Range Rover: Stop making its rear fly!

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So I got me a Range Rover and it was fun...until whenever I brake, its rear flies forward, lifting the rest of the SUV with it!

Differential doesn't work nor does adjusting weight ballast does anything either!

Any setting to make it stick to the road is greatly appreciated!
 
Jayson619
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So I got me a Range Rover and it was fun...until whenever I brake, its rear flies forward, lifting the rest of the SUV with it!

Differential doesn't work nor does adjusting weight ballast does anything either!

Any setting to make it stick to the road is greatly appreciated!
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What tyres are on it?
 
It's a car designed with great ground clearance, supple suspension. The dive is to be expected surely. You brake and all that mass piles forward just like all of the land rovers from defender to evoque??

Lower the car, put more braking to the rear and firm up the springs and dampers and it will move less fore/aft and laterally. But remember its a car that got a very high center of gravity for GT
 
Why we must adjust the settings for the cars? PD must do this for us. THX PD for the great Physiks in this Game.:crazy:
 
dj-smurph
Range rover + slick tyres = not how the designer intended the car to be driven
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Anyway, the game is the real driving simulator, it should be possible to use slick tires in any car without any problem ... exactly as in real life.
 
Yeah; lowering ride height, increase spring rates and all works. Tried using Racing Soft and the car brakes just fine. Its rear still flies up sometimes but it must be based on braking strength.
 
iamsupernasty
No....

If you put F1 racing slicks on an SUV in real life without drastically modifying the chassis, it would flip over.
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I look forward to the physics working that you did on that to come to that conclusion.

Haven't had issues with mine in the toca series although it has been known to lift a rear wheel under braking.
 
X30 Driv3r
Why we must adjust the settings for the cars? PD must do this for us. THX PD for the great Physiks in this Game.:crazy:
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It still makes me laugh when I see people who think every car should handle perfectly, and that when a Range Rover has sticky tires fitted to it and handles poorly, it's clearly the physics at fault :rolleyes:
 
iamsupernasty
No....

If you put F1 racing slicks on an SUV in real life without drastically modifying the chassis, it would flip over.
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No, you are totally wrong.
You need to drastically modify the SUV in order to make it flip over with F1 tires, a car without modifications would never do that.
 
MonSpaNur
No, you are totally wrong.
You need to drastically modify the SUV in order to make it flip over with F1 tires, a car without modifications would never do that.
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There is a reason that street tires for SUVs are built with a lower traction threshold than car tires. It's so that the tires will give up and slide before the SUV flips over. I've heard of gokarts flipping over just from sticky tires and you're not gonna find much of anything with a lower center of gravity than a kart. Putting equally sticky tires on an SUV and taking that car at full speed through a highway offramp, will put that vehicle on its roof.

If you don't agree, that's fine and we can agree to disagree. I would guesstimate though that you've never driven a truck in real life very aggressively though, because I've come close to putting a truck on its roof even without slick tires.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
I look forward to the physics working that you did on that to come to that conclusion.

Haven't had issues with mine in the toca series although it has been known to lift a rear wheel under braking.
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Are you suggesting I'm wrong simply because you haven't had any issues in TOCA?

I don't need to run a physics calculation when it's blatantly obvious that I'm right :)

Sorry for double post. On my phone.
 
iamsupernasty
Are you suggesting I'm wrong simply because you haven't had any issues in TOCA?

I don't need to run a physics calculation when it's blatantly obvious that I'm right :)

Sorry for double post. On my phone.
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You're not right though you're real life idea of a range rover flipping on f1 tyres is wrong unless you can prove it otherwise.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
You're not right though you're real life idea of a range rover flipping on f1 tyres is wrong unless you can prove it otherwise.
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You're not right though. Your real life idea of a Range Rover not flipping on F1 tires is wrong unless you can prove it otherwise.

See what I did there?

Nothing like bench racing :)
 
iamsupernasty
You're not right though. Your real life idea of a Range Rover not flipping on F1 tires is wrong unless you can prove it otherwise.

See what I did there?

Nothing like bench racing :)
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You made the claim it would flip so again down to you to prove it.

I'm sure you read the aup before signing up not to post false or misleading info.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
You made the claim it would flip so again down to you to prove it.

I'm sure you read the aup before signing up not to post false or misleading info.
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You made the claim it wouldn't flip, so again it's down to you to prove it.

I'm sure you read the aup before signing up that said not to post false or misleading info.

By the way, since you've brought up the aup, it also says you should be typing in proper English with correct grammer; for your benefit, I took the liberty of correcting your mistakes.
 
iamsupernasty
You made the claim it wouldn't flip, so again it's down to you to prove it.
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Because I and other members understand the general principles of physics.

You also claimed that it would flip so again the physics working for that please, don't forget to include the tyre temp, track temp, suspension geometry, track adhesion , tyre adhesion, weight distribution, braking force and air density in your working aswell.

