I'm not sure if many are familiar with these two cars here, but I kinda notice the differences between these two cars both in game and real life. I've sat in both of these cars before and can tell the Honda Integra Type R seems to be the quicker of the two despite the Mazda RX8 having more hp. Even in the Best Motoring DVDs, they've tested a stock RX8 on Tsukuba and the Type R smoked the RX8 pretty easily. But in game its another story. No matter how hard me and my friends tried, a stock RX8 can totally outrun the DC5 Type R. Seems the vtec isnt kicking in as much as I hoped it would have been in game! Or maybe they kinda overpowered the RX8 here. Nothing major here though, just sharing somethings I noticed. ><
RX8 and Integra DC5 Type R differences
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DJ-CiviC
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lol... I dont want to be rude or anything but whats the point of this thread ??? The RX8 and the Integra is in a totally different class... 
First the Integra. Its a really sport car by Honda. DC5 Type R is something really great. Its an FF, its Honda, its VTEC...
The RX8 ?? omg dawg, this car is WAAAAAAAAY too overrated. Despite of a good power, the car doesnt have anything in the bank. Its a sport car, but the Rotary technology still unstable and always have problems. Besides of the Rotary technology that everybody thing that this is the best thing ever created, it sucks and makes the car sounds like an RC car... I do agree that the car has some good curves, maybe some good corneling performances, good power, but Rotary is way overrated... Mazda still got to improve everything in their technologies and productions... They are way on the bottom of the import list...
Still, I would really like to see a RX8 against a DC5 Type R... But I would prefer a DC2. About the VTEC in the game, you dont know when the VTEC kicks in AT ALL... I would like to feel it in the game and hear it tho...
Oh hey, welcome to GTP and hope you'll have fun
First the Integra. Its a really sport car by Honda. DC5 Type R is something really great. Its an FF, its Honda, its VTEC...
The RX8 ?? omg dawg, this car is WAAAAAAAAY too overrated. Despite of a good power, the car doesnt have anything in the bank. Its a sport car, but the Rotary technology still unstable and always have problems. Besides of the Rotary technology that everybody thing that this is the best thing ever created, it sucks and makes the car sounds like an RC car... I do agree that the car has some good curves, maybe some good corneling performances, good power, but Rotary is way overrated... Mazda still got to improve everything in their technologies and productions... They are way on the bottom of the import list...
Still, I would really like to see a RX8 against a DC5 Type R... But I would prefer a DC2. About the VTEC in the game, you dont know when the VTEC kicks in AT ALL... I would like to feel it in the game and hear it tho...
Oh hey, welcome to GTP and hope you'll have fun
My thread has no point really, just some random rant. 
But its just something I noticed that reflects ingame performance in GT4 and in real life and thus wanted to share here.
I agree the RX8 is overated though, still preferred the FD any day.
And thanks, I'm already loving this site/forum.
But its just something I noticed that reflects ingame performance in GT4 and in real life and thus wanted to share here.
I agree the RX8 is overated though, still preferred the FD any day.
And thanks, I'm already loving this site/forum.
DJ-CiviC
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Yeah some cars in GT4 are reflecting their actual performances, some no. You cant always have good results but Polyphony done some great work anyway.
Well its a question of your car's tastes. I got a love for imports but still love some American cars, not alot, but some lol
Just some
Well its a question of your car's tastes. I got a love for imports but still love some American cars, not alot, but some lol
Just some
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It's just the FF vs. FR thing. As detailed in about a zillion other threads, FF cars are either much slower than in real life (as on the drag strip) or just the same, while FR cars are either a bit faster or a lot faster. This has to do with GT's handling of front-rear balance, physics, grip and understeer. Don't worry too much about it. The DC5 still kicks ass when compared to most other FFs.
The main difference, skingg, is the fact that the DC5 JDM (not the US poser!) is a car tuned for the track, as all Type R's are and an RX-8 is tuned for the street, so it's somewhat of a Grand Tourer. I see you're a BMI fan. Watch "Rotary Reborn" and you'll see what I mean.
Integra Type R's (DC2 or DC5) are such great handling cars that they can easily hold they're own against any car with similar power outputs, be it FR or 4WD.
Remember though, this is only a game and once you start modifying these cars anything you've seen or heard in the real world can be thrown out the window.
If you're comparing these cars in stock form I suggest using N2 tyres on the RX-8 and N3 tyres on the DC5. That, in my opinion, would best simulate their real world counterparts. Stock Type-R's have such grippy tyres it's almost impossible to get any understeer and when driven with the wrong set of tyres they feel a little sloppy.
