Reasons GT5 was "pushed back" to 2010?

[Dravonic]

Yes, there is something more that needs to be said on this and this will be about the 3rd time I've posted on it.

The fact that GT5 was delayed is as plain as 1+1+2=4.

The only reason it was not officially announced is because the suits at Sony didn't have the guts, honesty, or leadership to declare their decision openly. Instead they chose to dump it on Kaz and let him deal with it. Wow talk about having to take one for the team.

E3, Kaz announces he will not answer any questions aout GT5. What ? ( this is one of, if not the most anticipated Sony titles to be expected to release after 4 years ??????) Thats 1.

Gt on PSP is announced to be released in October. Thats 2.
Study Kaz's presentation on this at E3.
It is the most forced, contorted, pressured demeaner I think I have ever seen. The man looked like someone was holding a gun to his head. He could barely force a weak smile and that was only at the end. Thats the other 1.

1+1+2=4 or in other words = delay of GT5.

Thats my take and I'm sticking to it.

Talking about facts and trying to back them up with assumptions, not hard proof, won't convince anyone. The fact is we don't know. That's the only fact here.

There are too many things that could have happened. Take this scenario: Sony could be pushing Kaz to release the game november/early december for the holidays season cash. Rumors start to surface, documents with a 2009 release date start to appear such as the one Jordan claimed to have access to. Kaz refuses for whatever reason, most likely because a 2009 release date is too early since they still have plenty of testing to do. Would you still say it has been delayed?

People start to come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories about this but we can't even know if it was delayed to begin with. You tell me that you think it has been delayed, ok, I disagree but fine. You tell me it's a fact? Nope, sorry.

 

[Sureboss]

Yes, there is something more that needs to be said on this and this will be about the 3rd time I've posted on it.

The fact that GT5 was delayed is as plain as 1+1+2=4.

No, that's an assumption on your behalf.

The only reason it was not officially announced is because the suits at Sony didn't have the guts, honesty, or leadership to declare their decision openly. Instead they chose to dump it on Kaz and let him deal with it. Wow talk about having to take one for the team.

Again, an assumption on your behalf.

E3, Kaz announces he will not answer any questions aout GT5. What ? ( this is one of, if not the most anticipated Sony titles to be expected to release after 4 years ??????) Thats 1.

Yeah, not really surprising. It really isn't that uncommon for devs to keep quiet before release. You never promise anything you can't keep, nor answer questions if you can't actually answer those questions. Gamers are fickle.

Gt on PSP is announced to be released in October. Thats 2.

How is that evidence for a GT5 delayed release?

Study Kaz's presentation on this at E3.
It is the most forced, contorted, pressured demeaner I think I have ever seen. The man looked like someone was holding a gun to his head. He could barely force a weak smile and that was only at the end. Thats the other 1.

How is that evidence for a GT5 delayed release?

Edit: One more thing about this that I believe proves this point.

GT on PSP commercials playing on NASCAR races. Those knuckleheads at Sony actually believe they are going to sell us this crap when it obviously caused the delay in GT5? I don't know of anything they could have done that would infuriate me any more.

PSP sales are higher than PS3 sales and I wouldn't be surprised if GTPSP sold more units than GT5 will. The portable console market is huge, just because the games aren't technically that brilliant, doesn't stop them from being big sellers.

People really shouldn't treat GTPSP as being some small time release that is a thorn in PD's side.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Talking about facts and trying to back them up with assumptions, not hard proof, won't convince anyone. The fact is we don't know. That's the only fact here.

As you say, we do not confirmingly know for absolute certainty what exactly took place regaurding the progress of GT5. We may never know.

My explanation is an interpretation of events as they unfolded and the only scenario to me that seems to fit and make sense.

There are too many things that could have happened. Take this scenario: Sony could be pushing Kaz to release the game november/early december for the holidays season cash. Rumors start to surface, documents with a 2009 release date start to appear such as the one Jordan claimed to have access to. Kaz refuses for whatever reason, most likely because a 2009 release date is too early since they still have plenty of testing to do. Would you still say it has been delayed?

Again anything could happen, but what is most likely? What fits the best?
The 2009 GT5 release rumors and sources you speak of indicate this was the original plan, although not finalized and officially announced.
Sometime before E3 the wiz kids at Sony decided, probably due to economic indicators they would be better off putting their 2009 eggs in the GTPSP basket. So much for the original plan. There was plenty of time for testing until this change. It wasn't about a month after E3, Kaz said the game was done. You can't test GT5 if your working on GTPSP.

People start to come up with all kinds of conspiracy theories about this but we can't even know if it was delayed to begin with. You tell me that you think it has been delayed, ok, I disagree but fine. You tell me it's a fact? Nope, sorry.

I'm telling you I think its a fact for all the foregoing reasons. And I think they are pretty substantiative.

