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Is it me or the rally races alot harder then they were in gt3. I'm having such a hard time getting through these races. It might be because i suck at rally racing or i'm just not use to the new physics for this type of race. If anyone cane help by providing tips or techniques to help get me through these races or even to improve my skill I would greatly appreciate it.
 
I agree that the rallying is harder in GT4. I golded most of the dirt liscense tests for rallys in GT3 on the first shot. I was alot better at the rallys than pavement races. I don't know if its the physics or what....but it is not as easy as it was in GT3. I can't walk away with the rally races like I used to.
 
They do seem harder, but you'll get used to it. I've never driven a rally car in real life so I can't tell you if it's correct, but a lot of people said it was more realistic.
 
evo_VIII_dude
i have trouble with with completing the rally races . The reason its so hard is because in this gt 4 i really feels like you are actually in the car .
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Yeah, you can really feel the weight of the car.
 
I don't find the Rally's that hard, but I know my technique isn't the best. Under Easy and Normal, I won by 15 seconds plus, but once I got to the Hard ones, I started having trouble. I'm using the Peuguot (sp?) 206 Rally Car, and found it to be better than the two Subaru Rally cars I tried cause it was easier to get the back end to swing around, I actually don't even really touch the e-brake with it. But my technique of just swinging my end around and letting the butt of the car slide around the wall as my car spins its tires trying to grab traction isn't the best, but it has left me with only 4 more races under Hard left to do, which isn't bad I guess.
 
I havent had a problem with the rally courses that carried over from GT3, but the grand canyon and ice arena courses really gave me a hard time. The cornering limits are definately lower which means it's less forgiving of mistakes. Not to mention those are two, verry narow tracks that I have zero wheel time with. I guess that means it's just going to take practice.
 
Real life rallying is VERY hard, anyone who's done some mild/high speed's on dirt,gravel,snow and ice can attest to what it feels like. Theres not much grip in real life, none of that pitching the car 90* sideways and flooring the gas that you could do in GT3. GT3 was a pathetic attempt at rallying, GT4 is much more like real life with the exceptions of the tracks and car damage. The dirt tracks should be alot! more narrow than they are to simulate real life rallys better, and there really should be run off room. Course the 3rd thing would be damage but since its not in GT4 theres no point in harping on that too much other than saying it would be welcomed some.

I don't have any problems with rallying in GT4, and i'm a DFP user whom uses the sequential shifter at all times in every single car except for the F1 when I use the paddle shifters. Since i've done some driving on dirt/gravel and snow in real life I understand the grip levels involved and what I can do, therefore I know that the key is to go slow in, drift the apex, and blast out of the corner when I either know I will make the blind exit or if I can actually see the corner exit. I long since broke the GT3 rally habits of having way to much grip for the surface that i'm driving on. Once you relearn the limits of driving on dirt/gravel/snow/ice then you shouldn't have that many problems.
 
Just to add a my two-pence for what it is worth...

For those who might be struggling with getting the feel for the new physics (I guess that is what it is) in GT4 Rally and especially as it relates to Grand Canyon: You might want to give the 03 Mitsu Evo Super Rally Car a go. It's available as the last car in the "New Cars" line-up for the bargain basement price of 1,250,000 (or thereabouts).

Although I am not usually a fan of the Evos and tend toward uarabuS I found that car really stable around Grand Canyon. Much more so than any other I have run.

You really don't need to do much to the setup either. I did a knee-jerk setup of drop the ride height to 130 f/r, upped the brakes to 6/6, set the asm/tcs to 0/0/1, dropped the tranny 2 clicks on the bar (whatever that ends up being) so I could run 2/3/4 gears instead of 1/2/3 and dropped the front to rear bias to 30 so I could managed controlled hook-up through the corners and off I went.

From there, I think pass points and patience is key. Although there are others, I found the easiest passpoints were:

Running the normal route, AI screws up the second hairpin around the canyon nearly everytime and so that ended up being my passpoint.

Running the reverse, AI screws up the first hairpin after the start and sets up the opportunity for you to pass on the inside on the ensuing uphill or corner.