My friend has a DC2 and he bought it 2nd hand with lower grade tyres than stock and it made me wonder what was so great about a DC2 ITR. It's important to use the right tyres on a car like this as it has been tested to death by Honda to match the car's overall balance.
I'd guess, as I haven't driven one, that the RX-8 would best suit N2's for it's more a Grand Touring Sportscar rather than outright track based Race car. Remember, this is for stock cars. If modifying you might even want to use softer tyres on the DC5 than the RX-8.
As for DJ-Civic saying that Rotary engines are overrated, you'd only have to look at your local drag strip to see the true potential of a Rotary engine. The engine can be quite a weapon in either NA or Forced Induction forms. You'd probably say that any car can be. But, remember that the largest displacement for a Rotary that you'll find is only 1.3 litres. I won't even go on about the effects the engine has on the chassis balance.
Consider two things. Both Rotary and VVT (I say VVT 'cause VTEC is a brand) have been around for roughly the same amount of years, about 80. Every kind of manufacturing company in the world that needs a motor of some kind, be it for bikes or trucks or boats or planes or whatever, use a piston engine, bar one. Mazda are on their own when it comes to developing the Rotary engine. Everytime a new technology or manufacturing process is discovered for a piston engine every other company will adopt it.
Give Mazda some credit. I'd say they're doing pretty well..
RXGem
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Integra Type R's (DC2 or DC5) are such great handling cars that they can easily hold they're own against any car with similar power outputs, be it FR or 4WD.
Remember though, this is only a game and once you start modifying these cars anything you've seen or heard in the real world can be thrown out the window.
If you're comparing these cars in stock form I suggest using N2 tyres on the RX-8 and N3 tyres on the DC5. That, in my opinion, would best simulate their real world counterparts. Stock Type-R's have such grippy tyres it's almost impossible to get any understeer and when driven with the wrong set of tyres they feel a little sloppy.
My friend has a DC2 and he bought it 2nd hand with lower grade tyres than stock and it made me wonder what was so great about a DC2 ITR. It's important to use the right tyres on a car like this as it has been tested to death by Honda to match the car's overall balance.
I'd guess, as I haven't driven one, that the RX-8 would best suit N2's for it's more a Grand Touring Sportscar rather than outright track based Race car. Remember, this is for stock cars. If modifying you might even want to use softer tyres on the DC5 than the RX-8.
As for DJ-Civic saying that Rotary engines are overrated, you'd only have to look at your local drag strip to see the true potential of a Rotary engine. The engine can be quite a weapon in either NA or Forced Induction forms. You'd probably say that any car can be. But, remember that the largest displacement for a Rotary that you'll find is only 1.3 litres. I won't even go on about the effects the engine has on the chassis balance.
Consider two things. Both Rotary and VVT (I say VVT 'cause VTEC is a brand) have been around for roughly the same amount of years, about 80. Every kind of manufacturing company in the world that needs a motor of some kind, be it for bikes or trucks or boats or planes or whatever, use a piston engine, bar one. Mazda are on their own when it comes to developing the Rotary engine. Everytime a new technology or manufacturing process is discovered for a piston engine every other company will adopt it.
Give Mazda some credit. I'd say they're doing pretty well..
RXGem
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The RX-8 is a sports car for older people, more a grand tourer never really meant for racing, it handles amazing, but is still very functionable.
the DC5 type Rs (who no longer have the VTEC "kick" since they have i-VTEC) are very very quick around a track, and it wouldn't suprise me if it could take a RX-8, but the RX-8 is part luxury, where the type Rs are stripped out racers.
Comparing them isn't really fair because mazda never intended it to be a competitor. Just a seller.
Oh, and don't badmouth rotaries, the Renesis is one of the most refined engines you'll ever find.
the DC5 type Rs (who no longer have the VTEC "kick" since they have i-VTEC) are very very quick around a track, and it wouldn't suprise me if it could take a RX-8, but the RX-8 is part luxury, where the type Rs are stripped out racers.
Comparing them isn't really fair because mazda never intended it to be a competitor. Just a seller.
Oh, and don't badmouth rotaries, the Renesis is one of the most refined engines you'll ever find.