Although I suspect you can work it out therefore why you are avoiding it.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
Because I and other members understand the general principles of physics.

You also claimed that it would flip so again the physics working for that please, don't forget to include the tyre temp, track temp, suspension geometry, track adhesion , tyre adhesion, weight distribution, braking force and air density in your working aswell.

Although I suspect you can work it out therefore why you are avoiding it.
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I made the comment because I understand the general principles of physics. High center of gravity + sticky tires + high G loads = flip.

Again, I don't need to be a physics major to understand how obvious that is. If you happen to have a mathematical rebuttal, I'm eager to hear it.

Until then, neither of us is going to convince the other that they are wrong, and neither of us can back up our claim with proof. Therefor your point is no more valid than mine, or vice versa. I simply have a different opinion that you based on my real life experiences. Perhaps we've had different real life experiences which are leading us to our different conclusions.
 
Jayson619
Yeah; lowering ride height, increase spring rates and all works. Tried using Racing Soft and the car brakes just fine. Its rear still flies up sometimes but it must be based on braking strength.
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Or it's a gravity issue like the bug with the Lancers. I mean come on, Range Rovers do not flip end over end in real life just because you slammed on the brakes and the tires had grip. Nonsense.
 
Range rovers do flip over in real life, Richard Branson flipped one over on a motorway. Even smaller cars can, the Mercedes A class as tested by car and driver did it on a simple slalom.

Not many range rovers venture on to a track. And tires/suspension can't stop inertia and momentum. Lots of highly engineered race cars roll over because of curbs.

CoG is accentuated in GT, but the general premise is what I'd expect personally.
 
Holdenhsvgtsr
You're not right though you're real life idea of a range rover flipping on f1 tyres is wrong unless you can prove it otherwise.
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I somehow doubt he has a Range Rover and F1 tyres that he is willing to sacrifice for this.:rolleyes:

Also, if you need proof that he doesn't have them, ask for his account records and receipts or something.
 
///M3
Range rovers do flip over in real life, Richard Branson flipped one over on a motorway. Even smaller cars can, the Mercedes A class as tested by car and driver did it on a simple slalom.

Not many range rovers venture on to a track. And tires/suspension can't stop inertia and momentum. Lots of highly engineered race cars roll over because of curbs.

CoG is accentuated in GT, but the general premise is what I'd expect personally.
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If I understand the OP, the car is flipping end over end under braking, as I said, nonsense. If it is flipping in corners then yes, that can and does happen.

You can drive or race anything on a track, inertia and momentum is controlled by the driver to avoid exceeding the limits.
 
Akmuq
I somehow doubt he has a Range Rover and F1 tyres that he is willing to sacrifice for this.:rolleyes:

Also, if you need proof that he doesn't have them, ask for his account records and receipts or something.
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I have both. The problem is I can't fit the F1 tires to my Range without cutting out the fenders and my wife doesn't like that idea :( She says it looks trashy...
 
JMR450
If I understand the OP, the car is flipping end over end under braking, as I said, nonsense. If it is flipping in corners then yes, that can and does happen.

You can drive or race anything on a track, inertia and momentum is controlled by the driver to avoid exceeding the limits.
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As I read it, the op was saying the car dives heavily. The picture shows a car rolling laterally and not end over end.

Irrespective, you cannot turn a range rover or any 4wd SUV in the game in to a bowler wildcat, pajero Dakar/rally car.

You could mimick the settings used on the pajero on to the rangie, but I don't think it would be enough to eradicate all of the characteristics that they (rangie) exhibit.
 
I can believe it would roll left or right, but to flip over it's front end I doubt would be possible in real life with a stock vehicle off a showroom floor. In GT5 the Schwimmwagen could be modified to do stoppies, but it couldn't do them without some suspension changes.
 
///M3
As I read it, the op was saying the car dives heavily. The picture shows a car rolling laterally and not end over end.

Irrespective, you cannot turn a range rover or any 4wd SUV in the game in to a bowler wildcat, pajero Dakar/rally car.

You could mimick the settings used on the pajero on to the rangie, but I don't think it would be enough to eradicate all of the characteristics that they (rangie) exhibit.
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Could be a little trail braking caused his roll over, as opposed to flipping end over end.
 
JMR450
Or it's a gravity issue like the bug with the Lancers. I mean come on, Range Rovers do not flip end over end in real life just because you slammed on the brakes and the tires had grip. Nonsense.
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I feel this explanation of the physics of a rollover[SUV] might aide in this discussion. http://mb-soft.com/public/rollover.html Now, if we're talking straight line braking, I could not find anything related to that in this article. I think if we're talking numbers, we would need to know the exact amount of grip provided by the racing hard tires/tyres to make an accurate assessment of this situation being described by the OP.
 

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