Rap aka R&B is crap. What do you tihink about it?Music 

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So, what do you think about it?

  • It is crap. I can't stand it.

    Votes: 54 52.9%

  • Wtf are you talking about. This kicks ass.

    Votes: 38 37.3%

  • Doesnt know/prefer not to give opinion.

    Votes: 10 9.8%
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Personally I can't stand that type of music. It is not even music, just chit-chat about the stupidest things ever with a single tone of music. The videos are even worse. Why the heck do they have to show a nice car in their crappy videos? It seems they will never make a video without including a Ferrari, Lamborgini, nor those expensive European cars. That just shows the level of materialism this kind of people have, and the big level of ignorance they own. Why cant they make at least a R&B video that includes some creativity. It is just the same crap. People with ugly clothes, a white shirt, baggy pants and a gold chain inside an expensive European car. Talk about contrast!
 
I'm with you 100%. Rapping is for the "musicians" who have no talent. Have you ever noticed that a rapper often never sings their own chorus? And I don't think I could find one song that doesn't have the F word ar least 5 times in it, and some mentioning of hookers..
 
What is called R&B today is sad. When I hear R&B I think Aretha Franklin, Steveie Wonder, etc. These labels are made up by record company executives to get R&B fans to buy into rap and hip-hop as if were remotely similar. It's a scam. I don't much like rap or hip-hop, but R&B informed trance-like "rock" is really good, like Portishead, Cibo Mato, maybe even Massive Attack.

It's so hard to label music. Ya just gotta hear it.
 
Yeah, I figured it out that it ruins the reputation of rock. Once you've listened to R&B, you get addicted to that music and resort to drugs, sex, violence, alcohol,etc.. The main reason why is because black people seductively convince white people to listen to their ridiculous crap. I really, and I mean REALLY, despise that.
 
I like rap.

Do you see me complaining about the types of music I do not like?

No.
 
I'm being seduced right now.

I used to hate rap with the white hot intensity of a thousand suns, but I'm actually finding some of it appealing. Such as Dr. Dre, Eminem and 50 cent.
I just find that it's another aspect of music that I can actually enjoy. I even put 2 12" subs in my car so that I (and everyone else within a mile of me. :lol: ) can enjoy it even more. I like so many different kinds of music I cant even list them. It makes for a more well rounded taste. I think it's a positve thing to like many differnt types of music.
The only thing I cant bear to listen to is Country and any music from the Middle East sung in Arabic. It drives me absolutely crazy. :banghead: My best friend is Egyptian and he listens to his music at work sometimes. At full volume of course. I've found my level of tollernace for this kind of music rather low.
 
The only rappers I think are good are Eminem and D12. All other rap just sucks in my opinion. As for R&b, Soul, etc - that is just plain ****.
 
Originally posted by Klonie Gun
Yeah, I figured it out that it ruins the reputation of rock. Once you've listened to R&B, you get addicted to that music and resort to drugs, sex, violence, alcohol,etc.. The main reason why is because black people seductively convince white people to listen to their ridiculous crap. I really, and I mean REALLY, despise that.
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Please tell me you're joking!

REAL R & B and rap have as much to do with each other as aspirin and toothpicks.
Yes Rap samples R & B, But there is a whole different vibe to something by Al Green, Marvin Gaye, or the Temptations, then of some thing by Eminem, NWA, or RUN-DMC.
And as a black man, trust me it's not you we want to seduce, but WOMEN of all races, c'mon over, be seduced! I have this friend Boombexus, he wants to meet you...:lol:
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There are great things in EVERY genre of music. If it didn't appeal to SOMEBODY, it never would have made it to Album form. I like my Blues, Rock (including Early Metal, Southern Fried, California, and Folk Rock), New Country (you can keep the "drinkin, dyin, and cryin songs, thank you). Jazz, and some of what the younger folks around here would consider "elevator music".:lol:
 
I think wasting any time or effort on categorizing music (and subsequently dismissing an entire genre) is silly. All music, regardless of style, should be taken one example at a time. If you listen to the radio enough you'll start dismissing all kinds of music. Why? Radio generally only plays bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. Listening to it for new music is like exploring your own back yard.

