Oh, if you keep pushing that no official timing body thing, you can’t count any times set outside of an official event such as... well what exactly? For Nurburgring there is no such thing. And the sport auto test can’t be trusted 100% so where do we stop with that?
Yes, you can't trust the independent testing body with its own consistent timing system and drivers... and journalists... to be unbiased, because it can't get close to the manufacturers' own timed laps with their own timing systems, non-standard factory options (tyres, roll cage, reduction in weight - often cited to equalise the difference from adding the roll cage), on closed testing sessions with no outside scrutiny or verification... and a PR department intended to promote the brand.
You are taking it bit too far, you make it sound like if I said “sport auto or whatever is full of ****” (don’t edit), I just said you can’t take it as if it was some sort of gospel.
I think they got 918’s time in the pocket, on the out lap
I'm a big fan of Porsche, but I'll criticise them when I think it's justified!
The Valkyrie will be fast, no doubt. But there's no way AM will be able to afford to develop it to the same extent Porsche have developed the 918... even if AM had the money, I don't see how they could replicate 4 seasons of hard racing, including multiple 24h races.
So even if it had similar stats to the 918 (weight/power/downforce), I still don't think it would beat the 918's time.
I'm a big fan of Porsche, but I'll criticise them when I think it's justified!
The Valkyrie will be fast, no doubt. But there's no way AM will be able to afford to develop it to the same extent Porsche have developed the 918... even if AM had the money, I don't see how they could replicate 4 seasons of hard racing, including multiple 24h races.
So even if it had similar stats to the 918 (weight/power/downforce), I still don't think it would beat the 918's time.
No, I'm making it sound like you said journalists using consistent, independent timing and factory standard, road-registered cars free from manufacturer influence are not to be trusted as unbiased, because their times are slower than manufacturers' own times on closed test days with non-standard cars and a product to promote.
No, I mentioned their times being slower, because it means they’re not exactly at the limit. It means the times between cars could be closer/further apart depending on how well they suited driver’s style.
I only mentioned it, when somebody said they will slap on slicks on street Valkyrie.
It could mean that.
And it's still not relevant. The NIO EP9 had slicks on. Nobody cares, because there's no official record, because there's no official timing. The only place non-standard tyres are relevant is the sport auto test, and that's only for German-registered, German-road legal cars.
That'd be because they do. They actually do. They all do it, and the press releases all tell you that they've done it. They're pretty open about it.
That'd be because that's the job of a motoring journalist. We have to be, or we're not motoring journalists. When we're no unbiased and far, you get sites like Electrek.
Ok, and how does it affect the car which currently holds the production car "record"? The car that you can order with infotainment delete, A/C delete, and... wait for it... sticky Michelin Pilot Sport Cup 2 tyres? It even had stock roll "cage" ( more of a rollbar) during its attempt. It only had seat changed.
Yeah nobody cares, because it's a non regular production car (16 or 17ish being made) and nobody takes them seriously, but to say it's not relevant? If Porsche slapped slicks on the GT2 RS and did a 6:30 and claimed they're fastest now, do you still think nobody would care?
It's cute that you're unbiased and you assume your journalist buddies are the same, I appreciate it.
No car holds that record, because there isn't one.
Ah, the 911 GT2, which is unofficially slower than the Radical SR8, NIO EP9 and McLaren P1 LM. Still, it sounds like a completely stock, unmodified car with factory optio...
... ah, there it is.
Who cares if it's a one-off or they made 30 million of them?
Yep. I mean the internet would argue itself into a foamy puddle about it, but it doesn't matter. There are no 'Ring lap records for anyone to go out and beat, because there's no official timing and no official records... and no rules. It doesn't matter if it's a time attack car based on an LMP1 at great expense, or the next hot hatch, and it doesn't matter if they use remoulds from the local tyre shop or million-pound slicks developed specifically for the car to do track days.
Not really. It's the job. I don't know any of the guys at sport auto to be buddies with them, but if they're motoring journalists (and they are) they need to be objective about the cars they test. They do go to a lot of trouble to standardise their particular tests and have a robust rule set to it. Including the road-legal, road-registered rule.
There isn't a record for production cars. The only thing close to it is the sport auto test, that uses tyres actually on the road-legal, road-registered car. Nobody's time counts for any record, regardless of whether they have slick tyres or not, because there isn't a record for it to count to. That includes the 919 - as we covered in our article on the 919 going faster than the lap record, but not setting a new one.
So cutting to the chase, there are no records, great.
I realise that, it's still just fun to speculate at this point.
If you need 100% information before making any comments about anything, then 90% of the whole GT Sport forum will cease to exist
Which is said to have made almost no difference.
I suppose I don't have any reason to doubt that, but even almost no difference can be seconds around a track as long as the Nordschleife. Truth is we don't really know, the car couldn't have run without the ride height being lifted.
This is also true, but at least the AMR Pro has the advantge of being based on a car built for the road in the first place. As close to a race car as the Valkyrie is, it's still likely to be more comfortable being driven hard on a bumpy road than a Le Mans Prototype. If the Valkyrie wasn't as insane as it is then I don't think it would have even a remote possability of besting the 919 Evo.
