Religion rant/question

[milefile]

Explanation? - $$$ and power.

 

[rjensen11]

Originally posted by milefile
You're right. It was changed at the Second Vatican Council. They changed a lot of stuff. They used to say mass with the priest's back to the congregation and all in Latin, too. I have a ninety something year old great uncle who converted to Greek Orthodoxy after that. He just couldn't accept the change.

My mom's only around 47, and she remembers Latin masses, a little. There are still some churches that give Mass in latin, it's just not required to be in Latin any more.

Oh, and Askia, you do realize that just about everything is corrupt at some level, right?

 

[askia47]

Originally posted by milefile
Is this supposed to surprise us? Of course you're talkng about the Catholic church.

i said that as many think Christianity is a perfect religion free of problems, and think that its the only religion thats true as Jesus was real (or so history records tell us)

 

[askia47]

Originally posted by rjensen11
My mom's only around 47, and she remembers Latin masses, a little. There are still some churches that give Mass in latin, it's just not required to be in Latin any more.

Oh, and Askia, you do realize that just about everything is corrupt at some level, right?

read above in my other post

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by askia47
i said that as many think Christianity is a perfect religion free of problems, and think that its the only religion thats true as Jesus was real (or so history records tell us)

Well what's the point of having a religion if you're not convinced it's the one true religion?

 

[askia47]

I know but some times the catholic Religion or probably just my teacher thinks that other religions are stupid and should become obsolete. That’s what my teacher said. He also said we should convert all Muslims to catholic because they are unruly and barbaric.

 

[ledhed]

Anmytime humans are involved there's bound to be some form of corruption.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by askia47
I know but some times the catholic Religion or probably just my teacher thinks that other religions are stupid and should become obsolete. That’s what my teacher said. He also said we should convert all Muslims to catholic because they are unruly and barbaric.

Sounds about right. When I was in Catholic high school the anti-semitic undertones were prevalent. I didn't realize it so much at the time, but when I look back I see it.

Catholicism is old school religion... the Christian equivalent of Islam, Arab style. It was the first Christianity and every other Christian group has splintered off of it, or splintered off of a splinter. It is Western civilization's heritage (along with protestantism). And the differences between the two are not as great as they would have you believe. Catholicism was the Holy Roman Empire, which was also known as Chrisendom, which is now Europe. And America was settled by Europeans. It is everywhere, even when it's called something else.

What this has to do with Christ is debatable, however.

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by ledhed
Anmytime humans are involved there's bound to be some form of corruption.

This is not directed at you, but rather just your statement sparked some additional thoughts....

This is true to some extent, I feel that there's more of "chance" that corruption can occur when humans are involved. This is something that is unescapable. In talking with people and reading threads and articles, passages in books, and watching the media....as a society, we have lost a lot of faith in our own race. When did this happen? When was our trust challenged and broken?

I would challange that there is a genuine and trusting side to the human race that has been forgotten. I know people on a personal level that I have full confidence and trust in their motivations. There are more people that I trust then people that I don't, so why is there this generalization that the human factor means greed, broken trust, jelousy, lies, and other acts agianst humanity?

I think that before a generalized opinion can be formed, we need to investigate and educate ourselves about a particular church or organization.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Pako
....as a society, we have lost a lot of faith in our own race. When did this happen? When was our trust challenged and broken?

When FOX started airing it's own "reality" programming.

 

[Pako]

I should have figured!

 

[Pupik]

Originally posted by milefile
When FOX started airing it's own "reality" programming.

Blah. Before that...

I think human trust comes from the first lie we're told, the first belief broken and shattered. It doesn't come from any era or age; it's part of getting another step oput of that womb that told us all was truth and beauty.

But we were sadly sleeping a good bit of that time.

 

[ledhed]

Basically you learn by living that all people are not trustworthy only some of them. its just part of growing up and older. Why should you expect someone who is a religouse leader to be uncoruptable ? He's a human being not God . All people may be inherantly good but they may for many reasons still be corrupted . I guess thats were rationalizing comes in. In everyone you will find both good and bad its up to each individual to determine what he's going to use and why. You might say God just gave us all the raw material and its up to us what we build with it.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by youth_cycler
I'll have to give it more thought, but I've never understood it either myself (notice how atheism rarely has anyting in the way of "advertising"?). My personal opinion is that they're a bit insecure about it all, and so need such ways to get people to join and think that it's the "only way".

However, one could also argue that they're sincerely trying to help people by converting them. (I won't be the one to argue that though )

Sorry I'm 3 pages late, looks like I missed a good one yesterday

#1) Once every person on this planet (excluding ignorent children) knows that Jesus is his/her lord and savor, he will retun and talk all of the believers to heaven, leavingn the rest to suffer satans rath.

#2) They need to reruit just like any other business. They need money. The bible declares that you MUST give 10% of your annual earnings to the church.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Also,.... for you guy's who dont know the difference:

Athiest = One who DENIES any existance of ANY GOD.



Agnostic = One who accepts only things that are scientifically proven, but holds an open mind. (in a nutshell)

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by rjensen11

The whole thing about gift-giving for Christmas is a relatively new thing, started in the late 1800's. It began because fathers all bought these books about Christmas, and gave them as gifts to their children in either the late 1800's or the early 1900's, but I'm leaning toward the first.

No, no, no, no, no, ,no NO.


You wanna know what REALLY happened?-

Ever sonce the middle ages, Christmas HAS been a day of giving. Know what happened? Kings and Queens would give gifts too their poorest subjests, masters would trade places with their slaves, ect, ect....