I have also found the best way around the canyon both ways is to push the burms on the tight corners and try to stay in the confines of the lightest colored dirt on the sweepers.

Final notes for those who don't want to spend the dough for the Evo, tranny setting is most important for me on the canyon. I find with any of the rally cars I have run there, setting the auto lower helps me run in 2/3/4 rather than 1/2/3 and I am able to feather the gas much more effectively.

[edit/add] If you are practicing first, I think an average time of around 2:38's or lower will win handily in the Hard mode of the Canyon.

Hope this helps anyone who might need it.

phattboy (stubbornly running the DS2)
 
The worst thing Is on the Special Conditions Hall. Even if you have a more powerful car to burn off the other, You keep getting 5 second penaltys for the slightest touch when u over take. Gay!
 
I've done all bar 2 of the special conditions races, so long as you've got a decent car (power doesn't equal win every time) then you're golden. I've found the rally easier than GT3 so far.
 
I HAVE TO AGREE, the DEGREEE of homosexuality they have incoorparated with the 5 sec penalty.

its hard your about to win the race and then a 5 SEC PENALTIY,

Major **** up in gt4 if u ask me, Why not apply the same delay to the other car.
 
goldenarms
I HAVE TO AGREE, the DEGREEE of homosexuality they have incoorparated with the 5 sec penalty.

its hard your about to win the race and then a 5 SEC PENALTIY,

Major **** up in gt4 if u ask me, Why not apply the same delay to the other car.
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I've found this 5 second delay thing to be a help more than anything, I make sure I don't get them. Helps with becoming a better driver, skills that can be applied else-where in the game. Learn the tracks, know your car, don't think you can win off-the-bat (as I did at first.)
 
Now I just want to ask, I was told there was a code that you put into the GTP that changes the dynamics of it for Rally. Is this true or not.

And as far as the Rally goes , I use the controller for the rally instead of the DTP. It's much easier. Infact on the third to last Super Lisence I found it nest to impossible to do with the DFP. I did it about 20-30 times with out comeing close. I tried using the controller, and BOOM, beat it on my firs attemp.!
 
My advice is don't use a fast car, Well what i mean is i won the road rallys and got the Lancia delta S4 rally car and thought ha nothings gonna beat this, 👎 , i can get a faster lap time in a standard Lancer evo7 ( the car i used to win more than half of the special conditions hall) than i can in a fast rally car especially on snow. Also many people make the mistake of trying to drift round corners, don't, drive like you would on acurcuit and the car will slide if wants. 👍

Hope any of this makes sense/helps :)
 
Biggs
The worst thing Is on the Special Conditions Hall. Even if you have a more powerful car to burn off the other, You keep getting 5 second penaltys for the slightest touch when u over take. Gay!
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yea i really hate that when they 🤬 bump u and u get a penalty

[edit by mod]: Please don't try to get around the swear filter.
 
Jacks
My advice is don't use a fast car, Well what i mean is i won the road rallys and got the Lancia delta S4 rally car and thought ha nothings gonna beat this, 👎 , i can get a faster lap time in a standard Lancer evo7 ( the car i used to win more than half of the special conditions hall) than i can in a fast rally car especially on snow. Also many people make the mistake of trying to drift round corners, don't, drive like you would on acurcuit and the car will slide if wants. 👍

Hope any of this makes sense/helps :)
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I hear what u are saying, but u are talking to a bunch of drift happy guys who love to get sideways, but i had to slow down to go fast, i made a faster time when i did so

also keeping ur ratios close helped me
 
Biggs
The worst thing Is on the Special Conditions Hall. Even if you have a more powerful car to burn off the other, You keep getting 5 second penaltys for the slightest touch when u over take.
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It seems that you are less likely to get the penalty if it is only the rear third (or so) of the car that hits the edge if the race track or your opponent.
 
I use the Lancer u find in the Mitsubishi new garage. that thing is perfect for rally races, just upgrade it, and vuala. That cars rearend will slide so good I've won every rally race by over 15 seconds, and thats including some hard events.
 
