Rant: Muscle Car failings

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Hey all, I'm new to GT4 and I LOVE the game.... But I find it very dissapointing how the V8 Cars in the game sound and how the motors are modeled...

For example- The '69 Z28 doesn't sound or feel like a 302 powered car. With a full race motor and exhaust it redlines at 6500rpm and sounds somewhat like a Turbocharged Six banger... Come on PD, do some research here! That 302 should be turning 8000rpm at the red line in race tune. I've been to a Vintage Trans Am race at Pacific International Raceway and have heard those 5.0 Litre cars running at full power.

Case 2- '70 Chevelle SS454. Stock, It handles just like my REAL '66 Chevelle.Good job PD. Problem is, the motor once again sounds absolutely wimpy. Granted this is a Japanese game, but the least PD could have done is have watched and listened to tapes of what big-Inch V8's sound like.

Anyways... Probably not the most constructive thread but it's been bothering me.
 
Even though I haven't heard many V8 Muscle Cars that are in the game up close, I think they do seem to be off on sound. They sound so great on shows on TV but when I get into the game they just don't seem to be right. But the import and euro cars are probably the once that were worked on most and more on point.
 
Well, with my step dad being an american muscle car nut, and having gone to a few car shows myself I have to agree with what you say that they do indeed sound 100% wimpy and just nothing like the big powerhouses they should be.
 
Another thing I was thinking about applies to nearly every car in the game.

Shouldn't just about EVERY car have the ability to be Bored and Stroked? Especially the V8's as blocks that were originally under 5 Litres are now displacing as much as 7+ Litres. (Examples: Chevy 427 and 454 Small Blocks by World Products *new block, same physical size* and 327's and 347's based on the Ford 302 block, as well as Ford Windsor based 402's and 427's.)
 
If you go through all of the V8 powered production cars (example TVR Griffith 500, M-B SL 500, Lexus SC430 and 2003 Audi S4). Out of all these V8s the TVR was ironically the most pronouceable because of its Buick origins and that the car might recorded with the top down.
 
red70mach1
If you go through all of the V8 powered production cars (example TVR Griffith 500, M-B SL 500, Lexus SC430 and 2003 Audi S4). Out of all these V8s the TVR was ironically the most pronouceable because of its Buick origins and that the car might recorded with the top down.
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I'lll have to check out those TVR's, I recall that they use Rover V8's which are based on the Buick motor... Anyways... I only know what I've seen in the game and real life so I can't say much about the other V8's...
 
PD had the Camaro SS 396 in Japan for the testing of the cars on some track. Motor Trend had pictures of it in the magazine and on the website, and they went into great detail as to how PD takes pictures and records exhaust notes of every single car in the game...

After playing GT4, they dont come close. Not even remotely. Being around small block Chevys all my life, it sounds more like a BMW V8 with the bass turned up than a real small block... The Bizarre gang that puts together the PGR-series games does a much better job getting the sounds of the cars right, and hell, even Forza did a better job of the V8 sounds with most of the musclecars/ponycars in their game.
 
The only american v8 that sounds reasonably close, is the cobra at idle, but even then it should be way louder then it is. If a game can ever get a nice muscular V8 to sound right, i will pay whateevr they want for it, especially if they can get that nice lumpy cam idle right
 
One thing I have to applaud PD on is having such a multitude of Muscle Cars in the game, It's annoying that they didn't get them quite right but the game IS from a Japanese perspective and pretty much the only people who are really used to the sights and sounds of Overhead Valve V8 Sedans and Coupes are Americans and Austrailians.
 
kennythebomb
No offense, but I seriously have to question this.
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How??? I got these headphones with my bass AMP and they pwn, and they sound alot better then with 6.1 or 5.1 Dolby Digitol Suround Sound, or anything i have heard.
 
Yeah but not everyone really wants to race with a pair of headphones on eh? 'sides that's not the point, it's the fact they should sound right without headphones
 
There is a way to here the exhaust note as you tear away through the first few complex chicanes at the Nurburgring.

