Real Guns

[Michael88]

Hard to believe that WD40 did so well, I used to use it on my rifles to protect them from rust and in about 5 days the thick WD40 layer just vanished. Completely. Bone. Dry.
Now I use engine oil (5W40 etc) and it stays on my guns MUCH longer.

It works great for cleaning barrels though.

But, it's not much of a lubricant but I think it's OK as one. Problem is, it has a toxic additive in it. So toxic, our government is thinking of banning it in all products. That's why a lot of people don't carry it anymore.

I think banning evil lead would be a bigger problem than banning toxic oils used to lubricate guns. In my country we're just one stop away from a lead ban.
Now what am I supposed to load in my muzzle loaders when lead is banned? Copper solids are super expensive, have lesser mass and only work in modern rifles.

 

[a6m5]

Lead ban.

Funnily enough, the guy who gave me the Militec uses WD40. I think he switched right around when he gave me one of the bottles, so I better email him the test results, along with another with similar result I found on net!

Also, I have read in the past that gun oil stuff is automotive stuff in repackaged bottle. They probably aren't as specialized as they advertise them.

Here's a corrosion test I found. The pics below show the samples after three weeks of outside exposure combined with a salt spry misting.

I'm not defending Militec, but does it affect the results if it wasn't applied to the metal correctly? Militec says to apply the stuff to the gun, then the heat(from firing) helps the metal absorb the stuff. I think the instruction says after the third cycle of this, it's complete? I lost mine, and I can't remember the details.

Excessive corrosion is eye-opening though. I've heard in the past that Rem Oil is similar to WD40(maybe in this thread). Anybody know? I find the Militec to be much smoother than Rem Oil, so after seeing the test result, I'm thinking about Militec on the friction part to keep it smooth, Rem Oil on everything else, especially exterior to protect the gun from the elements.

What do you guys think?

That report above sounds like crap. Maybe it's just my natural hatred for 99% of journalists.

Dude, I am right there with you. I'm sorry for choosing that particular video, it just happened to be the first one I clicked on, and it looked like it was making a point. I didn't think you guys would get caught up with the political part of it, and that was dumb of me to assume.

I'm kinda glad I did though, I learned something off of it.

I use Eezox. Coat it on, wait a hour or two, wipe off. Simple. No sand will get 'attracted' to it since it is completely dry.

But, it's not much of a lubricant but I think it's OK as one. Problem is, it has a toxic additive in it. So toxic, our government is thinking of banning it in all products. That's why a lot of people don't carry it anymore.

That's the part I was referring to about the Militec. I just don't get how that thing is dry, yet so smooth. I guess I'm just ignorant. I'm not understanding how that work.

 

[Zenith]

Dude, I am right there with you. I'm sorry for choosing that particular video, it just happened to be the first one I clicked on, and it looked like it was making a point. I didn't think you guys would get caught up with the political part of it, and that was dumb of me to assume.

I'm kinda glad I did though, I learned something off of it.

No way, man! Don't be sorry. It's always good to stretch the brain a bit.

I hereby open this thread to Questionable Gun Modifications:

 

[a6m5]

I hereby open this thread to Questionable Gun Modifications:

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NO PICTURES!

P.S. I emailed the pics Z-Man posted, plus this to the guy at work who gave me the bottle of Militec:

He didn't have much to say, but he gave me another free bottle, so I'm happy. I thought he had couple of these bottles obtained from his friend's estate, but I guess it was actually more like half a case. I'm so happy, but I'm 🤬'd I already ordered a mini-bottle on internet.

Also got my Kimber clips(lol) today:

Edit: Freaking bummer! I just started loading these babies up and guess what........ They are not the same mag my Kimber came with. Looks like mine was actually a 8 round clip, and one(or two) I bought was 7 round. 8 round clip has a design that I read somewhere that it feeds more reliably. I'll post a comparison pic later. And when I go shooting next, I guess I'll find out if I'm just worrying too much.

Here's the difference that was mentioned in something I read or saw before(better one on the right):

And as expected, the springs in the new clips are hard as hell! I better keep them loaded full for awhile.

 

[Zenith]

I wouldn't sweat the militec. These guns are meant be used a lot harder than you're ever going to be able to do.

