires, then you were willing to spend $5,000 per tire, and were able to convince the manufacturers to sell you a set, then you could certainly have Racing Soft tires on your Civic.

Not plausible, and certainly not something that would ever happen. The tires DO exist though.

 

[mac901]

Yes.

If you somehow found wheels for your Civic that were the correct size to accept Formula One Race tires, then you were willing to spend $5,000 per tire, and were able to convince the manufacturers to sell you a set, then you could certainly have Racing Soft tires on your Civic.

Not plausible, and certainly not something that would ever happen. The tires DO exist though.

lol anything is possible if you got some money to blow

 

[CMvan46]

lol anything is possible if you got some money to blow

Yep.

I do agree those tires exist but not for anything useful but qualifying more than likely.

 

[TenEightyOne]

Racing Softs are probably best equated to the F1-style 'qualifying' tyres. Bear in mind that offline/online grip levels are quite different too.

Offline + Racing Softs might be pushing credibility as far as real-world comparisons go.

 

[IceMan PJN]

Racing sorts are real, if you watch F1 like me, they always use super soft tires to have maximum grip, that or compound tires.

Not exactly. The tire manufacture makes several grades of compounds, and among them they bring two to the circuit for the weekend, one harder and one softer. They don't always bring the softest possible. In fact, for 2011, Monaco is the first race out of six in which they've brought the softest compound available for this season (super-soft).

I wouldn't be so quick to say no. I bet that some Super Soft Formula 1 Qualifying tires probably have similar grip. The difference is those tires would only last a couple of laps, rendering them useless as race tires - whereas the Racing Soft tires in GT can last 15 laps or more depending on the track and car.

Racing Softs are probably best equated to the F1-style 'qualifying' tyres. Bear in mind that offline/online grip levels are quite different too.

Two different references to "qualifying tires", and a misconception about them being useful only for qualifying.

The cars must start the race on the exact same tires that they qualified on. I don't just mean the same compound, either, but the exact tires that were on when they made their fastest qualifying lap. They can't wear out a set for qualifying and then go to another set of the same compound, but rather must use the exact same set, no matter what their condition.

They also use the same compound during the race. A driver might stop three times for tires, making for a total of four sets he's used just for the race, and if his softest available tires ("Option") are in decent shape for the race, he may very well use all three available sets and then make one stint on the harder tire. Of course, tire strategy can vary, and someone might opt to run for a long time on one set of the harder ("Prime") tire and pit just once, with the shorter stint being on the soft tire, but they all use the soft tire at some point and generally will use multiple sets of softs.

In short, they don't have a super-soft that they use for qualifying and then don't race on them. They race on the exact same tires with which they qualify.

EDIT:
I forgot that I also wanted to clear up something about the life of the soft tire. They actually do last longer than just a couple laps. In fact, up through last year, a driver that's careful with his tires could get the soft compound to last an entire sixty-some lap race, only pitting for tires to comply with the regulations that require all drivers to use a set of each compound. Drivers that don't mind their tires could still expect fifteen laps from them; maybe more. Even for 2011, where the FIA deliberately requested tires that fall apart quickly, the soft tires can still last maybe a dozen laps, give or take.

Are you guys sure you watch Formula One?

 

[colepepper]

The thing is that I would love to use sports tires more but you almost have to use RS to keep up in almost all online rooms since everyone else uses them.

 

[DrTrebor007]

Not exactly. The tire manufacture makes several grades of compounds, and among them they bring two to the circuit for the weekend, one harder and one softer. They don't always bring the softest possible. In fact, for 2011, Monaco is the first race out of six in which they've brought the softest compound available for this season (super-soft).





Two different references to "qualifying tires", and a misconception about them being useful only for qualifying.

The cars must start the race on the exact same tires that they qualified on. I don't just mean the same compound, either, but the exact tires that were on when they made their fastest qualifying lap. They can't wear out a set for qualifying and then go to another set of the same compound, but rather must use the exact same set, no matter what their condition.

They also use the same compound during the race. A driver might stop three times for tires, making for a total of four sets he's used just for the race, and if his softest available tires ("Option") are in decent shape for the race, he may very well use all three available sets and then make one stint on the harder tire. Of course, tire strategy can vary, and someone might opt to run for a long time on one set of the harder ("Prime") tire and pit just once, with the shorter stint being on the soft tire, but they all use the soft tire at some point and generally will use multiple sets of softs.

In short, they don't have a super-soft that they use for qualifying and then don't race on them. They race on the exact same tires with which they qualify.

EDIT:
I forgot that I also wanted to clear up something about the life of the soft tire. They actually do last longer than just a couple laps. In fact, up through last year, a driver that's careful with his tires could get the soft compound to last an entire sixty-some lap race, only pitting for tires to comply with the regulations that require all drivers to use a set of each compound. Drivers that don't mind their tires could still expect fifteen laps from them; maybe more. Even for 2011, where the FIA deliberately requested tires that fall apart quickly, the soft tires can still last maybe a dozen laps, give or take.

Are you guys sure you watch Formula One?

Would that Happen to be Button?? Or Vettel?? Both Meisters of making Tyres Last

 

[FishHunters]

There are "real-world" tires that will almost grip the wall!

 

[GTP_Monkey]

So what your saying is that I can put tires that perform better than F1 tires on a Civic?

Possibly but you wont get the best from them as your civic doest have the setup and downforce required.

 

[colepepper]

Possibly but you wont get the best from them as your civic doest have the setup and downforce required.

What I mean to say is tires are available in GT5 that perform as well if not better than the grippiest F1 tires to put on ordinary cars such as a Civic.

 

[iamsupernasty]

What I mean to say is, are tires available in GT5 to put on ordinary cars such as a Civic, that perform as well if not better than the grippiest F1 tires?

No.

 

[skylinefx]

It would be very difficult to compare real life tyres and in game tyres... Maybe even impossible.

 

[XDesperado67]

What I mean to say is tires are available in GT5 that perform as well if not better than the grippiest F1 tires to put on ordinary cars such as a Civic.

It's all about money...there are countless tire companies out there that make all sorts of special purpose tires, many of them make them to order as well, but you will pay a premium for those tires. So if you have the money you can get super sticky tires made for your geo metro or Kei car. How much they would improve the handling would depend on the suspension being set up to take advantage of them and the cars engine actually having the Bhp and torque to require that level of grip for maximum potential performance.

As for the question about how much grip a real world tire has vs what's portrayed in the game watch NHRA drag racing sometime and explain how you transmit 3000 bhp and vast quantities of torque into the acceleration they have without tires that act like duct tape. Some of the biggest improvements in elapsed time and top speed in drag racing are due to improvements in tire technology. Every form of top level motorsports has its own requirements for tires and their performance so a variety of factors come into play. I believe that PD rather than giving us hundreds of tire options gave us a limited and useful set of tire options that cover a wide range of performance types in the real world. If you don't like using a certain type of tire either online or off then don't use them. Online look for rooms that have tire restrictions and/or join racing leagues with tire restrictions.

 

[Sohvakettu]

The Civic wouldn't get those tires up to their operating temperatures though.

Generaly speaking the tire grip and wear depends on the track conditions and car setup. In real life you would be better of in "mediums" than in molten softs for example.