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Having owned rotaries, my brother owning a rotor, and working on them, i'd say i'm a tad more qualified to talk about them than a honda fan
Rotaries provide great, smooth power, especially considering their size, and their small weight and low/rearward placement in the engine bay lowers the center of gravity, as well as improving the weight distribution.
However, the torque output is unimpressive, fuel economy is nothing to brag about, heat is a bigger issue than with conventional engines, apex seals like to blow out, and rebuilds are necessary every 100,000 miles or so.
I've heard that the RENESIS has improved upon most of those faults, though...
However, the torque output is unimpressive, fuel economy is nothing to brag about, heat is a bigger issue than with conventional engines, apex seals like to blow out, and rebuilds are necessary every 100,000 miles or so.
I've heard that the RENESIS has improved upon most of those faults, though...
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Wolfe2x7
sorry had to correct something, with poor and improper maintenance these two facts are true, but otherwise, no, i've seen rotaries going over 300000 miles, still strong
the main problem you get with rotaries is people not taking care of them, or because it's so cheap and easy to modify them and get ****loads of power for practically nothing, the standard apex seals aren't up to the big number, so they get a bad rep, but lately it's been starting to turn around, the rx-8 is a bit more abuse friendly but if you're a ******** it's not gonna treat you right.
bennettaru
Well, yes, you're partially correct. With improper and poor maintenance those two facts are guaranteed, but with proper maintenance those two facts are still likely. Just go ask some of the guys at RX-7 Owner's Club. They obviously love their cars, and take good care of them, but the cars aren't so eager to return the favor. 13B's and other older rotaries just aren't reliable, especially when you turbocharge them. I'm sure there are exceptions, but 300,000-mile rotaries definitely aren't the norm.
I love rotary engines myself, but the facts are the facts.
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Wolfe2x7Well, yes, you're partially correct. With improper and poor maintenance those two facts are guaranteed, but with proper maintenance those two facts are still likely. Just go ask some of the guys at RX-7 Owner's Club. They obviously love their cars, and take good care of them, but the cars aren't so eager to return the favor. 13B's and other older rotaries just aren't reliable, especially when you turbocharge them. I'm sure there are exceptions, but 300,000-mile rotaries definitely aren't the norm.
I love rotary engines myself, but the facts are the facts.
I agree, but the guys at RX-7 owners club (i'm a member myself) aren't really a good base to get facts from for a standard vehicle, when you begin modifying it's a completely different story.
But anyways, on the topic of reliability, which Japanese car maker is the only one to win Le Mans 24hr? And with what engine? And have all their cars finish?
Mazda, with a rotor, that was supposed to shut people up about reliability
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All the points raised above regarding driving a DC5 against an RX-8 are valid, but one thing does apear to have been missed.
The Driver!!!
Generally it is easier to extract a good performance (read lap-time) from a RWD car thar a FWD car. To maximise FWD performance you need to be very, very smooth; particularly with corner exit throttle application. A RWD car will let you get away with more, and given the car in question, its hardly going to spank you if you get it wrong.
I might have a look at these two tonight, please don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the GT4 DC5 will beat a GT4 RX-8 (not until I have had a chance to try them both back to back); all I am saying is that the driver and driving style have a lot to do with this.
The on paper figures for the cars are close (the DC5 is quicker to 60 and has a better PTW, but the RX-8 has a slightly higher top speed), so driver (and track) could play a huge factor here.
Regards
Scaff
The Driver!!!
Generally it is easier to extract a good performance (read lap-time) from a RWD car thar a FWD car. To maximise FWD performance you need to be very, very smooth; particularly with corner exit throttle application. A RWD car will let you get away with more, and given the car in question, its hardly going to spank you if you get it wrong.
I might have a look at these two tonight, please don't get me wrong, I am not saying that the GT4 DC5 will beat a GT4 RX-8 (not until I have had a chance to try them both back to back); all I am saying is that the driver and driving style have a lot to do with this.
The on paper figures for the cars are close (the DC5 is quicker to 60 and has a better PTW, but the RX-8 has a slightly higher top speed), so driver (and track) could play a huge factor here.
Regards
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I agree with Scaff. The Integra's chassis is setup more for tracks compared to teh RX-8, which you could say is meant to be more of an all-rounder. Comfortable on the road, yet competent on a circuit.
Also, as mentioned, it's easier to get an optimum lap time with a FR set-up, as they don't have a tendac to understeer heavily. I tend to find tha under steer slows me down more than oversteer, as i can sometimes even use mild oversteer to my advantage.
