Racing Softs looked down upon?

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Tell that to the guy in my H-stock autocross series. :sly: He put racing slicks on a white Corolla Tercel. :yuck: They were small, but... I mean, wow. That Corolla was fast. And, no, no 2.2 Camry.
 
I prefer racing cars with racing soft tires. I drive the lesser grip tires in the seasonal events when required. I don't feel there is any reason to use the lesser grip tires unless you want to. You just adjust your driving for the setup either way.
 
It's not about driving only with Comforts/Sports that makes you a better driver, it's not about Racing Softs giving way too much grip compared to real life, it's not about driving 250 pp cars or 750 pp cars. Sometimes I may just feel like whipping up a stock Lancia Stratos on Comfort Hards 'round the 'ring, and other times I may fully tune a street car, slap Racing Softs on it and try to make it as fast as possible, and sometimes it's something in between. For me it's about mixing it up and having fun, instead of sticking up to some holy rules that try to follow real life logic.
 
g0ld
It's not about driving only with Comforts/Sports that makes you a better driver, it's not about Racing Softs giving way too much grip compared to real life, it's not about driving 250 pp cars or 750 pp cars. Sometimes I may just feel like whipping up a stock Lancia Stratos on Comfort Hards 'round the 'ring, and other times I may fully tune a street car, slap Racing Softs on it and try to make it as fast as possible, and sometimes it's something in between. For me it's about mixing it up and having fun, instead of sticking up to some holy rules that try to follow real life logic.
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Quite correct my good man!
 
NSXDriver
driver skill is driver skill, i'll beat just about anyone on racing softs or sports softs, doesn't matter.
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Well, if you are that good, take it to here, see if you can beat the Ring Meisters on racing soft.

Ring Masters Challenge

You forgot to mention comfort tires, if you are good at racing and sports, you should be good on comfort, why don't you give a try the latest TT with Skyline of comfort at Deep Forest :)
 
i see were every one is coming from but i think that mosly that raceing soft tires r beeing used for holt laps and drag raceing were max girp is needed other than that i dont care what people use
 
NSXDriver
driver skill is driver skill, i'll beat just about anyone on racing softs or sports softs, doesn't matter.
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Ridox2JZGTE
Well, if you are that good, take it to here, see if you can beat the Ring Meisters on racing soft.

Ring Masters Challenge

You forgot to mention comfort tires, if you are good at racing and sports, you should be good on comfort, why don't you give a try the latest TT with Skyline of comfort at Deep Forest :)
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Even if you can beat 99/100 people which I would consider beating "just about anyone" you still might not finish in the top 200 of a TT. As NSX said, skill is skill. I've yet to run across anyone who was fast on one type of compound but slow and uncompetitive on a much harder or softer one as well. If you have the skill to drive fast, you can do it on just about any compound in any car, given enough time to orient yourself.
 
Johnnypenso
Even if you can beat 99/100 people which I would consider beating "just about anyone" you still might not finish in the top 200 of a TT. As NSX said, skill is skill. I've yet to run across anyone who was fast on one type of compound but slow and uncompetitive on a much harder or softer one as well. If you have the skill to drive fast, you can do it on just about any compound in any car, given enough time to orient yourself.
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I have seen enough in my online room ... most people who joined in when I have comfort tire restriction and no ABS or other aids - end up crashing, too slow or sliding all over the place, then when I was kind enough to allow racing tires and driving aids, suddenly they transformed into another being - no sliding or crashing at least and fast enough to have close racing. I guess driver skill is hard to measure unless we see them perform in all tires grade, with and without aids ( ABS ) - to see if they stay consistent or not.
 
A highly skilled driver will be fast on ANY tyre... A less skilled driver will be disproportionally more competitive the more grip the tyres have.
 
Stotty
A highly skilled driver will be fast on ANY tyre...
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Sadly, that is a rare thing online, an easy way to gauge is opening a low grip tire ( comfort ) room, and witness how rare to have a driver that can drive cleanly and decently fast without any aids ( ABS ), if they can, surely they will be fast on sports and racing tires :D
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Sadly, that is a rare thing online, an easy way to gauge is opening a low grip tire ( comfort ) room, and witness how rare to have a driver that can drive cleanly and decently fast without any aids ( ABS ), if they can, surely they will be fast on sports and racing tires :D
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Anyone who can drive fast with a reasonably quick car on comfort tyres will be fast in any car in the game, period 👍

Aids are irrelevent as far as I'm concerned, as other than SRF (which is more of a different physics model than an aid) they just slow you down.

