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These are some poorly educated thoughts I had last week.

1. If you moved half of The Himalayas, Alps, Ghanges [ sp ] to the other side of the world, would that off center the gravitational center of the earth. Or you completely lop sided the earth without digging so deep hot melting magma would dribble everywhere.

With the gravitational center adjusted (Maybe) would this off center earths orbit around the sun?


2. If water turns to a gas at 100 degrees celcius, when water evaporates does it mean the puddle heats up to boiling point. - I don't really think so because what water puddle bubbles?
 
1. The Earth is spinning, so that wouldn't have any effect, really. For example, imagine a ball with a bump on the "east" or the "west" side of it (the north side being the top of the ball, and the south side being the bottom of the ball, where it touches a table). If you spin that ball fast enough, the bump will give the ball an appearnace of having a bump around the entire circumfrance (sp?) of the ball, thus balancing the sides out.

2. The individual water molecules are boiling, not the entire puddle as a whole. You must also consider the fact that water molecules can still break free of each other at a temperatore significantly less than 100 degrees C... 100 degress C is the temperature that all of the water starts turning into a gas.
 
1. The Earth is spinning, so that wouldn't have any effect, really. For example, imagine a ball with a bump on the "east" or the "west" side of it (the north side being the top of the ball, and the south side being the bottom of the ball, where it touches a table). If you spin that ball fast enough, the bump will give the ball an appearnace of having a bump around the entire circumfrance (sp?) of the ball, thus balancing the sides out.

eh?

2. The individual water molecules are boiling, not the entire puddle as a whole. You must also consider the fact that water molecules can still break free of each other at a temperatore significantly less than 100 degrees C... 100 degress C is the temperature that all of the water starts turning into a gas.

Indeed, I though basically the same thing just wanted to clear that up.
 
Originally posted by ALPHA
eh?
Okay, picture a football laying on its "side", and let's say that one of the pointy ends is cut off. If you spin that football really fast, the pointy end will take up the void space where the blunt end leaves space... if you spin it fast enough, it will look like a regular football with both ends. And, it'll still spin in one place... it won't "wander", because the center of gravity will still be in the "middle".
 
Here's a diagram... the balance promotes the center of gravity to be right in the middle of the brown circle.
 

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Sage, I think your theory is a little off... By saying that, you would have to say that it balances out by creating a disk-like object, not that it balances out by appearing to mirror itself. Because it's not like it magically gets from one direction to the opposite, but when you rotate it, it covers all 360º if you rotate it completely, so it would be a circular shape from the top point of view, but from the front/side it would be a UFO-type shape.....
 
I think what Sage is saying is that by the time that the weight has pulled down on one side, the ball has spun around and the pointy edge is counteracting that force..

:odd:

On the puddle: Water boils at 100°C, yes, it boils, boiling is pretty vicious, go boil some water now, it'll bubble. Steaming/evaporating is another thing, it occurs at a lower temperature before the water gets too boiling point.
 
Originally posted by rjensen11
Sage, I think your theory is a little off... By saying that, you would have to say that it balances out by creating a disk-like object, not that it balances out by appearing to mirror itself. Because it's not like it magically gets from one direction to the opposite, but when you rotate it, it covers all 360º if you rotate it completely, so it would be a circular shape from the top point of view, but from the front/side it would be a UFO-type shape.....
Well, as Cobraboy pointed out, I was trying to show that the pull would counteract itself, and thus the center of gravity would still be in the absolute center. The inside brown circle was just for reference-- You're correct in that a UFO-shape would be formed, but nonetheless, the center of gravity is still in the same spot.

Now, actually, come to think of it, if the protrusion is long enough, the center of gravity might move a fractional amount towards the protuding edge, but still, not much.

Anybody in Physics know?
 
But the earth doesn't spin that fast...

I think that if the eatch started out with mountains all on one area, then it would balance out, but if you took the current earth and move mountains to one spot, it would cause a change. It would be like an un-balanced hub cap. You've all seen that right? The hub cap moves up and down, but stays in the same direction. The earth would be unbalanced, but since it spins and it's not physically on a surface(if you took an unbalanced wheel and spun it fast(very fast, though other objects wouldn't need to spin fast at all, take a hula hoop. Bend it into an oval shape. Now roll it down the driveway, and let it go. Watch it bounce off of the driveway. If it was in mid air, or space, it would spin and not bounce because there's nothing to bounce off of)), it would spin "wobbly", but wouldn't leave it's orbit.
 
Well, I think water in a puddle doesn't bubble because it is such a small amount...
 
evaporation occurs when molecules near the surface attain enough enegergy to break their bonds which hold them as liquids and escape into the atmosphere as gas. they don't have to be near 100 degrees C to do this, as long as there is plenty of sunlight (or other heat) and a large surface area the molecules at the surface get enegry quickly and break free. evaporation occurs below 100 degrees (for water).
as for the earth...if you did that it would flatten out because it's spinning, it's gravitational center would change while it flattens out to reach a point of equilibirum again, during that process it might wander a bit but i don't think it would go off into space forever. but i don't know about that...i'm still doing 10th grade physics.
 
Ok enough with the water that was the minor one, I just need that to be cleared up.

If the earths path was slightly adjusted would it effect us climatically?
 
Well, it depends how much the planet moves away or closer to the sun. Now if the Earth really did go off orbit, the gravity of other planets would send the earth all over the place, and could result in drastic temperature changes, killing us and pretty much anything else on earth. Now if it stays in orbit but just wobbles...well if it wobbles equally towards and away from the sun, you'd get a slight, very slight, temperature change, probably around or below 10 degrees F.
 
