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Good news about the APX: It's modular (durr), so you just have to buy one gun which comes as a serialized chassis plus everything else to make it the full-sized service pistol. However, that means that we could see subcompact lowers, rails, barrels, and magazines in the future.

If I had a dime for every time a company talked about caliber and size modularity and then failed to deliver, I could afford a modular gun.
 
Man, I just got the shipping confirmation from Boyds for my gun stock, which I ordered three freaking weeks ago. WTF are they doing? Did they carve my stock with their dull pocket knives? Oh, no wait, they probably had to grow a tree first! :irked:
 
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@Michael88 - That is REALLY slow. I wonder why. Don't like international orders? Caught in winter storm?(have had some good ones in the U.S.) Glad to hear they at least shipped it though. I'm still waiting for my AR magazine backorder, and it's been over a month. Thanks, Botach. :(
 
Man, I just got the shipping confirmation from Boyds for my gun stock, which I ordered three freaking weeks ago. WTF are they doing? Did they carve my stock with their dull pocket knives? Oh, no wait, they probably had to grow a tree first! :irked:
If you would ever have to order from Palmetto State Armory, that's their normal processing time.
 
During routine check for .22LR, found these & bought them:



I wish I hadn't. After watching the vid & checking out the comments, they are pretty useless to me. I guess these are pretty gutless(not very lethal) & will not cycle in most semi-autos. One comment said that plastic/rubber cap thing will leave a gunk on the chamber or something like that, too.

I guess if you have serious pest control problems and live on a farm, or large property, it may be worth your while. I bought two for $5.99 each(20rds). I'm gonna sell one to one of the guys at work. :D
 
Those come in real handy if you have a snake problem. Other than that.....
Only snake I ever see around here are garden snakes..... and if I got my .22 out to kill it, I'll have a SWAT team on me in like two minutes. :D Yup, I'm gonna get rid of one. I'm gonna keep the other, maybe I'll shoot empty beer cans with them or something.
 
Dude be careful with shotshells out of a rifled barrel, the lead balls will get shredded through the rifling and cause a ton of nasty lead fouling. It would not be wise to shoot ten shotshells and then a standard 22lr through the barrel before cleaning it. As already mentioned 22lr shotshells make sense out of a smooth bore derringer for snakes at 2ft but nothing else.
 
Dude be careful with shotshells out of a rifled barrel, the lead balls will get shredded through the rifling and cause a ton of nasty lead fouling. It would not be wise to shoot ten shotshells and then a standard 22lr through the barrel before cleaning it. As already mentioned 22lr shotshells make sense out of a smooth bore derringer for snakes at 2ft but nothing else.
Ah, I missed that part. I will watch for that. Thanks! 👍
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You can probably ship them to whoever you want without FFL, take them with you on flights, etc., etc. :p
 
Snakes are better dealt with by use of garden shears or shovel.
 
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That's awesome. Are the miniatures firing full size ammo? Are they just loaded lightly?
 
I was under the impression that they were 50% of the original size. Full-auto was too much fun.
 
That action...

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Every time a feature was revealed in this video, I was SO thankful that I did not own this gun.

This gun being your sole firearm vs getting shot by it = Draw
 
But it never ceases to amaze me what people could already build more than one hundred years ago, an era without CNC machines computer assisted design programs and modern infrastructure. This always blows my mind when I'm shooting and handling guns that were built more than a century ago.

So, when the EMP strikes we may be in the stone age, mostly, but we will still be able to put each other in the ground with freshly manufactured complex high quality firearms. A soothing thought. :lol:
 
How do you shoot it without your wrist catching fire? :lol:
 
So I was in a discussion with an 'expert' (note, not an operator) and the topic of projectile flight time came up. He assured me with some confidence that the expected flight time of a .50 was around 1.5 secs at 1500 metres.

Does this seem right? Does anyone have a resource I can use?
 
1.5 seconds is way too fast, especially for the lowly ball projectile.

Here the data with a modern projectile:

50BMG - Velocity: 2750, Hornady A-MAx 661 grain

Range / Velocity /Time of flight/ Energy
100 2601.9 0.112 9934.7 0 0 0 0 0.1 0.1
200 2458.6 0.231 8870.6 -2.1 -1 0.2 0.1
300 2319.9 0.356 7897.8 -10 -3.2 0.5 0.2
400 2185.6 0.49 7009.7 -24.4 -5.8 0.9 0.2
500 2055.7 0.631 6201.3 -46 -8.8 1.5 0.3
600 1930.4 0.782 5468.7 -75.9 -12.1 2.2 0.4
700 1810.1 0.942 4808.3 -115.1 -15.7 3.1 0.4
800 1695.2 1.114 4217 -165 -19.7 4.2 0.5
900 1586.2 1.297 3692.1 -227 -24.1 5.5 0.6
1000 1483.8 1.492 3230.8 -302.8 -28.9 7.1 0.7
1100 1388.8 1.701 2830.4 -394.4 -34.2 8.8 0.8
1200 1302.2 1.925 2488.5 -504 -40.1 10.8 0.9
1300 1225 2.162 2202.1 -634.2 -46.6 13.1 1
1400 1158.2 2.415 1968.5 -787.6 -53.7 15.6 1.1
1500 1102.1 2.681 1782.4 -967 -61.6 18.4 1.2

So even with this modern projectile the time of flight is 2.68 seconds out to 1500. If you wanted it to go a full second faster you'd probably need a specialized .408 Chey Tac, it needs about 1.28 seconds to go out to 1000, not sure if it can make 500 more in less than half a second. Maybe with a 40'' barrel and a scary load. But the .50 cannot do that at all.
 
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The trick with the 375 and 408 is that they use special projectiles that do not start to loose accuracy during the transition from super- to subsonic (which results in shock waves), which totally wrecks accuracy for most projectiles. Except those that never break the sound barrier to begin with, they have been shooting and hitting targets with the .45-70's 140 years ago, with black powder loads out of single shot Sharps, at more than 2 kilometers. Very slow projectiles but also very predictable in drop and wind drift.
Of course the accuracy wasn't that good, but theoretically a 45-70 can be just as accurate as .408 Chey Tac if there is little wind. All you have to do is make good consistent rounds and compensate for the drop and at those ranges the spin of the earth. There is little more to it.

But one must keep in mind that such accuracy is not needed on the modern battlefield, shooting anything beyond 800yds is a trick shot in combat, even for the best snipers. If your calculations are off by the tiniest amount you're going to miss, and we're speaking about moisture, crosswinds, crosswind angles, temperature, altitude etc.
Its much wiser to get closer and be absolutely sure the first shot hits. Also positively identifying targets is absolutely impossible at those ranges, you'd need nothing less than a telescope.

Shooting super long range is fun and very impressive but not practical, when things get serious keep it as easy and safe as possible. Don't get carried away with long range accuracy.

Oh, and about the video, how in the nine hells can the shooter see and aim at a 36 inch wide plate at 3600yds with just a 25x magnification?
 
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