Keeping a magazine loaded doesn't wear out the spring. It's the cycles of compression and extension that wear it out. You can leave a fully loaded magazine next to an unloaded magazine for 2 years and the springs will be equal to each other in strength.

Images should be fixed.

 

[a6m5]

I wouldn't sweat the militec. These guns are meant be used a lot harder than you're ever going to be able to do.

I applied the Militec on most of the gun, Rem Oil on the exterior. The slide feels great already(this was the second coat), and hopefully Rem Oil will block the sweat, rain, etc. from the rust!

Keeping a magazine loaded doesn't wear out the spring. It's the cycles of compression and extension that wear it out. You can leave a fully loaded magazine next to an unloaded magazine for 2 years and the springs will be equal to each other in strength.

So in theory, keeping the magazine loaded might not fix the high spring tension? It's got that crazy hard spring now when I load them up with the capacity 7 rounds. Should I just keep load/unloading the mags?

Images should be fixed.

That red dot's supposed to be the AR approach to scout rifles?

 

[Michael88]

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And as expected, the springs in the new clips are hard as hell! I better keep them loaded full for awhile.

That's not going to work, steel springs only get ''softer'' when you work them, letting them sit fully compressed doesn't soften them at all. 💡
So next time you're sitting on your couch watching stupefying TV shows get a magazine and load and unload it a few hundred times!

Oh, and heating the springs with a blowtorch would also work, but thats a bit extreme.

 

[Brett]

You could also do a whole lot of shooting to work those springs.

 

[a6m5]

So next time you're sitting on your couch watching stupefying TV shows get a magazine and load and unload it a few hundred times!

Few hundred times, got it!

You could also do a whole lot of shooting to work those springs.

Maybe I can get a part time job, so I can buy a few more .45 Megapacks & the trips to the range.

 

[Omnis]

What I find funny is that most of those lubricants were actually much worse compared to the control. So they're probably just lubricants, not rust protectors. You could wipe your gun down with vaseline and she won't rust but I'm not so sure how it'll perform.

That's what boeing's stuff is, anyway. High tech lube wax. Hence the complete lack of rust.

 

[disinfected]

In the process of trying to find a place that will sell me 400 rounds and a reasonably priced service belt today. Phase 4 armed security class starts tomorrow.

 

[a6m5]

You know where I recommend for ammo: Walmart.

At least for target practice, Megapacks are I think now $57-ish for 250 rounds. They don't have much hollow point though. Around here, good sale price for FMJ is $10 for box of 50.

As far as hollow point go, I got them at gun shows. Good selection and excellent prices at gun shows. It might be worth your while to search for local shows? Around here, there is one taking place somewhere all the time.

 

[a6m5]

I had rest of the week off, so somebody suggested I hit the range today. I did.

First of all, I've gotst a question: If you are shooting at the red dot, which way do you line up the target? In the past, I've been told A & C. I thought it was C. But today, while my 1911's adjustable sights dialed in, I had hard time lining it up to hit the bullseye, because when I did it my way("C"), most of the bullseye were covered up.

When I stopped by work on the way home, I ran into an gentleman who's an experienced shooter, and he said the way he did it was "B". I felt dumb that I didn't have it sighted in that way before, but that makes total sense to me.

Anyway, I felt like I was shooting half-blind, but I did get better results after learning to aim the way of "C":

First:

Second:

They are at about 25 yards, but I'm still sort of all over the place. I'm relieved that I was able to fine tune my pattern by the second target(just go along lol), but now I'm annoyed I have to adjust my sights again, and go by the way of "B".

P.S. While loading/unloading my new clips, I thought they were defective for sure. The seat(I think called 'follower'?) was sticking at times, and last bullet was impossible to take out. I took one to range, thinking I can return or exchange the unused one if it gave me trouble....... it performed perfect. I tested the new clip(7 round) versus the old(8 round), even with the new Winchester Hollow Point. They both performed perfectly all the way until the hollow point. With the old clip I trusted, it failed to feed the last bullet. New mag gave me zero trouble whatsoever.

I had the feeling it might have an issue with hollow points, but I didn't think it was going to be my trusty 8 round clip. Guess which one I'm gonna keep loaded for home defense.