The 5 second penalties make a lot of sense to me. In GT3 you could just ride the walls around the rally tracks to win. In GT4 you have to stick to the track. The only problem is that on 2 player rally races there are no 5 second penalties, so my friends who I race against end up beating me by bouncing off every wall available, while I try to beautifully slide my car round the track.
 
Group C Fanatic
The 5 second penalties make a lot of sense to me. In GT3 you could just ride the walls around the rally tracks to win. In GT4 you have to stick to the track. The only problem is that on 2 player rally races there are no 5 second penalties, so my friends who I race against end up beating me by bouncing off every wall available, while I try to beautifully slide my car round the track.
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Depends on the impact speed and angle you take them really. You can coast most of Tahiti Maze / Chamonix around the barriers at high speed.
 
blackheart
It seems that you are less likely to get the penalty if it is only the rear third (or so) of the car that hits the edge if the race track or your opponent.
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"less likely" is the key. While I do agree with you, I've seen that this is not always the case. Take my experience with driving mission #10, which says to pass the 3 cars at 3 specific points - the two chicane turns and the hairpin turn at the end. It took me forever to beat, one of the reasons being that the third car back (the red one) would sometimes come back up ahead of me after the first turn and rear-end me, giving me a 5 seceond penalty while he speeds off with his friends. BAH!
 
Group C Fanatic
The 5 second penalties make a lot of sense to me. In GT3 you could just ride the walls around the rally tracks to win. In GT4 you have to stick to the track. The only problem is that on 2 player rally races there are no 5 second penalties, so my friends who I race against end up beating me by bouncing off every wall available, while I try to beautifully slide my car round the track.
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OK fair point, But i dont bounce of walls, its just very annoying when uve come out of a corner and ur on fulll throttle and u cant avoid bumping the car in front cos u dont wanna break tooo much and loose time.

Its just poinltless, OK why not just put the 5 sec for full on IMPACT say against the wall, its just annoying.

What do u guys think of the main drivers view at the point of impact the way the screen goes blurryy, i think its cool, can be off putting sometime but cool.
 
I say it's the sliding on the dirt and snow more now. Also those damn penalties that set you back. I suggest tail riding the walls, sure it's cheap, but hey, it's not exactly cheating. I have done this for a few races I could not beat. I finished every single rally race in the game.
 
Never driven a real rally car but i've seen alot of onboard camera clips and I can't see how Gt4 rally:yuck:should be defined as "more real" than the prequel. Rally fans IMO should go for Xbox Rallisport Challenge2 or Ps2 Wrc4 instead.
 
Man if you want some real fun do what i did.

For all of the special condition courses that allow you to have street tyres use the minolta with supersofts. you grip like mad, and since there is no tire wear you have nothing to worry about.

going 230mph down those narrow ass straights is FUN !
 
Wildhalcyon
"less likely" is the key. While I do agree with you, I've seen that this is not always the case. Take my experience with driving mission #10, which says to pass the 3 cars at 3 specific points - the two chicane turns and the hairpin turn at the end. It took me forever to beat, one of the reasons being that the third car back (the red one) would sometimes come back up ahead of me after the first turn and rear-end me, giving me a 5 seceond penalty while he speeds off with his friends. BAH!
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At least you passed that mission. I'm stuck on it because I suck.

Now, I must say, I don't like being bumped on a pass attempt to get a 5 second penalty. I can understand it for hitting a while, but I really suck at rallying too...so it kinda sucks. The courses are A LOT more narrower than GT3...or at least they look that way to me. I liked the space I had to swing my car out. It's a lot harder for me to do it now without at least tapping a wall.
 
I had trouble finishing the Grand Canyon and Charmoix races on Hard. Then yesterday I decided I was going to do them if they killed me and did all of them with my Suzuki Escudo. I made both my passes for the lead at the Grand Canyon on the last lap, that track is so hard to pass on.
 
Biggs
The worst thing Is on the Special Conditions Hall. Even if you have a more powerful car to burn off the other, You keep getting 5 second penaltys for the slightest touch when u over take. Gay!
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Agreed!

But they dont slow down if they smash into you!
 

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