The whole idea about everyone getting and giving gifts was an american antrepenurial (sp?) scheme,...(yes, late 1800's/Santa) wich was the biggest, single, most profitable idea ever. Did you know that retail sales do as much business in the month of December as they do in the entire year?

 

[DGB454]

Originally posted by askia47
I know but some times the catholic Religion or probably just my teacher thinks that other religions are stupid and should become obsolete. That’s what my teacher said. He also said we should convert all Muslims to catholic because they are unruly and barbaric.

I think your teacher is way off by even making that statement to begin with. He is basically saying I am a bigot and am proud of it.
I don't think that's appropriate in a classroom.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Originally posted by DGB454
I think your teacher is way off by even making that statement to begin with. He is basically saying I am a bigot and am proud of it.
I don't think that's appropriate in a classroom.

Now that all depends on if he pays for private or public education.

 

[Duke]

Originally posted by Pako
In talking with people and reading threads and articles, passages in books, and watching the media....as a society, we have lost a lot of faith in our own race. When did this happen? When was our trust challenged and broken?

Well, I would argue that this occurred when religious mystics began telling us that humans are sinners by nature, that we are flawed and can never truly rise above those flaws, that we can only beg forgiveness from an almighty god or gods whom we cannot comprehend. This was done in an effort to destroy man's self esteem so that he could be controlled.

It's proven to be a pretty successful tactic on their part. More the fool mankind.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by ledhed
You might say God just gave us all the raw material and its up to us what we build with it.

Christians like to call that free will.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by DGB454
I think your teacher is way off by even making that statement to begin with. He is basically saying I am a bigot and am proud of it.
I don't think that's appropriate in a classroom.

Religion is inappropriate in a class room. What else is his teacher supposed to say?

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Now that all depends on if he pays for private or public education.

And this, too.

 

[miata13B]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Now that all depends on if he pays for private or public education.

Well I went to a christian private school for the last two years of high school and I'm jewish. I think even if it is private, and they don't discriminate against your religion, aka letting a jew into a christian school, they should not put a big deal about religon into the education. But if they only let christians into a christian school, more power to them to do what they want to do.

 

[milefile]

Originally posted by miata13B
Well I went to a christian private school for the last two years of high school and I'm jewish. I think even if it is private, and they don't discriminate against your religion, aka letting a jew into a christian school, they should not put a big deal about religon into the education. But if they only let christians into a christian school, more power to them to do what they want to do.

Why? They can do whatever they want. That's what you're (your parents) are paying for.

 

[miata13B]

Originally posted by milefile
Why? They can do whatever they want. That's what you're (your parents) are paying for.

Were about 6 years ago. Still, if you are going to let someone from a different religon into an all christian school, isn't that hypocritical? Yeah, they are getting paid privately and that is their business. . . They still need to make sure everyone is happy. It was not like I had a choice to say public or private. I don't know where you live, but the education in Florida is pretty horrible compared to toher schools I went to in other states. I went through most schooling in Connecticut and I was doing things in Freshman year that Seniors in Florida at private schools only dream about. But, this private school was the best near my home and I really had no other alternative to go somewhere else.


ps, I am just stating this for arguement sakes, I just feel that if I have an opinion on something, I sometimes try to argue the other point. I do believe that private schools have all the right, but this is kinda fun arguing with what I believe, it lets me open my eyes to another aspect of the issue.

 

[milefile]

Maybe they hoped you'd convert by osmosis. There was a couple non-catholics in my schools as well and I thought it was strange at the time.

 

[Pako]

Originally posted by neon_duke
Well, I would argue that this occurred when religious mystics began telling us that humans are sinners by nature, that we are flawed and can never truly rise above those flaws, that we can only beg forgiveness from an almighty god or gods whom we cannot comprehend. This was done in an effort to destroy man's self esteem so that he could be controlled.

It's proven to be a pretty successful tactic on their part. More the fool mankind.

I have experienced just the opposite in dealing with people of Christian backgrounds. I can see where you would say that in looking at some of the organized religious sects in history, but my personal experience is completely different, as ntoed with my original post. Again, generalizations can be very damaging, but I will agree with you that in the name of "Religion", human manipulations and psyci-alterations have been happening for thousands of years. It was a source of power and fear that was used to 'control' their people. Scare tatics are being used today, in my heart, I believe that this is agianst everything that 'they' are probably teaching or trying to live by.......modivational fear can only go so far. This is not the case with "all" religious sanctions, but can be found in some.

 

[Red Eye Racer]

Spontainious Rant:

I cant do friggin crap in this town on Sunday,..... everything is closed One nice thing is knowing that I still have the right to mow my lawn on Sunday. Dang, I cant wait. I love it when the neighbors across the street walk to the edge of their property and stare at me like I'm the devil himself Anything that makes noise and looks like labor,.... you'll find me doing it on Sundays. Justdespite em all,. ya,.. sounds prickish,... but see how you feal when you have to drive 10 miles, past 4 closed gas stations, just to get a pack of gum.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Did you know that retail sales do as much business in the month of December as they do in the entire year?

Might want to clarify that - I'd bet that convertible salesmen would slightly disagree.

 

[sn00pie]

Originally posted by Red Eye Racer
Spontainious Rant:

I cant do friggin crap in this town on Sunday,..... everything is closed One nice thing is knowing that I still have the right to mow my lawn on Sunday. Dang, I cant wait. I love it when the neighbors across the street walk to the edge of their property and stare at me like I'm the devil himself Anything that makes noise and looks like labor,.... you'll find me doing it on Sundays. Justdespite em all,. ya,.. sounds prickish,... but see how you feal when you have to drive 10 miles, past 4 closed gas stations, just to get a pack of gum.

You must like gum.