P.P.S. My gun got really dirty again, this time with the Remington & Winchester, not the no-name brand + TulAmmo. I guess it must be either a .45 thing, or 1911 deal. My Glock G17 never got this messy!

 

[Zenith]

I found that the best way to train yourself to do consistent groups with a handgun is to start at the very shortest range.

Shoot there until you can get every round within a predetermined hoop Every. Single. Time. Shoot at that distance within that hoop until you're completely bored. Until it is a cakewalk. Then move up to the next biggest range and repeat.

This method will introduce and teach the importance of new techniques for accuracy as you progress. It also gets progressively more difficult.

At the start of each range day start on the previous distance. If I had just graduated from 15 yds into 25 yds, I would start each shooting day with a couple of sessions at the 15 before moving up.

 

[Whitlock9mm]

Always practice trigger control, if don't already go get some snap caps and practice getting down a consistent trigger pull. You should be able to pull the trigger and your front sight won't move.

I carry a M&P for SD, so I practice as much as I can.

Hope this helps!!

 

[Icarus25]

Sighting all depends on personal preference. Except for maybe an optic where you'll want the reticle/crosshair on whatever you're shooting. With adjustable sights you can set it up however you feel most comfortable. With a fixed-sight gun, you'll have to experiment to find out how it's set up. I don't remember how mine is set up (adjustable). I personally would lean more towards a 6 o'clock hold for closer distances.

 

[a6m5]

I found that the best way to train yourself to do consistent groups with a handgun is to start at the very shortest range.

Shoot there until you can get every round within a predetermined hoop Every. Single. Time. Shoot at that distance within that hoop until you're completely bored. Until it is a cakewalk. Then move up to the next biggest range and repeat.

This method will introduce and teach the importance of new techniques for accuracy as you progress. It also gets progressively more difficult.

At the start of each range day start on the previous distance. If I had just graduated from 15 yds into 25 yds, I would start each shooting day with a couple of sessions at the 15 before moving up.

I don't think I shoot enough to try that out. And I know it looks pretty scattered, but keep in mind, that circle is not even ten inches in diameter(just measured it ). Once I get the sights set up the way I need it, I think I'll be able to keep all of them within the circle.

If I take time to get a perfect grip, I'm certain I can be more accurate, but I'm trying to work on more practical, or defensive accuracy right now. If I had to shoot somebody in a hurry, I'm not going for the headshot. I'm going to try poppinig a couple in the guy's chest, in a hurry.

I think I'm pretty comfortable with the distance, but once I get the sights adjusted, we'll see. 👍

Always practice trigger control, if don't already go get some snap caps and practice getting down a consistent trigger pull. You should be able to pull the trigger and your front sight won't move.

I carry a M&P for SD, so I practice as much as I can.

Hope this helps!!

I was thinking about that at the range today. 👍

Sighting all depends on personal preference. Except for maybe an optic where you'll want the reticle/crosshair on whatever you're shooting. With adjustable sights you can set it up however you feel most comfortable. With a fixed-sight gun, you'll have to experiment to find out how it's set up. I don't remember how mine is set up (adjustable). I personally would lean more towards a 6 o'clock hold for closer distances.

That's what I heard today, too, comes down to preference. As I said, I like the "B", but I guess you like the "C"?

P.S. I'll try not to break into your house. You don't even remember how you had your sight set up. You might try to shoot me in the leg, and instead shoot me in the jimmi jammer.

 

[Vanlover]

.50 calibre sniper rifle.

That thing is amazinly powerful.

Ive fired a air rifle when i was little.

Hard to own guns in Australia.

legally its hard

 

[Icarus25]

Ha! No, I'd use A. I'm pretty sure I'm setup for A, but it could be some sort of hybrid A/B. Definitely not C. I think it's a bit silly to cover what you're trying to aim at.

 

[Zenith]

No, those are good groups, especially for the range. That's just a suggestion, it doesn't need to be a strict regimen.

Another good one that I wanted to share.

4 target by 3 target sheet of small circles. Looks like this...
O O O O
O O O O
O O O O

15 yards. Work from left to right, top to bottom. That is to say the top left corner circle is #1, bottom right is #12.

