Rather interesting glitch with PP.

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Hi guys.

So last night I was playing GT5, and doing the Seasonal Events. I came across the Lamborghini one and thought it would be a great time to use the Murcielago I bought earlier. It's the most expensive one, forgive me I can't remember the name lol.

Turns out with the weight reduction and tires package I installed, I was 5 points over the PP limit, of 600. Thinking of what to uninstall, I came across the power Limiter function in the settings menu.

Great! I thought, it would come in handy, so I took the power down to 99.1% and that did it. I was at 600 PP.

Completed a race, then went to do another. It then notifies me that I am over the PP limit. How is this possible, I ask. I look at my car and it's at 601 PP.

Okay, so I thought the power limiter may have reset. Not so.

Still at 99.1% with 601 PP. So I bring it down even more to 89.5%

Rinse, repeat like 5 times.

I'm now at 600 PP with my power at 97.1%. It keeps going up after each race. Is this a bug?
 
I don't have GT5, but I think the powers going up as the car is breaking in; therefor a higher PP.
 
Yes I found this happened in the expert seasonal on the fiat 500s.
Every time I finished in second I ended up dropping the Power limiter again to keep it legal.

Not an expert on the situation but I left it to the engine beginning to break in (was a brand new 500)
 
The car is getting more powerfull as the engine is getting "warm", the engine gains power during the first couple hundred miles (about 200), this is normal. Also in Real life
 
All new cars have a break in period where the car will continue to gain HP. Once you've driven 180-200 miles then your car will be at it's maximum power after a oil change.
 
Yep, the car gains power in the first 300 kilometers (or roughly 180 miles), give it an oilchange before driving it and one after about 200 km (or 120 miles) and after 300 kilometers it reaches its full potential.
Change the oil every 200 km and it'll maintain the full amount of horsepower until it reaches a certain amount of high mileage when the power drops and the car needs an engine rebuild.
So no glitch obviously, keep in mind (as I found out doing some tests) that breaking in the car when doing online races it takes much longer than 300 km somehow.
 
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Yep, the car gains power in the first 300 kilometers (or roughly 180 miles), give it an oilchange before driving it and one after about 200 km (or 120 miles) and after 300 kilometers it reaches its full potential.
Change the oil every 200 km and it'll maintain the full amount of horsepower until it reaches a certain amount of high mileage when the power drops and the car needs an engine rebuild.
So no glitch obviously, keep in mind (as I found out doing some tests) that breaking in the car when doing online races it takes much longer than 300 km somehow.
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That's because only Race (or only Free Run, can't remember >.<) miles count.
 
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That's because only Race (or only Free Run, can't remember >.<) miles count.
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That's rather obvious, free practice mileage doesn't get gathered, I was talking about the mileage done during races not having the same effect on the break in period as miles gathered offline.
It takes much longer than 300 kilometers (or 180 miles) to fully break in your car if you race it online during that period.
Try it for yourself if you don't believe me, online miles are 'shorter' than offline ones somehow regarding the effect they have on increasing engine power and probably wear too.
 
same if you do the endurance races, i used the 787b for the indy 500 and change the oil and the hp is at 83x something now and all i do is oil changes
 
It happens. Here is the deal. your car is new. There fore the engine is still breaking in and creating more horsepower even sometimes untnoticeable, therefore increasing your PP to over the limit by 1. Just keep lowering your power each time. When your finished reset the power limiter and you'll have more power that you started with.
 
This is because and has been this in ALL of them, When you buy a new car you actually run it in as such, you gain 35bhp lets say, then after 300 miles you start to loose power output so you change the oil makes it better... but you raged it for 300miles so you get a engine rebuild in GTAUTO. your back up again on output. so... another 100 miles or so you get even more power output. ive noticed this on every car and is more drastic on race engines and i think its a little simulation of engines over time. To see this just run the X2010 for a 100 miles and because its tuned to the teeth it has a short maximum power output of 1500bhp or so, and you could say a short engine life.
 
analog
That's rather obvious, free practice mileage doesn't get gathered, I was talking about the mileage done during races not having the same effect on the break in period as miles gathered offline.
It takes much longer than 300 kilometers (or 180 miles) to fully break in your car if you race it online during that period.
Try it for yourself if you don't believe me, online miles are 'shorter' than offline ones somehow regarding the effect they have on increasing engine power and probably wear too.
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I'm not sure I agree about online miles being "shorter" than offline miles or counting less towards break-in. I recently bought a new 2010 Camaro, did the oil change, RM'd it, then tuned it to the max. I then used my online lobby to run races to about 180 miles. Exited, went to GT Auto, did an oil change and had the max 704HP as the rest of my Camaros that I have broken in the same way.

Also, Tire Wear/Fuel Consumption has to be set to ON in the room for race miles to count against break-in.