And don't slag the Wankel Rotary engine. It's a far more efficient engine than the old Otto Cycle piston engine, which we've had for over a century funnily enough. A 1.3 litre wankel engine can easily develop as much power as a n/a Otto cycle engine twice the size, and it's smaller and lighter, giving further perfromance and handling gains. It's a very smooth engine indeed, and it uses less moving parts than a piston engine, making it simpler if you know what you're doing with them.
Not only that, Wankel is a pretty good word (obviously).
Also, as mentioned, it's easier to get an optimum lap time with a FR set-up, as they don't have a tendac to understeer heavily. I tend to find tha under steer slows me down more than oversteer, as i can sometimes even use mild oversteer to my advantage.
And don't slag the Wankel Rotary engine. It's a far more efficient engine than the old Otto Cycle piston engine, which we've had for over a century funnily enough. A 1.3 litre wankel engine can easily develop as much power as a n/a Otto cycle engine twice the size, and it's smaller and lighter, giving further perfromance and handling gains. It's a very smooth engine indeed, and it uses less moving parts than a piston engine, making it simpler if you know what you're doing with them.
Not only that, Wankel is a pretty good word (obviously).
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Currently doing the DC5 v. RX-8 test on Nurburgring.
Results
DC5 - 8'37.087
RX-8 - 9'02.066
There you have it. The lap in the Mazda was pretty sloppy though. Its late and I wasn't exactly avoiding oversteer. The Integra's lap is pretty clean. Some offs and a couple walls, but nothing too serious.
Results
DC5 - 8'37.087
RX-8 - 9'02.066
There you have it. The lap in the Mazda was pretty sloppy though. Its late and I wasn't exactly avoiding oversteer. The Integra's lap is pretty clean. Some offs and a couple walls, but nothing too serious.
RXGemThe main difference, skingg, is the fact that the DC5 JDM (not the US poser!) is a car tuned for the track, as all Type R's are and an RX-8 is tuned for the street, so it's somewhat of a Grand Tourer. I see you're a BMI fan. Watch "Rotary Reborn" and you'll see what I mean.
Integra Type R's (DC2 or DC5) are such great handling cars that they can easily hold they're own against any car with similar power outputs, be it FR or 4WD.
Remember though, this is only a game and once you start modifying these cars anything you've seen or heard in the real world can be thrown out the window.
If you're comparing these cars in stock form I suggest using N2 tyres on the RX-8 and N3 tyres on the DC5. That, in my opinion, would best simulate their real world counterparts. Stock Type-R's have such grippy tyres it's almost impossible to get any understeer and when driven with the wrong set of tyres they feel a little sloppy.
My friend has a DC2 and he bought it 2nd hand with lower grade tyres than stock and it made me wonder what was so great about a DC2 ITR. It's important to use the right tyres on a car like this as it has been tested to death by Honda to match the car's overall balance.
I'd guess, as I haven't driven one, that the RX-8 would best suit N2's for it's more a Grand Touring Sportscar rather than outright track based Race car. Remember, this is for stock cars. If modifying you might even want to use softer tyres on the DC5 than the RX-8.
RXGem
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Yeah I've watched Rotary Reborn and another called Enduro Challenge where the RX8 couldnt keep up with the DC5.
Anyway I just use these cars when I play on arcade mode with my brother so yeah they are stock. Only thing is we both use S2 tires for both our cars and no matter who drove which, even reving on 3rd gear the RX8 rotary just seemed faster than the DC5 Type R on vtec. And we always based our races on the Tsukuba circuit which seems to be the more popular track for Best Motoring drivers to test a car's performance on. And while I've tried time attack with a stock DC5 Type R on Tsukuba, it does match its real life record time of 1min 8sec-10sec range. I've yet to tried time attack on the RX8 though but I believe it'll be the faster of the two on Tsukuba in game.
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Running the cars in Arcade mode may mean that some of the driver aids are switched on, which could be an issue. However the main problem for me would be the tyres, S2's (or any S tyre) have far to much grip for a fair stock Vs Stock comparison. N2's would be my choice.
I never go a chance to run these two last night (to busy getting drunk and setting of fireworks - Bonfire night - silly British tradition to celebrate the death of a man that tried to blow up Parliment), hopefully I will get a chance tonight. Tsukuba will also be my track of choice for this.
Regards
Scaff
I never go a chance to run these two last night (to busy getting drunk and setting of fireworks - Bonfire night - silly British tradition to celebrate the death of a man that tried to blow up Parliment), hopefully I will get a chance tonight. Tsukuba will also be my track of choice for this.