1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8
9 X X X

Do these in one standing. That means have all the magazines you need loaded. Sorry A6, looks like you need a couple more magazines

#1: 3 shots with maximum precision.
#2: 1 shot, reset down to ready. Breathe. 1 shot reset to ready. Breathe. 1 shot reset to ready.
#3: 3 shots in 6 seconds
#4: 3 shots in 6 seconds
#5: 3 shots, dominant hand only.
#6: 3 shots, reaction hand only.
#7-8: 4 shots: 7,8,7,8.
#9-10: 6 shots: 9,10,10,10,9,9.
#11: 3 shots in 6 seconds.
#12: 3 shots with maximum precision.

It's a fun one. Compare the groups when you're done and figure out what you're good at. This will hopefully improve your handgun skills and give you a fun challenge.

 

[a6m5]

No, those are good groups, especially for the range. That's just a suggestion, it doesn't need to be a strict regimen.

Another good one that I wanted to share.

4 target by 3 target sheet of small circles. Looks like this...
O O O O
O O O O
O O O O

15 yards. Work from left to right, top to bottom. That is to say the top left corner circle is #1, bottom right is #12.

1 2 3 4
5 6 7 8
9 X X X

Do these in one standing. That means have all the magazines you need loaded. Sorry A6, looks like you need a couple more magazines

#1: 3 shots with maximum precision.
#2: 1 shot, reset down to ready. Breathe. 1 shot reset to ready. Breathe. 1 shot reset to ready.
#3: 3 shots in 6 seconds
#4: 3 shots in 6 seconds
#5: 3 shots, dominant hand only.
#6: 3 shots, reaction hand only.
#7-8: 4 shots: 7,8,7,8.
#9-10: 6 shots: 9,10,10,10,9,9.
#11: 3 shots in 6 seconds.
#12: 3 shots with maximum precision.

It's a fun one. Compare the groups when you're done and figure out what you're good at. This will hopefully improve your handgun skills and give you a fun challenge.

What gives! Where do you get this stuff!?

 

[VspecZR1GT2RS89]

What gives! Where do you get this stuff!?

I'm was wondering myself.

But I don't care if it's from a "How To Shoot a Handgun" manual or from COD MW3, it can be helpful and a nice challenge to try out.

 

[a6m5]

Bah. I bet MW3 doesn't have recoil either. My ACR in MW2, M16 in CoD4, total laser rifle.

 

[Zenith]

What gives! Where do you get this stuff!?

Probably a few too many spent casings bouncing off my head. There's lots out there on internet forums if you're interested.

My friends and I shoot quite a lot. I've got a relative that's a cop so we can get a self-service range every once in while.

Just one more. This time with a friend for a bit of competition. This is one A6 can do.

One shooter, one handgun, two magazines, 10 rounds, one target.

Have a friend load each magazine to an unspecified number of rounds then put one of the magazines into the gun. Don't let him tell you how many rounds are in each magazine.

Starting at the low ready with the gun, your friend will give you the signal to start and will start a timer. The goal is to put 9/10 rounds quickly within a target zone of your choosing at short to medium range. Time is called when you eject the second magazine (dropping it to the ground is fine) and holster (if you have one).

The purpose is to test your shooting speed and ability to react to a surprise reload. Just as you get into the groove you'll notice that your slide is back. Guess what? That one was loaded with 3 rounds. Time to switch!

Compete for best times.

Other rules:
-Loser buys sandwiches or beer after shooting.
-Hitting 8/10 rounds adds time to your total, hitting 7/10 adds even more additional time, hitting 6/10 is a DQ. You can change these to make them fit.
-You can add a second target. Each person must split the rounds between each target. This gets quite interesting when you've put 3 into the first target and now have to reload, put two more rounds in, and then switch. The targets at different heights, distance, whatever.
-Works best for handguns, but semi-auto rifles and magazine fed bolt action rifles present fun challenges too.

I've had one case where the initial magazine was actually empty. It took me an extra second or two to figure out.

 

[a6m5]

Z-Man, that one is brilliant. Seriously. 👍 Even if you are not an cop, or soldier(or gang banger ) or anything, that would be an excellent exercise.

Now, there's an outside-the-box real world training!