No, that's an assumption on your behalf.

Its an assumption, based on on the "most likely" scenario.

Yeah, not really surprising. It really isn't that uncommon for devs to keep quiet before release. You never promise anything you can't keep, nor answer questions if you can't actually answer those questions. Gamers are fickle.

Concerning one of the best selling, most successful game titles in history, and after 4 yrs. of developement without hardly a word.
Come on man wake up and smell the coffee.
He couldn't talk about it, but there was a much bigger reason than that.

PSP sales are higher than PS3 sales and I wouldn't be surprised if GTPSP sold more units than GT5 will. The portable console market is huge, just because the games aren't technically that brilliant, doesn't stop them from being big sellers.

People really shouldn't treat GTPSP as being some small time release that is a thorn in PD's side.

Ahhh, here we have the root of all GT5 delay evil.
Obviously this same reasoning did not escape the wigs at Sony either.

 

[Sureboss]

I genuinely think you need to actually stop caring so much about a chuffing game, whether it was delayed or not.

He couldn't talk about it, but there was a much bigger reason than that.

Come on Mystic Meg, tell all! Don't hold back.

 

[Lucas]

Thats my take and I'm sticking to it.

Funny that you didn't mentioned a release date, otherwise, you would have been right. There are two scenarios, in my opinion:

1) The game was indeed delayed (there was a release date which was changed to the current one).
2) The game wasn't delayed.

Problem is, if there was a release date that wasn't accomplished, we didn't hear of it. And that's a fact on this forum. Delay is doing something later than was scheduled. When was GT5 scheduled to be released, if the release date we have got right now is the original one? We don't know. Thus, to us, the game was never delayed. Why people can't understand something as simple as that, goes beyond my knowledge.

 

[Dravonic]

As you say, we do not confirmingly know for absolute certainty what exactly took place regaurding the progress of GT5. We may never know.

My explanation is an interpretation of events as they unfolded and the only scenario to me that seems to fit and make sense.

Again anything could happen, but what is most likely? What fits the best?
The 2009 GT5 release rumors and sources you speak of indicate this was the original plan, although not finalized and officially announced.
Sometime before E3 the wiz kids at Sony decided, probably due to economic indicators they would be better off putting their 2009 eggs in the GTPSP basket. So much for the original plan. There was plenty of time for testing until this change. It wasn't about a month after E3, Kaz said the game was done. You can't test GT5 if your working on GTPSP.

I'm telling you I think its a fact for all the foregoing reasons. And I think they are pretty substantiative.

You don't think something is a fact. It either is or it's not. There's no room for doubt. If you 'think' it's not a fact, if you 'know' it's a fact.

The problem is that the most likely scenario is subjective. What you believe to be the 'most likely' others may not. For example: as you say, it could be planed for 2009. However, that means that the game would be ready in 2009. If it's ready, why wait? Why not release it in the holidays season and make even more cash? Maybe to add more features? Not possible. It takes too long to develop complicated features like dynamic weather. Thats why you hear Kaz saying the feature is done already. You don't hear he saying it's in because they are still testing it. That's what he means with "if it will enhance the experience", they need to know if it works the way it's supposed to. So no, it won't be because of new features or content. Those are planed beforehand. They are not included in the game all the sudden like most appear to believe.

My most likely scenarios are:

1-)Kaz misjudged how long it would take to develop the game. Happens all the time in the software development business. He thought it could be done in the end of 2009 but unfortunately they will need a few more months.
2-)Sony forced a 2009 release date that could not be achieved. PD had to 'delay' the game a few more months in order to finish it.

 

[happycorey]

There probably WAS a release date, chosen by Sony, just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean there was no official release date given.

 

[Lucas]

There probably WAS a release date, chosen by Sony, just because you didn't hear about it doesn't mean there was no official release date given.

You are saying it yourself: you don't know if there was a release date. And every member here, except those who know more than others, are in the same position as you are. Since we didn't hear of a release date before the one we are expecting GT5 to be released at, there is no proof that the game was delayed. And since there is no proof, there's no reason for this thread. Unless someone can provide me and the rest of the members saying that this thread is pointless proof that the game was actually delayed. Until then, forgive me if I (along with other members in this thread) if we remain unconvinced.

 

[happycorey]

I'm not right, nor are you in the right.

 

[Lucas]

Actually... I am right. This thread is pointless if the OP can't prove that GT5 was delayed. I'm not saying it wasn't delayed, I'm just merely remarking that, if it was delayed, we don't know, thus it is pointless.

