Ramming or not...

[AutoAki]

Yesterday there was great races in 600PP Suzuka. Thanks for everybody who was there. I was thinking, why so many had GTP, GT5net and GTRP in their nicks. Now I know. Respect for all of You.

Tight racing is best what I know, and when it's tight, always happens too.
I'm new here, so I liked to know what you think about this kind of accidents.

So... two question about your opinions, about accidents what happens sometimes.

1. Car nr.1 drives too fast to a tight curve (example hairpin in Suzuka) , and goes littlebit wide, but manage to handle situation and come back insideline... same time car nr.2 sees his opportunity to pass and they crash. Car nr.2 has good insideline, and much more speed, so braking don't help.



2. Car nr.1 goes much faster on straight than Car nr.2, and passes this just in the end of main straight, and moves right front of him and start braking. Car nr.2 has much better braking setups or tyres, and he dont expect that early breaking point, so they crash.



I have to admit that yesterday I was couple times that car nr.2, and if I hurt somebodys feelings, I'm sorry...really. Those bothers me, thats why I ask your opinions. I think that I really had nothing to do in those situations.

Seems that some drivers (not GTP...) tune their cars to go like 300 on straight, but then they have to start braking half mile before curve. I think, that in Suzuka that's not very good strategy. Quite often they are French or Spanish i've noticed.

 

[RUFin]

I think they have to bee drunk drivers(Rattijuoppo,ja Stadi vei)

 

[StevenDunn99]

Seems that some drivers (not GTP...) tune their cars to go like 300 on straight, but then they have to start braking half mile before curve. I think, that in Suzuka that's not very good strategy. Quite often they are French or Spanish i've noticed.

I noticed that as well.

If I overtake on a straight I do not get back in front of the overtaken car if I am anywhere near the braking zone because;
I could brake first and get accidentally rammed,
I could brake late and get deliberately rammed ie being used as a brake or as revenge for overtaking,
or by getting in front the following car then goes into the braking zone faster than they expected because they are now slipstreaming and hence a ram.

At the Suzuka hairpin, I just take a defensive line, ie grab the inside and hope, but usually things work out because by the time you get there the field is a bit more spread out.

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

1. Car nr.1 drives too fast to a tight curve (example hairspin in Suzuka) , and goes littlebit wide, but manage to handle situation and come back insideline... same time car nr.2 sees his opportunity to pass and they crash. Car nr.2 has good insideline, and much more speed, so braking don't help.

Car 1 shouldnt come back inside if he knows someone is inside in an overtake, whether he's handled the situation or not - he's been beat and should concede the place. Of course sometimes car1 isn't really sure exactly where car2 is on the road because of blind spot - accidents can happen - not really a blame situation

2. Car nr.1 goes much faster on straight than Car nr.2, and passes this just in the end of main straight, and moves right front of him and start braking. Car nr.2 has much better braking setups or tyres, and he dont expect that early breaking point, so they crash.

Guilty! I've had a bad habit of doing this (just add sphinx) running toward 130R on suzuka. Sometimes I get away with it but that's no excuse - if I've done this to you then I apologise, now I stay inside and take the corner slow and tight or stay behind car 2 in the hope that I'm in a position to challenge through Casio. In my opinion this is definitely car1's fault

 

[RUFin]

If your slower on curves,but still close enough to overtake on straight,arent you the faster one owerall?

 

[Tarmac]

Guilty! I've had a bad habit of doing this (just add sphinx) running toward 130R on suzuka. Sometimes I get away with it but that's no excuse - if I've done this to you then I apologise, now I stay inside and take the corner slow and tight or stay behind car 2 in the hope that I'm in a position to challenge through Casio.

In my completely honest opinion, if you have the ability to pass and then get back on the racing line IN FRONT OF your opponent, then by all means do so. It is up to him to maintain a reasonable position behind you going into 130R.

What I have found is that staying inside on 130R will ultimately concede the position to the outermost driver (unless he completely chickens out).

Think of it like this. You set yourself up for the pass and carried more momentum (or just out horsepowered the other car) coming out of Spoon. That spot should be yours! 👍

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

In my completely honest opinion, if you have the ability to pass and then get back on the racing line IN FRONT OF your opponent, then by all means do so. It is up to him to maintain a reasonable position behind you going into 130R.

What I have found is that staying inside on 130R will ultimately concede the position to the outermost driver (unless he completely chickens out).