Regards
Scaff
bennettaru
Mazda, with a rotary engine that isn't found in any of their roadcars. I'm not talking about the poor reliability of the rotary engine here. I'm talking about the poor reliability of the 13B found in the FD and FC, as well as the the rotaries that came before the 13B.
As Razo said, on paper, the concept is far superior to the standard piston engine, and the 26B, as well as the RENESIS, are prime examples of reliable rotary engines. However, that doesn't make the RX-7s and other rotary cars reliable... 💡
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OK I ran both cars at Tsukuba last night, a quick five laps each on N2's just to get a feel for them and obtain a lap-time. Keep in mind that both these times could be improved on.
Mazda RX-8 '03 - 1.12:891
Nice easy car to drive quickly, neutral balance on corner entry, with a tendancy towards understeer that progresses very slowly to oversteer on the limit in constant radius corners. Quite easy to get the tail to step out on corner exit in lower gear corners, never dramatic.
Honda Integra Type-R (DC5) '03 - 1.12.087
Typical high power front wheel drive issue arise with the DC5, try and drive it like a RWD car and its a pain; remember what it is and its both quick and enjoyable. The ITR needs care taken with the front tyres work load, brake deep into corners, but let the car settle before turning the wheel to avoid understeer. A constant throttle is needed on high speed sweepers (constant radius corners), as is good throttle control on corner exit. Using a wheel & pedals or the r.hand thumb stick for the throttle helps with this.
Not an easy car to extract the most from, but in my opinion more enjoyable to drive as it is much more of a challenge, overall the quicker of the two cars (in my hands) but requires more from the driver to extract that performance.
Just my humble opinions, but I hope they are of interest.
Regards
Scaff
Mazda RX-8 '03 - 1.12:891
Nice easy car to drive quickly, neutral balance on corner entry, with a tendancy towards understeer that progresses very slowly to oversteer on the limit in constant radius corners. Quite easy to get the tail to step out on corner exit in lower gear corners, never dramatic.
Honda Integra Type-R (DC5) '03 - 1.12.087
Typical high power front wheel drive issue arise with the DC5, try and drive it like a RWD car and its a pain; remember what it is and its both quick and enjoyable. The ITR needs care taken with the front tyres work load, brake deep into corners, but let the car settle before turning the wheel to avoid understeer. A constant throttle is needed on high speed sweepers (constant radius corners), as is good throttle control on corner exit. Using a wheel & pedals or the r.hand thumb stick for the throttle helps with this.
Not an easy car to extract the most from, but in my opinion more enjoyable to drive as it is much more of a challenge, overall the quicker of the two cars (in my hands) but requires more from the driver to extract that performance.
Just my humble opinions, but I hope they are of interest.
Regards
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I'm going to look into this and that's the only way I will accept what has been said before me in this case. 
DC5 vs RX8
RX8 what? Type S? Or some other model?
Should I find the best match in my opinion?
I tell you what, regardless of that stuff, Sports tires + GT mode stock cars + Oil will be my equation.
Both cars on the same type of tires!
Or the same stock tires they get!
None of this put a rear-wheel drive on N2s and an integra on S3s.
I can't wait to get home from school to take care of this.
Something new for my ring adventures.
Also, I'm looking into finding a best motoring video with these 2 cars involved but I'm finding nothing so far.
In any case, I'm doing a test this afternoon and you all should expect to see results around 4 or later. 👍
Can't wait to take car of it.
Till then,
Btw, the driver will make a difference for all of this... I would like to see as many ring lap times as possible from both cars so I can see if my racing creates an exception or a rule.
DC5 vs RX8
RX8 what? Type S? Or some other model?
Should I find the best match in my opinion?
I tell you what, regardless of that stuff, Sports tires + GT mode stock cars + Oil will be my equation.
Both cars on the same type of tires!
Or the same stock tires they get!
None of this put a rear-wheel drive on N2s and an integra on S3s.
I can't wait to get home from school to take care of this.
Something new for my ring adventures.
Also, I'm looking into finding a best motoring video with these 2 cars involved but I'm finding nothing so far.
In any case, I'm doing a test this afternoon and you all should expect to see results around 4 or later. 👍
Can't wait to take car of it.
Till then,
Btw, the driver will make a difference for all of this... I would like to see as many ring lap times as possible from both cars so I can see if my racing creates an exception or a rule.