The ABS thing is understandable though - I'm a reasonably quick GT5 driver, but I'd likely be off the road at the first corner without ABS.

The way brakes work in GT5, the rubbish tyre/grip model and the way even the best pedal sets feel makes driving without ABS uneccessarily difficult IMO. I had plenty of cars without ABS in my younger years, and I've driven plenty of cars without ABS on tracks in more recent years, and none of them had a propensity to lock their wheels like GT5 cars do.
 
Stotty
I had plenty of cars without ABS in my younger years
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But that was when everybody still drove horses and carriages. :sly:

But jokes aside, even if you drive cars with ABS, how many times have you ever had it activate? I bet apart from snow, almost never.
 
NLxAROSA
But that was when everybody still drove horses and carriages. :sly:

But jokes aside, even if you drive cars with ABS, how many times have you ever had it activate? I bet apart from snow, almost never.
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:lol: Larse 👍

True... I can't remember the last time I felt the ABS trigger on my daily... though I don't really tend to drive that car like that.

The ABS triggers on the Porsche somewhat frequently, and sometimes when you least expect it. But the front has so little weight and is pretty stiff laterally that it's understandable... it normally happens whilst trail braking over sharp bumps/broken tramac.

Having said that, it's so much harder to lock wheels in RL than in GT5.
 
Stotty
Anyone who can drive fast with a reasonably quick car on comfort tyres will be fast in any car in the game, period 👍

Aids are irrelevent as far as I'm concerned, as other than SRF (which is more of a different physics model than an aid) they just slow you down.

The ABS thing is understandable though - I'm a reasonably quick GT5 driver, but I'd likely be off the road at the first corner without ABS.

The way brakes work in GT5, the rubbish tyre/grip model and the way even the best pedal sets feel makes driving without ABS uneccessarily difficult IMO. I had plenty of cars without ABS in my younger years, and I've driven plenty of cars without ABS on tracks in more recent years, and none of them had a propensity to lock their wheels like GT5 cars do.
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Stotty
Having said that, it's so much harder to lock wheels in RL than in GT5.
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Maybe the no ABS locking issues are more due to the input device - over sensitive pedals , I've met several wheel driver who could drive without ABS without much drama and almost as fast with ABS on ( they mostly have modded the pedal )

If I can do these with a pad and I am mediocre at best in GT5, I am sure with a proper pedal and wheel, anyone who practice can do it too :


Pagani Zonda R '09 at Spa Francorchamps, 2:42.345




Dodge Viper GTS '02 at Road Course Daytona, 2:10.372



McLaren F1 '94 at Suzuka, 2:28.438



Ferrari 599 at London Reverse, 1:04.077


If you want to go further with no ABS driving, I suggest to visit this thread :

ABS 0 community where are you???

When you can drive without you know what without fear of easily locking up, you will never go back, a totally different game and experience.
 
SimonK
He's off again. This thread is about racing soft tyres, not ABS.
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Creepy, are you stalking every one of my post in GTP ? Within minutes ... a record time, anyway please ignore my post if you don't like it or report it, that's the mechanism here in GTP, right ?
 
I looked at a pedal mod for my G27 and I would have got one if I had a solidly fixed rig, not to enable driving without ABS, just to make the pedal feel a bit more realistic - ie; an increase resistance as the pedal moved through its travel. But the feedback I read said that with a wheelstand pro the rig isn't located solidly enough to allow the rig to stay stationary when you reach the firm part of the pedal travel.

The key issue with GT5 and braking is that there no feel/sensation feedback to let you know when the wheels have locked... makes it very difficult to threshold brake as you would in a real car.

As it stands, I might get 2-3 hours on GT5 during a good week... with only limited hours to play I'm not really motivated to go through the learning process.
 
Stotty
I looked at a pedal mod for my G27 and I would have got one if I had a solidly fixed rig, not to enable driving without ABS, just to make the pedal feel a bit more realistic - ie; an increase resistance as the pedal moved through its travel. But the feedback I read said that with a wheelstand pro the rig isn't located solidly enough to allow the rig to stay stationary when you reach the firm part of the pedal travel.

The key issue with GT5 and braking is that there no feel/sensation feedback to let you know when the wheels have locked... makes it very difficult to threshold brake as you would in a real car.