Think of it like this. You set yourself up for the pass and carried more momentum (or just out horsepowered the other car) coming out of Spoon. That spot should be yours! 👍

I agree up to a point but I've cut it way to close to the braking zone a few times. I've come to the conclusion that if I have to slam on the anchors as soon as I'm across then that doesn't give most people the chance to not hammer into the back of me, especially when you factor in different cars / different stopping distance, etc.

 

[Tarmac]

I've come to the conclusion that if I have to slam on the anchors as soon as I'm across then that doesn't give most people the chance to not hammer into the back of me, especially when you factor in different cars / different stopping distance, etc.

I couldn't agree with you more! If there is proper space to setup on your line, then by all means, but if the scenario plays out like you just mentioned, then yeah, better to be safe then sorry...

In that case, good ole Tarmac sits on the racing line BEHIND his opponent being Mr. Patient. All I know is going low in 130R, even when clean, just leaves your opponent flying up towards the chicane (and usually off into the distance), and you gasping to regain momentum!

 

[NapoleonMikey]

In my completely honest opinion, if you have the ability to pass and then get back on the racing line IN FRONT OF your opponent, then by all means do so. It is up to him to maintain a reasonable position behind you going into 130R.

What I have found is that staying inside on 130R will ultimately concede the position to the outermost driver (unless he completely chickens out).

Think of it like this. You set yourself up for the pass and carried more momentum (or just out horsepowered the other car) coming out of Spoon. That spot should be yours! 👍

agree and disagree. yea you should rejoin the race line but only if safe to do so. the opposing driver doesn't not need to slow down and give you space to break if you cut back into the racing line a second before the break zone. the odds are he wont be able to adjust in time anyways and the lead driver will lose his position because of accidental punting. you should only rejoin the race line if it is safe for you and the other driver if not you should set up for the corner being off the line. you have the better position so you are still entitled to protect your position.

 

[magburner]

Do all you can to avoid the guy, then if you hit, apologise. But don't feel pity for the guys who try and block you on straights when you are clearly travelling faster than they are - shove 'em to the side, and drive off smirking!

I know that last statement sounds a little flippant, but its getting to that point. I love racing at Daytona, but I hate the guys who constantly try to block you when your trying to draft past them. I used to try ad doge them, but at speeds close to 190mph, there is no room to manoeuvre. So now, I brace myself, and drive head-on into their tail. Its better that they go spinning off than me!

Online racing is a dog eat dog world, so I show respect until I'm disrespected, simple as that. 👍

 

[Ardius]

For the 130R, if I havent been able to get the speed to overtake the car in front by the halfway point of the Crossover, then I pull back and keep behind the other car, taking the inside line at 130R is deadly, mostly because you have to drop your speed horrendously just to avoid hitting anyone on the outside. So, keeping back and just following through that corner is always best.

As for the inside line on hairpins, usually its because of blindspots that accidents happen. If I see a faster car in my mirrors or someone who has been trying to overtake me for a while, Ill purposefully take the outside line and let them past, its better than having a collision or forcing the person behind to slam the brakes and get pissed off with you.
I will, however, always try for an inside line overtake on a hairpin, usually because at the Suzuka Hairpin, people are usually braking earlier than me and Im forced to take the inside just to avoid ramming them. I think thats my worst habit is taking advantage of tighter lines and ending up nudging people at times. Its not so bad against GTRP, GT5net, etc members because usually they expect my attack and make room or have blocked the line before Ive tried it (which is excellent, because then I can brake properly.....unlike idiots who try to block way too late).

My fave tactic against people who block constantly is too weave left to right and back again behind them, it either leads to them giving up blocking or losing stability and going off. Or, to pull a fake pass and then quickly switch sides, this is especially funny at Daytona because some people attempt to either block and you pass cleanly on the other side or they try and ram you and end up finding thin air and a nice trip to the concrete wall or the green grass.

 

[SavageEvil]

^^^I utilize that tactic as well when making a pass on guys who constantly try to block me, i don't mind blocking, but if im much faster than you, get out of my way. I haven't come across anyone from GTP yet, but i have seen some very good clean racers, but usually a lot of morons are around, those who attempt to impede my forward march.

 

[britbeef]

i vote for ramming!

 

[Ardius]

i vote for ramming!

 

[WayneGTC]

i vote for ramming!

👎

 

[BB-ANDY-]

i vote for ramming!

shame on you!