Ram's Car Competition Stage 1: Chevy Corvette Z06 vs. Ford Mustang 2005

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Chevy Corvette Z06 of Ford Mustang 2005

  • Ford Mustang 2005

    Votes: 9 18.4%
  • Chevy Corvette Z06

    Votes: 40 81.6%

  • Total voters
    49
  • Poll closed .
Vette.

I love it. The Z06 is a blast to drive. It was just one of those cars...you just had fun driving in GT4, or for me anyways.

I love the 'Stang, good fun, but I've taken a liking to the Vette so much I bought all 5 colors. Or is it 4? Either way, I've got one for any color mood I'm in.
 
Haven't had much seat time in either, so I'll go get me one of each and I'll be back to report on the outcome... :D
 
Hey!... I would!... but a Mustang over a Vette? Naahhh....
 
Mustang is Getting Whooped. It still has 2 more days to chatch up. Winner faces the winner of the last round: Skyline GT-R vs. Subaru Impreza 2000.
 
I'm a fan of the '05 Mustang, but against the Z06, thats an easy win for the Vette.

I've just taken a stock one around the Grand Valley on N2 tyres and its amazing, great car all round (see some of us in the UK do like American cars :) )

Regards

Scaff
 
OK, so after some comparitive testing I've reached a conlcusion.

I first drove the Mustang.

I liked the engine sound straight away, and found that it had reasonable acceleration. I jumped on the anchors into turn one, and found that I entered the corner far too slow. This was a combination of the cornering ability of the Muzzy, and the good brakes. After a long straight I was left feeling that it could do with another gear up top as five isn't really acceptable now days, but it's spread of ratios wasn't bad on the whole. With a decent lap time set, it was time to pit in and jump into the Corvette.

Once hard on the gas, it didn't sound nearly as good the 'stang. Infact, I found the engine note not very pleasant at all. On the brakes into turn one again, and we were'nt slowing nearly fast enough to make the apex, and my turn-in point went flashing by, while I still had the middle pedal pinned to the firewall. Wow, I thought. The brakes aren't as good, and this thing suffers from heaps of understeer. Nevermind, head back to the tarmac and carry on. Turn two, and I brake earlier this time. Hmmmm, understeering through the grass again. Things were not looking good for the Z06. A more conservative driving style was adopted, and then things began to flow. Several more 'offs' were had on the lap, but even with this, my first lap in the 'vette was considerably faster than my fastest lap in the Pony Car.

Interesting.

After some further analysing, it was apparent what the problem was. The 'vette was much faster in straight line than the Mustang. Much, much faster. The brakes don't seem as good in the 'vette, and this is compounded by the fact you reach the braking zone with many more kph showing on the dial. The 'vette needs to be braked a long way before the 'stang. The Corvette also suffers from a lot more understeer than the Mustang. Again, this is compounded by the fact that it has the ability to carry much more speed into the corner entry.

So, the Corvette is faster in a straight line, but the Mustang is better under brakes, and through the corners. The Mustang has much more mid-corner speed than the Corvette, but anything it manages to make on the 'vette is all lost on the straights. The Z06 simply drives off into the distance. The Mustang does claw some of the gap back in the turn, but it's not enough.

Even with a flawless lap in the Mustang, I wasn't able to come near the time of the Corvette, a lap which was full of faults and had plenty of room for improvement.

So, the Crovette is faster around a track, but which is the better car? Well, this is the questin which must be answered. In this instance I think the nod has to go to the General, and the Blue Oval is destined to finish in second. While I think the Mustang is a nicer, better car to drive, it will always be in the shadow of the Z06. The Z06 can go much faster than I drove it here, yet there wasn't a heap left in the Muzzy.

Lap time for lap time, the Corvette takes the win here. :)
 
So, a good test would be to boost the Mustangs hp to that of the 'Vette, or even better, match weight-to-hp (don't tell me you haven't noticed that the Power-to-Weight number is really Weight-to-Power...)

then run the 'ring.
 
My vote went to the Corvette. IMHO the only GOOD Ford is a.....let me think this through....wait one minute....Oh Yeah, I remember.....there isn't one!
 
TigJackson
My vote went to the Corvette. IMHO the only GOOD Ford is a.....let me think this through....wait one minute....Oh Yeah, I remember.....there isn't one!

We are sharing the same opinion dude :sly:

But I really like the FPV F6 Typhoon :) I bought it today and its a good car :)
 
doormeister
So, a good test would be to boost the Mustangs hp to that of the 'Vette, or even better, match weight-to-hp (don't tell me you haven't noticed that the Power-to-Weight number is really Weight-to-Power...)

then run the 'ring.
No.

Then it would be tuned car vs. stocker. That ain't right. We gotta compare oranges with oranges, and these are the cars that were chosen. It's not "a tuned Mustang '05 vs. stock Corvette Z06".
 
While a Mustang feels much more planted, I don't know how well this feeling will translate to an upgraded Mustang (the rumored 500hp Cobra) as high power usually leads to a different driving feel.

As you said, the Vette carries much more speed into the corners, exacerbating understeer and braking distances. I'd think, though, that the speed is actually creating the understeer and braking problems. A Mustang that feels nearly neutral and stiff at 300hp might be diving and understeering at 400hp, where that extra bit of speed unsettles to chassis just a bit more.