There is a short fall for this and it may lead a few to say "well that's no good" but it can be used when hitting the straight coming out of a bend and at portions where you feel safe to hear the sound of the exhaust.

In first person view, when you look behind, the sound of the car is now being percieved with the view behind.

It is automatic, you instantly hear the differance from the forward view to the rear view, that is where they have placed the sound of the exhaust....at the rear.

Sounds so good when you can negotiate Nurburgring while looking behind you and hear the growl as you tear of down a straight.
 
Thirdeye
Hey, you're in Grand Rapids too? What part?
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I live on the southeast side of the city with my Mom while attending school, about a block and a half away from the East Kentwood High School. I grew up in Forest Hills where my father lives, but thats a long story...
 
Fall_Ryan
Hey all, I'm new to GT4 and I LOVE the game.... But I find it very dissapointing how the V8 Cars in the game sound and how the motors are modeled...

For example- The '69 Z28 doesn't sound or feel like a 302 powered car. With a full race motor and exhaust it redlines at 6500rpm and sounds somewhat like a Turbocharged Six banger... Come on PD, do some research here! That 302 should be turning 8000rpm at the red line in race tune. I've been to a Vintage Trans Am race at Pacific International Raceway and have heard those 5.0 Litre cars running at full power.

Case 2- '70 Chevelle SS454. Stock, It handles just like my REAL '66 Chevelle.Good job PD. Problem is, the motor once again sounds absolutely wimpy. Granted this is a Japanese game, but the least PD could have done is have watched and listened to tapes of what big-Inch V8's sound like.

Anyways... Probably not the most constructive thread but it's been bothering me.
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your totally right!!

first of all, i have to say that am a V8 RUmble FAN!!:sly: WOOT

my parents own a Merc. Benz E55 AMG '01 and when i compare it with the Merc. Benz CLK 55 AMG '00 doesn't match at all.

especially the '03 E55 doesnt have any kind of V8 sound.....sounds more like a 4 cylinder diesel!!!:scared:


EDIT: at the beginnig of the game i bought so many muscle cars and i got dissapointed when i took them for a ride
 
Master_Yoda
How??? I got these headphones with my bass AMP and they pwn, and they sound alot better then with 6.1 or 5.1 Dolby Digitol Suround Sound, or anything i have heard.
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I'm sure your sound system is fine.

However as you are a younger kid who is totally into imports, I'm not sure you've grown up around American muscle. Have you stood next to, been inside, or driven one of those muscle cars as it revs up?

Almost everyone else here complains you don't get the feeling of the raw power from GT4's sounds of most of the V8s.

Maybe I'm mistaken - maybe you have heard the wondrous sounds of a V8 as it grunts and shakes the earth below it. But I wouldn't bet on it.
 
Being an Aussie, I also come from a land of big old heavily tuned V8s (many of them of US manufacture). The inclusion of muscle cars in GT4 (particularly the 60s and 70s ones!) was one of the big excitements of the game for me (other than the obvious all round improvements and the inclusion of the Nurburgring).

However,..... they just dont sound right as you say. The only pseudo-solution I've found is to 1- Make sure not to upgrade the exhaust as this just makes matters worse. and 2- Jack the leveling on my subwoofer way up. They still dont sound quite right, but if you have a subby, I suggest pumping the level compared to your other speakers! If you don't have one, then tweak your equaliser to give a higher ratio on the lower output frequencies. Ooooh, and wind hitting car effect is better if you do this too!

On a side note,..... I thought the GT-40 sounded quite nice..... but as you say.... still too whiney.


On another side note..... fave muscle cars

62 buick
69 'vette
MK3 Jensen interceptor

On yet another side note

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE SOME MORE OLD MUSCLE CARS IN GT5 AND SOME AUSSIE ONES TOO AND MAKE THEM SOUND MORE LIKE ANGRY LIONS AND LESS LIKE ANGRY HOUSECATS!!! (Just in case PD is listening) :dunce:
 

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