S License option for Online racing?

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GCMBoxertech
Sick of idiots driving dirty online :grumpy:

do you think it would be a good idea to impliment a License OPTION when creating a online room?

We all know the test is prettymuch full laps where you have to drive clean dont bump etc etc, i am convinced most of the online users who dont race clean, do not know how to.

PS: i said OPTION not REQUIREMENT

My search skill may be weak but i didnt see a thread covering this idea, just one idea saying u need licenese to race online period.
https://www.gtplanet.net/search/?q=online+race+license+required
 
Good idea but it won't really solve anything. Due to the overhauling of licenses, allowing you to drive like a maniac and get gold by crashing into other cars and no DQ, it probably won't weed out the undesirable drivers. To fully avoid this, start your own room and race your friends, that's the only surefire way.
 
S license is easy to obtain. Granted that you only need Bronze, and bronze times are very permissive, you can drive like ass and still beat the clock.
 
i have a decent friends list, but sometimes i find racing against 4/5 people boring, about 1 good racer is added each week so i dont really like to kick people out of rooms, you never know who is clean or not.

I love racing a full grid but we constantly get the "I didnt ram you on purpose, you just need to move out of the way because you driving too slow" type characters enter the room.
 
GCMBoxertech
i have a decent friends list, but sometimes i find racing against 4/5 people boring, about 1 good racer is added each week so i dont really like to kick people out of rooms, you never know who is clean or not.

I love racing a full grid but we constantly get the "I didnt ram you on purpose, you just need to move out of the way because you driving too slow" type characters enter the room.
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I'd rather race against 4 or 5 great drivers than have a full field where half of them behave in worse fashion than the AI.
 
Perhaps a 60 gold requirement.
I know the issue of dirty and cheating drivers is huge. Last night I raced four laps of Sarthe and I was in a Shelby Cobra: I couldn't believe how far ahead three guys got and when I went back and watched them on the replay: they had all cut every corner they could.

I would prefer to see an off the track penalty like for time trials. So that if your time were to go red, you would lose all power for 10 seconds or so.

Then they just need to fix those who ram into others.
 
In principle, it's not a bad idea. And it's something I've suggested before. People were quick to blame cheaters/glitchers/dupers for driving around in X2010s and running people off the road. But it was always a flawed argument.

1. Somebody can buy GT5, who has had absolutely NO experience with driving games at all, play B-spec and eventually, work their way to level 35 and obtain an X2010. And then use that car to enter an online lobby having never once ever driven the car online OR offline.

2. Somebody can buy GT5, and have their friend/cousin/brother, gift them a fast car. And then use that car to enter an online lobby having never once ever driven the car online OR offline.

3. Somebody can buy GT5 and use their starter 20,000 CR to buy a slow car. And then use that car to enter an online lobby having never once ever driven the car online OR offline. And you can potentially create as much or more havoc with a slow car as you can with a fast car.

In essence, there should be SOME sort of skill test to prevent just anybody from picking up the game and crashing online lobbies. That said, as others have pointed out, I don't think the license tests, as they stand, are really proper tests of people's ability to race and drive cleanly. Especially now after the last update. In fact, I would go so far as to say, the whole start from last and pass the entire field in 3 laps concept is largely responsible for the kind of moronic behavior we often see in some lobbies.
 
Hastatus
Perhaps a 60 gold requirement.
I know the issue of dirty and cheating drivers is huge. Last night I raced four laps of Sarthe and I was in a Shelby Cobra: I couldn't believe how far ahead three guys got and when I went back and watched them on the replay: they had all cut every corner they could.

I would prefer to see an off the track penalty like for time trials. So that if your time were to go red, you would lose all power for 10 seconds or so.

Then they just need to fix those who ram into others.
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Good idea, but while the S-License requirement is too little, your requirement is too harsh. Not everyone can gold all 60 license tests and you don't want to turn it entirely into elitist vs. newbie.
 
I think having a Level requirement may be more accurate, perhaps let only level 30 plus in to a race. Not everyone spends time on the License tests since they are not required to drive any A-spec races.
 
Blitz24
Good idea, but while the S-License requirement is too little, your requirement is too harsh. Not everyone can gold all 60 license tests and you don't want to turn it entirely into elitist vs. newbie.
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I'm not saying that should be the only requirement: but that hosts could select from several options to get the right level of skill into his or her room.
 
It would be a good option, but would only work best if you could set Gold, Bronze or Silver settings for certain licenses.
 
Hastatus
I'm not saying that should be the only requirement: but that hosts could select from several options to get the right level of skill into his or her room.
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Maybe all silver or better would be better because it then means that the person tried to complete the licenses and didn't just cakewalk them because they were there.
 
I doubt it would do anything. In addition to the above arguments, what's stopping a technically proficient driver from basically trolling?