Originally posted by Klonie Gun
Yeah, I figured it out that it ruins the reputation of rock. Once you've listened to R&B, you get addicted to that music and resort to drugs, sex, violence, alcohol,etc.. The main reason why is because black people seductively convince white people to listen to their ridiculous crap. I really, and I mean REALLY, despise that.
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Nice to the Klan is working out for you, Klonie. 👎

In case you're wondering, rock and R&B share the same roots. Both come from blues and jazz. Listen to earlier rock 'n' roll sometime - notice that quite a few songs are blues shuffles played just a little faster? Exactly. That's rock 'n' roll. Rock is what happened when white people got a hold of it and claimed it as their own.
 
For me, i like some Rap/R&B songs. But i like songs from every category. It depends on the song.

But i like the old-style R&B better then the recent songs.
 
Originally posted by risingson77
I think wasting any time or effort on categorizing music (and subsequently dismissing an entire genre) is silly. All music, regardless of style, should be taken one example at a time. If you listen to the radio enough you'll start dismissing all kinds of music. Why? Radio generally only plays bottom-of-the-barrel stuff. Listening to it for new music is like exploring your own back yard.



Nice to the Klan is working out for you, Klonie. 👎

In case you're wondering, rock and R&B share the same roots. Both come from blues and jazz. Listen to earlier rock 'n' roll sometime - notice that quite a few songs are blues shuffles played just a little faster? Exactly. That's rock 'n' roll. Rock is what happened when white people got a hold of it and claimed it as their own.
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The same goes for you and besides, you think you're so smart, and you wanna be TOO cool to listen to that. I don't ****ing care about crap like what you mentioned.
 
Originally posted by Klonie Gun
The same goes for you and besides, you think you're so smart, and you wanna be TOO cool to listen to that. I don't ****ing care about crap like what you mentioned.
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Oh, and also, rock came WAY before R&B developed. You can't beat that, smartasses :irked:
 
Originally posted by Klonie Gun
Oh, and also, rock came WAY before R&B developed. You can't beat that, smartasses :irked:
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Hate to burst your bubble Klonie, All "popular" music is the offspring of the first American Musical artform. The Blues. Which was pioneered by a Black man by the name of W. C. Handy.

Rock, R & B, Rap, Jazz, Metal, Country, and Folk, all find their origins in the Blues.

Rock and R & B were bot "born" in the '40's and '50's
And as R & B is really just an off shoot of the Big Band music of the '20's and '30's, And Rock is just A faster version. You would have to say that technically R & B was probably first. If only by the amount of time it took someone to say "That I, IV, V progression would be smokin' if we sped it up a bit..."
If You're gonna "bust a cap" on popular music you really need to know what a "I, IV, V progression is".
Can any of my other musician friends help him out (the door).

Also, as your first post alludes to Rap and R & B being the "gateway" to drug use, indiscriminate sex, etc. I have to say you really don't read much do you?

Some of My favorite bands, such as Def Leppard, AC/DC, Aerosmith, and so on in that genre have had MANY heavily publicized problems with drugs and alcohol.
It's a "ROCK STAR" lifestyle problem. It's is not exclusive to Rap, or, R & B, or ANY other genre. It is a universal problem with taking a bunch of poor kids from the trailer park, and the ghetto, and nearly instantaneously giving them access to drugs, alcohol, and willing groupies in conjunction with instant fame and riches.
I'm out of virtual nickels, but someone needs to buy a clue.:banghead:
 
You're also 14-15 according to your profile, I'm nearly 40, and an EDUCATED musician and music afficianado. You basically let your fingers start typing before engaging the brain controlling them. Before you say something inflammatory, especially if that something has racial connotations, you need to be able to defend your position intelligently.
Never ever bring a "knife" to a "gunfight".
 
I'm not white, and I like Country. I don't even have a Stetson or boots.:(
Stereotyping by musical preference is like catorgorizing people by their shoe size. And nearly as intelligent...
 
I detest the current 'R & B' - I find it impossible to distinguish it from 'pop' - just manufactured rubbish. It's a real stain on the music industry that it lets this pap share a name with the great music that really was the forerunner to current popular music - heh, I just thought of the band 'Pop Will Eatself'....indeed, it probably will.