Originally posted by MazKid
Well, it depends how much the planet moves away or closer to the sun. Now if the Earth really did go off orbit, the gravity of other planets would send the earth all over the place, and could result in drastic temperature changes, killing us and pretty much anything else on earth. Now if it stays in orbit but just wobbles...well if it wobbles equally towards and away from the sun, you'd get a slight, very slight, temperature change, probably around or below 10 degrees F.

The relative POSITION of the earth has little to do with its temp. as long as you don't move it millions of miles away from the sun(or closer for that matter). Take the Northern Hemisphere, for example. During the time that it's the furthest away from the sun, that is summertime, the warmest part of the year. During wintertime (for the northern hemisphere) it is closest to the sun. The major factor for the relative distance the Earth is from the sun(since it follows an ellpical, not circular orbit, and thus does not have a constant distance throughout the orbit) is the tilt of the earth. That also explains why Texas and Florida are much warmer than Minnesota normally is(but there are freak incidents where Minnesota is warmer, like during January when it's 80ºF...)
 
Originally posted by rjensen11
The relative POSITION of the earth has little to do with its temp. as long as you don't move it millions of miles away from the sun(or closer for that matter). Take the Northern Hemisphere, for example. During the time that it's the furthest away from the sun, that is summertime, the warmest part of the year. During wintertime (for the northern hemisphere) it is closest to the sun. The major factor for the relative distance the Earth is from the sun(since it follows an ellpical, not circular orbit, and thus does not have a constant distance throughout the orbit) is the tilt of the earth. That also explains why Texas and Florida are much warmer than Minnesota normally is(but there are freak incidents where Minnesota is warmer, like during January when it's 80ºF...)
Your physics is flawed, rjensen.

The Earth does have a slightly eliptical orbit, but it is among the most regular among the planets in the Solar system. Also, it is the tilt of the Earth's axis that moves the north and south hemispheres closer and farther to/from the sun, causing the seasons.

At, say "12 o'clock" in the Earth's orbit, the axis is tipped so the North Pole is pointed away from the sun. This does two things: moves the Northern Hemisphere farther away from the sun, and causes the sun's energy to stricke the atmosphere in the Northern hemisphere at a shallower angle. Both of these things contribute to an overall drop in temperatures, or winter, for the North at that point in the Earth's orbit. This also makes for the winter solstice or shortest day of the year.

6 months later, at the "6 o'clock" position, the opposite is true: the Northern Hemisphere is both closest to the sun, and is receiving the most direct sunlight, due the fact that the North Pole is now tipping towards the sun rather than away from it. That makes for summer, warmer temperatures, and the summer solstice, or longest day of the year, here in the Northern Hemisphere.

In between times, at 3 o'clock and 9 o'clock, the axis is neither pointed towards, nor away from the sun. Thus we get temperate and mild spring (and the vernal equinox, or equal day/night) at the 3 position and temperate autumn and the autumnal equinox at the 9 position.

Reverse all this for our friends Down Under.

Sage, your physics is also flawed. As the odd-shape football spins, the "center of gravity of the center of gravity" would stay in the same position. but the center of gravity itself would oscillate back and forth widely, with the center of that oscillation being located where the CG of the double-ended football had been. Nonetheless, the object would wobble heavily as it spins due to the shifting of the actual center of gravity. This is what causes car tires to need balancing to provide a smooth feel through the steering wheel in real life. A street car wheel/tire combination weighing 30 pounds will wobble noticeably if out of balance by as little as half an ounce.

Both those things being said, I'll add this little factoid:

If you enlarged a billiard ball to the same diameter as the Earth, it would be neither as truly round nor as smoothly surfaced as the Earth is currently. Pretty amazing.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Your physics is flawed, rjensen.

The Earth does have a slightly eliptical orbit, but it is among the most regular among the planets in the Solar system. Also, it is the tilt of the Earth's axis that moves the north and south hemispheres closer and farther to/from the sun, causing the seasons.


It's not because of being closer or farther. What rjensen11 is saying the that the angle of the sun's rays are what make seasons on Earth. Because Earth's axis remains the same through the entire orbital revolution, when Earth is farthest away from the sun it is summer in the northern hemisphere because it's tilted toward the sun; its rays are closest to a 90 degree angle and are more concentrated because of this. In the winter, when Earth is closest to the sun, the northern hemisphere is tilted away from the sun. The same amount of solar energy is distributed over a much larger area. So it gets cold. It's about distribution and concetration of the suns energy, not about its proximate intensity.
 
You mean, like this:
Originally posted by neon_duke
This does two things: moves the Northern Hemisphere farther away from the sun, and causes the sun's energy to strike the atmosphere in the Northern hemisphere at a shallower angle. Both of these things contribute to an overall drop in temperatures, or winter, for the North at that point in the Earth's orbit.

[snip]

6 months later, at the "6 o'clock" position, the opposite is true: the Northern Hemisphere is both closest to the sun, and is receiving the most direct sunlight.
;)
Either way, the Northern Hemisphere is not farther away from the sun during summer.
 
the earth is rotated by the core, it uses the magnetic-gravitational pull from the sun to maintain a steady orbit. 2. the water will not boil when it evaporates, the difference in temperature will not match the states of matter.
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
Sage, your physics is also flawed.
Eh, I figured at one point that I was talking my **s off, thus Anybody in Physics know? (or previously in Physics ;)). Thanks for clearing that up!

(Oh, and, I blame studying for the AP test for my lack of... pre-thinking. Heh.)
 

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