As it stands, I might get 2-3 hours on GT5 during a good week... with only limited hours to play I'm not really motivated to go through the learning process.
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I understand your point, that aside I quoted my post here about a nice cheap spring upgrade for your G27, not just for no ABS use, but I think it might give better feel when threshold braking etc and the review have been good, so here goes :
Ridox2JZGTE
I found this thread, a cheap alternative to get better brakes or no ABS driving GTEYE progressive spring brake mod, check it here :

NEW Release GTEYE Progressive Brake Spring Mod for G25 G27

If anyone still having issues with brake pedal even after using other mods or sponge ball trick, this might give the answer.

Review by InsideSIMRacing :



Looks great to me.
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Stotty
I looked at a pedal mod for my G27 and I would have got one if I had a solidly fixed rig, not to enable driving without ABS, just to make the pedal feel a bit more realistic - ie; an increase resistance as the pedal moved through its travel. But the feedback I read said that with a wheelstand pro the rig isn't located solidly enough to allow the rig to stay stationary when you reach the firm part of the pedal travel.

The key issue with GT5 and braking is that there no feel/sensation feedback to let you know when the wheels have locked... makes it very difficult to threshold brake as you would in a real car.

As it stands, I might get 2-3 hours on GT5 during a good week... with only limited hours to play I'm not really motivated to go through the learning process.
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I personally don't see a reason to increase resistance in pedals, will probably make you slower and also harder on the equipment. I suppose it depends on person, what feel you prefer.

It should not be hard to learn driving with no ABS, only took me a few minutes to get half decent at it, obviously not as good as the aliens but the same goes with ABS on ;).

I posted my thoughts on no ABS on the thread Ridox linked to.
 
Ridox2JZGTE
Well, if you are that good, take it to here, see if you can beat the Ring Meisters on racing soft.

Ring Masters Challenge

You forgot to mention comfort tires, if you are good at racing and sports, you should be good on comfort, why don't you give a try the latest TT with Skyline of comfort at Deep Forest :)
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that's an awesome idea, definitely getting in on it, oh and as for comforts i meant racing not drifting :)
 
Ridox2JZGTE
I have seen enough in my online room ... most people who joined in when I have comfort tire restriction and no ABS or other aids - end up crashing, too slow or sliding all over the place, then when I was kind enough to allow racing tires and driving aids, suddenly they transformed into another being - no sliding or crashing at least and fast enough to have close racing. I guess driver skill is hard to measure unless we see them perform in all tires grade, with and without aids ( ABS ) - to see if they stay consistent or not.
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Those same people didn't crash on RS tires but my guess is they weren't very fast either. Staying on the track and being truly fast are two different things.
 
Morgoth_666
Last I checked online lobbies were still 99.9% racing soft, excluding drift rooms. So there are still plenty of people out there who don't "look down on them" and somehow manage to enjoy using them. Many people who enjoy feeling and controlling the car's balance never liked them and still don't. I don't think much has changed except perhaps the population of active GTP users.
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Absolutely! I was hosting a room where i enforced racing mediums or less, and i was repeatedly asked to allow racing softs. I lost most of the people in the room, but it sorted the men from the boys, so to speak!? :lol:

Racing Mediums arn't that bad...it just means you have to drive properly and you can't get away with missing braking points, applying too much power while turning, etc.

One person wanted it on racing hards, but i already had the tyre wear on very fast, and there's no point waiting the whole race for hard tyres to warm up and once they finally do, the race is over!? So, i figured racing mediums would be a decent compromise... Apparently not. :(
 
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I don't use RS that much because I drift a lot but I do use CM and you really have to slow down so you don't slip/slide so needs more controlling which is more fun and realistic for me.
 
Depending on the car i use RS on the front and RM on the back and find it can help alot.
 
i always use racing tyres coz i am not a drifter i prefer racing with cars but when i have to use sport tyres i don't see drifting and balancing i see a unressponsive car however i do use RN more especially on longer races with tyre depletion.
 
I always use racing softs online, because everybody else uses them too. :sly: Also, if I use harder tires, I won't be competitive and I'll be called a "n00b lol". :grumpy: Offline, I rarely use them. However, right now I'm using them, for I'm trying to beat Like the Wind Daytona Road with the Premium 2006 Ford GT. :scared:

EDIT: Pwned them! :D

~GT5Power
 
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I'm doing a league called the green kingdom. I did the 1st race, i was using a lotus evora with rn 1st then switch to rs but it didn't feel right so later i switch back to rn and came 3rd overall.
 

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