I don't mind rap when it has something to say - a lot of the rap you'll see on the cable music stations seems to be purely self-referential, with 'fill in the stereo-type' type lyrics - that I can't stand.
 
Originally posted by Gil
I'm not white, and I like Country. I don't even have a Stetson or boots.:(
Stereotyping by musical preference is like catorgorizing people by their shoe size. And nearly as intelligent...
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Bah. Everyone knows the Smallfeet are a lower class of people. ;)

What I find most interesting is that if go back far enough (turn of the last century, say) blues and country are practically the same thing. One man (or woman) talking about life.
 
Bah, i'm not a music expert.

Rap is good when they aren't talking about hoe's, *****es, watches, rings ,clothes, diamonds, gold, chrome, their bentlys and rollin on 20's.

Nelly is a good example of this, I mean who the hell cares that your stompin in your airforce ones.

The only 2 rap groups I can think of at the moment are Public enemy and Run-DMC. I bet there are more good rappers out there that I haven't heard of but I don't know. Maybe someone could suggest some?
 
Originally posted by MistaY
Rap is good when they aren't talking about hoe's, *****es, watches, rings ,clothes, diamonds, gold, chrome, their bentlys and rollin on 20's.
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Exactly, unfortunately it's very rare - or at least I think so - to find so I've just blocked out the whole genre. Don't worry, I'm not bashing it unless people who like it bash my stuff.
 
Rap/hip-hop:

I really liked listening to the stuff when I was in middle school; it was around 1985, and this is generally considered "old-school" rap. Sometime around 1992-93, I couldn't find anything in rap that was new or interesting anymore. Hardly a thing was going on in rap that hadn't been done before, I felt. And for the past ten years, I feel the same about rap, good then, largely crap now.

10-15 years ago, hip-hop came in a variety of flavors and styles, you had gangsta rap and party rap and lyrics that had meaning and even political overtones. You had breaks and samples, loops, it was very different stuff than what you hear now.

Now, it's very commercialized. The most popular stuff is the gangster variety, everyone's doing it, so it isn't creative or unique anymore. Who cares? It's all about mentioning clothing and cars and drugs and rims now. Rap was and underground medium, now it's pushing fake dreams and fantasies to kids. It's lost it's way, in my opinion. Most of what I hear now isn't poetic, it hardly rhymes, using the same words and curses over and over again doesn't do anything for me. There's no personal message, no feelings in it anymore. It's approaching shock value, that's all.

I still like my old stuff every so often: Run-DMC, Public Enemy, Eric B. & Rakim, Boogie Down Productions/KRS-ONE, EPMD, Pharcyde, A Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul and a few others. You could relax and enjoy that stuff, there's something unique about that to me; even if it isn't popular anymore. I always think of rap as something that either makes you feel good or makes you think; if it's an art form, it should uplift, not drag you down.

Maybe today's rap will be classics to some kids in the future, but I don't see much in it anymore.
 
I bet there are a few good rappers out there now. Although they are probably not so popular because of not mentioning all the afforementioned stuuf (yes stuuf).

Eminem mainly talks about his life and how ****ty it was, how he grew up, what it was like to be trailer park trash, sometimes even points out things that are stupidly wrong with the world and in some cases what not to do. Although I find his voice kind of annoying after i've heard it about 2000000000000000000000 million times.

Is it me or does everything that becomes mainstream now just becomes really ****ty?
 
Originally posted by MistaY
Is it me or does everything that becomes mainstream now just becomes really ****ty?
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Mainstream usually means its creativity and uniqueness gets sacrificed for mass appeal.

Generally, when rap and hip-hop went from the streets and urban areas to nationwide audiences, it didn't take well. But soon, some record execs began to think of ways to create a more homogenized rap that everyone could listen to and enjoy.

The same goes for any genre of music, 15 years ago, "alternative music" was something that you couldn't hear on corporate-owned radio stations. It was a mish-mash of electronic or unusual bands and other stuff that didn't fit any other category. Now, the term is rather useless. Now record labels specifically target audiences by calling their music "alternative", because it would give the listener the feeling of individuality for buying it.
 

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