Just a heads-up for anyone that did not know. 👍
 
GoSpeedRacer
I'm not sure I agree about online miles being "shorter" than offline miles or counting less towards break-in. I recently bought a new 2010 Camaro, did the oil change, RM'd it, then tuned it to the max. I then used my online lobby to run races to about 180 miles. Exited, went to GT Auto, did an oil change and had the max 704HP as the rest of my Camaros that I have broken in the same way.
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The question I have is whether all your other Camaros are also broken in online.
Maybe it's been solved by the latest patch but there were cars I owned whereby the ones I used online straight away produced (slightly) less horsepower after 180 miles than the ones broken in offline (all with the same regular oilchanges).
Eventually those cars also reached their full potential albeit taking a significant amount of extra miles to do so.
 
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The question I have is whether all your other Camaros are also broken in online.
Maybe it's been solved by the latest patch but there were cars I owned whereby the ones I used online straight away produced (slightly) less horsepower after 180 miles than the ones broken in offline (all with the same regular oilchanges).
Eventually those cars also reached their full potential albeit taking a significant amount of extra miles to do so.
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Yes, they were all broken in online. Currently, I own 2 RM 2010s, 1 Max Tuned 2010 SS, and 1 Max Tuned 2010 SS Edge Special and all 4 of them reached max power (704HP) at the 180-200 mile mark online.

They were all done after the latest patch though, so there may be something to that, but is it also possible that some of the online rooms that you raced in pre v1.10 did not have tire wear on, thus making it "seem" like it took longer, because those miles didn't count towards break-in?

Or did you actually see a higher mileage before full break-in as opposed to another car that was done offline? You said "a significant amount of extra miles", but you didn't write the actual numbers.

I'm not saying the above is the case, I'm just hypothesizing. :)
 
The real glitch is this -

Take a horsepower restricted race such as the online Subaru STi expert challenge race around Laguna Seca.
Enter the race with a zero mileage car and make sure the horsepower is at the limit.
Now run the race until you are about to complete it. Pause the game and then restart.
Keep doing that until you accumulate the maximum horsepower gain from a zero mileage car.
You can run the race above the horsepower restriction this way.

The restriction is checked upon starting the race, not restarting.
It's a lot of nonsense to go through just to have an advantage but I think it should be fixed.
 
GoSpeedRacer
Yes, they were all broken in online. Currently, I own 2 RM 2010s, 1 Max Tuned 2010 SS, and 1 Max Tuned 2010 SS Edge Special and all 4 of them reached max power (704HP) at the 180-200 mile mark online.

They were all done after the latest patch though, so there may be something to that, but is it also possible that some of the online rooms that you raced in pre v1.10 did not have tire wear on, thus making it "seem" like it took longer, because those miles didn't count towards break-in?

Or did you actually see a higher mileage before full break-in as opposed to another car that was done offline? You said "a significant amount of extra miles", but you didn't write the actual numbers.

I'm not saying the above is the case, I'm just hypothesizing. :)
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I don't remember the actual amount of extra miles needed to fully break those particular cars in, I'm thinking roughly and extra 50-60 miles.
But since you mention you broke all those cars in online you may have no comparison material, by which I mean if you break in another Camaro with exactly the same spec offline you may find it's got more horsepower than the ones you did online, if the mileage of those didn't exceed the 180 miles mark too much that is (otherwise they'll also be fully broken in).
Anyway, the difference is only a few extra horses but it's there.

Just to be clear what I meant I'll give an example of what happened, I got 2 completely similar cars, both having done roughly 190-200 miles, the one I used offline was, as expected fully broken in, the one I used online wasn't and took roughly another 50 miles to reach the same amount of horsepower.
This happened a few times with several types of cars which makes that I only use cars online now which already are broken in offline, mainly because I'm a bit anal about these things. ;)
 
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I don't remember the actual amount of extra miles needed to fully break those particular cars in, I'm thinking roughly and extra 50-60 miles.
But since you mention you broke all those cars in online you may have no comparison material, by which I mean if you break in another Camaro with exactly the same spec offline you may find it's got more horsepower than the ones you did online, if the mileage of those didn't exceed the 180 miles mark too much that is (otherwise they'll also be fully broken in).
Anyway, the difference is only a few extra horses but it's there.

Just to be clear what I meant I'll give an example of what happened, I got 2 completely similar cars, both having done roughly 190-200 miles, the one I used offline was, as expected fully broken in, the one I used online wasn't and took roughly another 50 miles to reach the same amount of horsepower.
This happened a few times with several types of cars which makes that I only use cars online now which already are broken in offline, mainly because I'm a bit anal about these things. ;)
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My Camaros have the exact same MAX HP as one's broken in offline, as I compared with other people last night. I'm not sure of the exact mileage either, but I'll have to break in one offline someday and see if there is any difference in the total miles needed to achieve max HP. I do know that all of mine were fully broken in by 180-200 miles online and that seems to be the consensus on what it takes to achieve full break-in with a new car.

Interesting results on your different cars. I would have thought that miles are miles, regardless of where they are driven. But, if you had to actually make the car's odometer go another 50-60 miles to get the same max horsepower, than it is what it is. :)
 
last night i tried to reduct power from my Speed 12, and it gained PP, so i added weight.. and it also gained PP, soo, As i added downforce, it lost PP -_- :ouch: :dunce:
 

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