P.S. First clip being empty, that one's equally as good.

 

[Brett]

That's what I heard today, too, comes down to preference. As I said, I like the "B", but I guess you like the "C"?

Whatever works best is what you should set your sights up for.

P.S. I'll try not to break into your house. You don't even remember how you had your sight set up. You might try to shoot me in the leg, and instead shoot me in the jimmi jammer.

Southpark Clip about the above

Bah. I bet MW3 doesn't have recoil either. My ACR in MW2, M16 in CoD4, total laser rifle.

I have played little MW3, but very little recoil.

 

[a6m5]

Whatever works best is what you should set your sights up for.

I wish I could do a poll on this. I should have started a new thread when I had the chance, like Time Attack suggested.

Which way do you prefer, Brett?

Edit: Whoa, lookie here....

Concealed Handgun Carry, Inc.

I still like "B" though.

Edit2: Another one

ATS.com

Edit3: They all say their way's the right way.

firearmstalk.com

Now I just don't know which way I want to go.

 

[Zenith]

I use the third one. There's less guestimation.

The AR is finally done and ready for some range time.

Shot at 2012-05-23

This gun is my "go-to" gun. Since the maximum distance of a range that I live even remotely near is 300 yards, I decided that a 16" rifle would be able to do everything from tin cans at 25yds to precision shooting at 300.

I wanted it to weigh less than 7.5lbs naked with a slight rear balance bias for unsupported shooting while standing. It needed to be suitable for a lefty who will fire it almost as often as I do.

Lower:
-Noveske Forged Lower - Simple and functional. The fitment between it and the upper is nice and tight

-Geissele SSA-E Two Stage Trigger - Can be thought of as half way between a combat two stage trigger and a precision two stage trigger.

-VLTOR A5 Receiver Extension/Buffer - More reliable, better recoil control, longer length of pull. What's not to like?

-VLTOR EMOD - Goes with the A5. I like my guns to be a bit rear-biased in balance. It also provides a nice cheekweld.

-ERGO Grip - Soft and I liked the subtle finger guides.

-CA Legal Bullet Button - Because CA has some of the most restrictive and most ineffective gun laws ever.

-Magpul Enhanced Aluminum Trigger Guard - Because I shoot with gloves often.


Upper:
-Noveske 16" Recon Stainless Steel Barrel - Insanely accurate barrel. Not too heavy either. The Midlength gas system should also make recoil smoother.

-VLTOR MUR-1S Upper Receiver - I didn't want the forward assist of the standard receiver or 1A model. I find it to be an outdated solution to a problem that never should have existed. The MUR is also an extremely well made receiver.

-Noveske NSR Rail - It's very light and very thin free float rail. I used it to try and balance out the slightly heavier Recon Barrel. Once some of the proprietary "KeyMod" accessories come out, I'll be all over the heat shield and polymer covers.

-Addax Phalanx Flash Suppressor - It's the bling on my rifle. I bought this instead of an A2 hider because it looks cool. Added flash suppression is an added bonus.

-LMT Bolt Carrier Group - Just a standard M16 BCG. Nice and functional

-Troy BUIS - Good sights.

Planned upgrades besides the aforementioned rail covers and heatshield.

-Rainier Ambidextrous Charging Handle - Will be released in mid June. For now I'm using a $15 standard aluminum. I seriously think I might break it.

-Optic - I'm yet to decide on the optic I want on this gun. I'm going to try the iron sights at 300yds and see how much I need magnification. My top choices are (in no particular order) Eotech XPS, Trijicon ACOG TA11 3.5X, or a variable zoom of some kind.

-Magazines - I'm going to permanently convert some Magpul PMAG 20rds into 10rd CA legal magazines. The aluminum ones rattle and are difficult to reload since I can't get a grip on them.

-DiamondBlack Ionbond Boron Carbide Coated Young Mfg National Match Bolt Carrier *whew* - I want to experiment with a coated BCG as well the National Match carrier. It seems to me that the Boron Carbide would be a good choice. At the very least it's some more shameless bling for the rifle. This is my last priority.

 

[Solid Lifters]

Nice. What parts did you use?

I'm interested in making one for myself. I want a .308 to match my bolt action.

 

[Zenith]

Edited!