 

[happycorey]

You're right in the sense you think the thread is pointless. Although it may be, you can't prove it wasn't delayed. So the thread is only pointless to those who believe it hasn't been delayed

 

[Devedander]

I think we'll just have to agree to differ on this too, I see that artlicle as Sonys long term plan to be one of the leaders in 3D entertainment, no other manufacturer can offer what Sony can and gaming is going to be a major part of that so including such a game as GT5 in that strategy would be a massive trump card against their rivals (who are only making TVs and possibly blu-ray players) and I don't see much benefit of a christmas tie in of Gt5+Ps3 slim other than very short term.

OK.

Talking about facts and trying to back them up with assumptions, not hard proof, won't convince anyone. The fact is we don't know. That's the only fact here.

I don't know that the light in my fridge turns off when I close the door, but every piece of evidence I examine that would contribute to it doing so says it does.

So even if Maytag doesn't officially announce the light turns off in my fridge, I feel pretty confident saying it does.


BTW I get the feeling "pushed back" was specifically chosen as the thread title becuase we all know an official announcement of delay was not made so it needs no arguing that it hasn't been officially delayed... but pushed back seems like an accurate description of what I think happened.

 

[Lucas]

You're right in the sense you think the thread is pointless.

Thank you.

Although it may be, you can't prove it wasn't delayed.

You are right. I'm not the one making threads based on an assumption, though. See the difference?

So the thread is only pointless to those who believe it hasn't been delayed

Correction: those who know that it hasn't been delayed, based on current information, or better said, lack of information, like a previous release date.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

Actually... I am right. This thread is pointless if the OP can't prove that GT5 was delayed. I'm not saying it wasn't delayed, I'm just merely remarking that, if it was delayed, we don't know, thus it is pointless.

I hate to be the one to tell you this, but it appears your in the wrong forum.

99% of everything in the GT5 forum is hearsay, speculation, rumor, innuendo, opinion, conjecture, and wild ass guess.

If your looking for points of relevance based on fact, you should check the GT1-4 forums.

BTW there is still no official release date for GT5 other than Japan. I guess for the rest of us that means it is impossible for it to be delayed.

 

[Dravonic]

I don't know that the light in my fridge turns off when I close the door, but every piece of evidence I examine that would contribute to it doing so says it does.

So even if Maytag doesn't officially announce the light turns off in my fridge, I feel pretty confident saying it does.

I don't think I need to explain this. Specially to you...

Yes, you don't need to see it with your own eyes to know it's true. You do however need hard, incontestable, facts that point to that conclusion. I don't think it's the case here, do you?

 

[Jay]

I would say (opinion) Sony had a few release windows over the years for GT5's release (but not firm dates) and it seems they still do, as we so far still haven't been given a release date in any region including Japan. We was however finally given something which was a official release window of March 2010 (March 31 was mentioned a couple times then removed) in Japan and sometime soon after elsewhere.

It is a little frustrating to no have a actual date yet in any region to put on our calanders, I do hope for a actual date by the years end.

 

[SuperCobraJet]

I would say (opinion) Sony had a few release windows over the years for GT5's release (but not firm dates) and it seems they still do, as we so far still haven't been given a release date in any region including Japan. We was however finally given something which was a official release window of March 2010 (March 31 was mentioned a couple times then removed) in Japan and sometime soon after elsewhere.

It is a little frustrating to no have a actual date yet in any region to put on our calanders, I do hope for a actual date by the years end.

After nearly 5 yrs, "a little frustrating" is putting it mildly. I think its absolutely freakin ridiculous.
But there isn't a thing I can do about it.

 

[Sureboss]

Not really that ridiculous, it's not like they've been fannying about doing nothing. Besides didn't GT4 take 4 years to make on a far inferior development platform?

All I know is that when I get my hands on GT5, I will probably have a little orgasm. It's going to be that good.

 

[mafia_boy]

All I know is that when I get my hands on GT5, I will probably have a little orgasm. It's going to be that good.

And this is what Sureboss will be doing playing GT5 in 5 months time.

But seriously, can we look at this more in a light-hearted manner?? All this argument about "GT was delayed/GT was not delayed"....blah blah blah blah blah, that's how I feel about it.

We all know that 90% of the GTPlanet forum will be bashing down EB Games on release day anyway so just chill and the time will pass. If you can't wait, do a Cartman and freeze yourselves....it will pass the time, honestly.

 

[Lucas]

99% of everything in the GT5 forum is hearsay, speculation, rumor, innuendo, opinion, conjecture, and wild ass guess.

I don't have a problem with people creating threads based on speculation. But the thread title clearly implies that GT5 was indeed delayed, and the thread's posts are based on that "fact". Since it's not a fact (as far as we know), the thread is pointless: not because it isn't a fact, but because "we" are posting based on something that it's not a fact and it is presented to us as such.

 

[Leadfoot53]

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=167050

I find it funny that even before they decided to implement damage, they were going to have the game pushed back to "late 2008". I think this would show that it would be "pushed back" to 2010... just logical...