But fie on all the people who say Ford doesn't make good cars! They make.... erh... Mazdas!

Oh, and the Focus kicks ass, too.
 
Ram-Rod
Mabey i should save the Mustang some embarressment and quit voting and say VETTE WON.
Nah - I think for this poll, and your whole competition to have any cred, you gotta let it run the prescribed length. There might be people who are testing, and will post later, or know they have a couple of days before they have to vote.

Let it run. :)
 
I think it also may be wise to put 2 cars that are closer together in the head to head.

A suggesstion though.
 
It's not a fair thing when you think about it, the new Mustang is the new... how can I put it, entry level one in my own opinion. I've given it a bit of a drive, it's preaty nice around corners. But the Vette by all means is one of the faster 'normal' road cars out there, it can take on nearly anything excluding obvuious supercars and race cars on nearly every kind of track in GT excluding rally (maybe).

The mustang is a fair rounded car, can take corners in good stride and has a nice top end, the brakes work well, it's good. On one level, I only say it's entry level becuause it's not quite as powerfull as I would want it, then again it's a new model, and one should not go too overboard the first time anyway. Plus if PD gets it right, we'll get the new GT500 in GT5, which would obvioulsy turn the tables around quite a bit considering that has 450+bhp from a superhcarged V8 against the 2000 vette with 380bhp. Then again the new Z06 has 505bhp and I reckon will be very quick around any track.

I would rather picture the older Ford Mustang SVT Cobra R, least to IRL, I haven't driven it much in GT4 though, but in the late 2000's, early 2001, the old C5 Z06 and SVT Cobra R were comapired a lot at times (and then the superhcagred Cobra with a little more bhp, a lot heavier, but looking more subtle compaired to the Cobra R), I have yet to get used to the Cobra R though, so I can't really give much a coherient discussion far as GT4 is concerned.

Then again far as the Cobra R was concerned, one reviewer from Automobile felt even that was a miss-match against the Z06 Vette, mainly in part to it's weight, and also the fact it's based off the old fox chasis. The new Mustang however to my knowledge is on a newer chasis design, but given it's current power, it can't really be compaired to the more speicalized Z06.

Unlike a standard C5, this new one was based for one off the hardtop which was already the lighest and stiffest of the 3 which included the coupe and convertable. They managed to take out a bit more weight, have a more agressive suspension set, shorter gear ratios, and upped the power, intially around 380-385 to 405 for the final versions. The result was a car that although not having the highest top end, could be a track monster equal to any given Skyline GTR (although my perosnal favorites are the R32 and R34 2000 V-spec 2), Lan Evo, Impreza WRX Sti or as both US and the Japense have been trying to take on, the Europeans with cars such as the wonderufll BMW M3 (standard, CSL :D and GTR :D ...), Ferrari's such as the 360 (the new vette will prob be an aim for the 430... maybe...the F430 is awesome...), some given TVR's, Austin Martins (love the DBR 9), etc.

The current mustang, is a good all around sports car, but it's aim, least the standard version was not so high, perhaps up to the Nissan 350Z which isn't bad at all considering the 350 is a very good car as well, same for the RX-8 (and 7). The new GT500 though, I reckon it could (could) take on such high end models as the Lotus Exige, maybe the Ferraris, a given Skyline GTR, Lan evo, Impreza, Monaro/GTO, and the new C6 (Well it would prob slaughter the new C6 becuase of the bhp differnece alone, corners though, I'd have to honelsty see... I wish they sould sell the car in Britan so they could tear it up around their test track, in my opinion, I think it would be as quick around the track as the BMW M5 if not the new C6 Corvette or Lan evo FQ 320), but not this one in GT.

We could, could go with the option to tune the Mustang to be equal to the Z06's power, but as Ferrari chris put it, it would be a tuned car against a bone stock car.

Usually but really it can only be told by what specefic cars models are in mind, a tuner car usually tends to perform better than a bone stock car, but it all depends on the cars in question, for this case I might say if we have the power equal to the vette, it could turn things around, but then since we have smart people with cars, you don't just necessiarly upgrade only the power, you change everything else to make up with the BHP change, which would make things all the more differnet, but say we only upped the power, it could help, but then again maybe not, someone would have to try it.

It would be me (honelsty), but I can't becuase it's not going to be untill november (maybe) that I can get near a PS2 to do a proper test :(. Oh well, maybe someone else.

All in all though, it's not a fair thing to comapre them, a more proper comparrsion would be for example the NSX-R against the Z06, or the M3 CSL, a given GTR 34, an Evo 8, etc.

Anyway, that's my thoughts on it, if I'm off by anything... oh well I guess.

Till later.
 
Ford not having good cars?

tell that to my old '91 escort.

that 1.9l engine kicked ass. it only had 89 hp but it felt like you had 110.

and its torque rivals even today's civics (not the current SiR though).
 
89hp w/ your Taurus? Ford is also responsible for my 93' mustang LX w/ 95 hp/105 lb. torque. Handles great b/c its light but its lack of speed makes me hate it. Just for that my vote goes to the vette.
 
scubasteve
89hp w/ your Taurus? Ford is also responsible for my 93' mustang LX w/ 95 hp/105 lb. torque. Handles great b/c its light but its lack of speed makes me hate it. Just for that my vote goes to the vette.

i said ESCORT. where the heck did you dig out taurus???
 
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