Rattllin like yahtzee! (My engine...)

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What do you get when your engine makes a sound like a few dice being tumbled in a shaker like you're playing yahtzee?

Someone who is worried :nervous:

It does it when I first start the car, idle doesn't rattle, rattles when I put the gas down a little.

Sounds like it's coming from the lower bottom part of the engine (95 Ford Taurus)

Help :(
 
Check the oil level. Also look for loose belts, tensioners, or anything accesory that doesn't look quite right. There are about a million things that can make a rattling/knocking sound, including the exhaust.

It could be pinging, or it could be a rod knock, or it could be piston slap. Those are the worst case things, it is probably a loose heat sheild or something that does not matter.

If it is pinging, then switching to a higher octane gas will stop/reduce it.

If it is piston slap, then it would be louder when the engine is cold and/or under load.

If it is rod knock, then it would be louder when under load but not affected very much by how warm the engine is.

Rattles would very likely be related to rpm or road speed rather than load. Go for a nice long test drive with the windows down and see if you can isolate when it occurs a little more.
 
It mainly does it when I start my car, and when I proceed out of a stop light/sign. It doesn't make any sound like that when I'm cruising.

If you want my best guess, the engine has like 120000 miles on it...it could very well be that I'm using 87 octane, but I'm on a 3/4 tank so I won't really be able to do much til I get to a 1/4 or less of a tank when I will try premium.

Any other takers on the problem?
 
Check your oil. NOW.

Octane ping will only come into play under load, when accelerating, and truthfully it's almost a thing of the past with modern engine control systems. Nowadays, there's a knock sensor that detects preignition before you even hear it, and retards the timing until it goes away.

However, I would guess (barring anything actually loose) what you're hearing is one of two things:

1) Rod knock from lack of oil (though this would not tend to go away much as the engine warmed up). This is serious if the car has spun a bearing (not likely since the noise goes away) or is headed for that.

2) Valve clatter from partially-collapsed lifters, which is also caused by lack of oil or low oil pressure. This one is my guess and is not as bad as rod knock. Typically when a car is low on oil (or the oil is dirty and very overdue for a change), the oil pressure takes a little while to come up when the engine is started. This lets the cam followers / valve lifters collapse a little, making the valves clatter until the engine warms or the revs come up and oil pressure improves.

So check your oil and top it up if you're a quart low. And if it has been 5000 miles or more, change it and the filter.
 
Check the oil level.

Check your oil. NOW.

Good advice.

Also if you can check oil pressure, all through the engines working cycles (cold start up, warm, idle, high revs, load etc) and oil quality (should be ok if you service regularly)

Octane ping will only come into play under load, when accelerating, and truthfully it's almost a thing of the past with modern engine control systems. Nowadays, there's a knock sensor that detects preignition before you even hear it, and retards the timing until it goes away.

Well some pinging under initial load (ie low rev, high load taking off from the traffic lights) is still common even on modern engines that have smarter ECU's with knock sensors, especially on slightly older higher mileage vehicles, but those few pings are not much to worry about and it would have nothing to do with the start up rattle.


Rattling during start up is most usually caused by hydraulic lifters that have collapsed alittle until oil pressure (as Duke said).

Piston slap is another possible cause, but the slapping usually stops after the engine heats up and if it doesnt continues slapping all the time (but usually quieter), spun bearing can be another possible problem but really it would knock all the time and continue to get worse.

One other problem that can occur with some cars is timing chain rattle, usually mainly due to hydraulic timing chain tensioners that when the engine is cold and oil is thick causing them to be alittle loose, it also maybe alittle slack all the time causing some rattle when on load from the traffic lights. I don't know what timing system the Taurus engine has though.

Most engine knocks/rattles are the result of low oil/oil pressure so thats the best place to check first.

We are all really giving educated guesses here as we cant check it first hand, as skip said there are a million things that could be causing it.
 
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