There are plenty of people who are fully capable of driving a clean race but simply don't want to. People love to piss other people off. I bet a large percentage of people who crash in online do it fairly purposefully.

An accidental bump in the braking zone, or a bad line change is a mistake, a PIT maneuver or a full speed ram is pretty intentional.

Basically, if you want a clean race you have to invite the people you know race clean or hope for a good room.
 
It's all about the host. The host has to set the tone. You have to pay attention to lobby traffic. When new people join, announce the unacceptable behavior for the new people. Tell everyone to voice their concerns after the race. Issue a warning, if the player continues to be a nuisance, use the kick button.

There are plenty of fast guys that are bad drivers. The license won't fix that.
 
GCMBoxertech
i have a decent friends list, but sometimes i find racing against 4/5 people boring, about 1 good racer is added each week so i dont really like to kick people out of rooms, you never know who is clean or not.

I love racing a full grid but we constantly get the "I didnt ram you on purpose, you just need to move out of the way because you driving too slow" type characters enter the room.
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freedomweasel
I doubt it would do anything. In addition to the above arguments, what's stopping a technically proficient driver from basically trolling?

There are plenty of people who are fully capable of driving a clean race but simply don't want to. People love to piss other people off. I bet a large percentage of people who crash in online do it fairly purposefully.

An accidental bump in the braking zone, or a bad line change is a mistake, a PIT maneuver or a full speed ram is pretty intentional.

Basically, if you want a clean race you have to invite the people you know race clean or hope for a good room.
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These two hit the nail on the head.

While the principle of the idea is sound, theres plenty of "Michael Schumachers" online, who are just as bad as the level 5's with X2010s. They passed the license tests, heck they are fast drivers, but can't seem to understand that just because you're faster than someone it doesn't mean they have to bow down to you and let you go.

I've lost online races to drivers that were slower than me, and not because they were blocking me, but because they never made a mistake and I couldn't find a way around them. Thats just the way it is, in real life too.

So to echo freedomweasel "Basically, if you want a clean race you have to invite the people you know race clean or hope for a good room."
 
D_M
It's all about the host. The host has to set the tone. You have to pay attention to lobby traffic. When new people join, announce the unacceptable behavior for the new people. Tell everyone to voice their concerns after the race. Issue a warning, if the player continues to be a nuisance, use the kick button.

There are plenty of fast guys that are bad drivers. The license won't fix that.
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not looking for a fix because their is none, it would be nice to race and not worry too much about clowns driving bumper karts, its a bit hard to moderate a racer when your in the race also, i dont think its fair to go by what other members say either, i remember a scenario where i started first place, spun out @ first corner, down 40secs and in turn won the race, cleanly but some of the other guys told the host i was driving "dirty" then i got kicked. :-/
(i was down 40secs because i let traffic pass me before i went back on the track)
 
It would be better to filter by transmission type. In general (and I know there are caveats), those that use automatic transmissions have a lower quality of driving, than those that use manual transmission. so having the option to choose to have manual only options, would drown out the vast majority of deadwood you find online.

Besides, no restriction is going to stop the skilled, but determined punter. 👍
 
You want to know what's really frustrating? Yesterday, I took over for a host that left and I had to put with plenty of drivers who wouldn't race fairly. I had to a few times to stay off a race to validate people's complaints about a player and then if they weren't lying, they would be kicked. I love to race, what I don't like to do is to have to watch a race just to keep it clean. At least I got a few friends for handling the chat room well before I got disconnected (It was when I ate a late supper). I would be in favor of having a stricter system of requirement to race, but I don't think we've found it yet.
jjaisli
In principle, it's not a bad idea. And it's something I've suggested before. People were quick to blame cheaters/glitchers/dupers for driving around in X2010s and running people off the road. But it was always a flawed argument.

1. Somebody can buy GT5, who has had absolutely NO experience with driving games at all, play B-spec and eventually, work their way to level 35 and obtain an X2010. And then use that car to enter an online lobby having never once ever driven the car online OR offline.

2. Somebody can buy GT5, and have their friend/cousin/brother, gift them a fast car. And then use that car to enter an online lobby having never once ever driven the car online OR offline.

3. Somebody can buy GT5 and use their starter 20,000 CR to buy a slow car. And then use that car to enter an online lobby having never once ever driven the car online OR offline. And you can potentially create as much or more havoc with a slow car as you can with a fast car.

In essence, there should be SOME sort of skill test to prevent just anybody from picking up the game and crashing online lobbies. That said, as others have pointed out, I don't think the license tests, as they stand, are really proper tests of people's ability to race and drive cleanly. Especially now after the last update. In fact, I would go so far as to say, the whole start from last and pass the entire field in 3 laps concept is largely responsible for the kind of moronic behavior we often see in some lobbies.
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Quote of Truth. This post nails the problem completely, now we need to find a solution.
Concentrate44
I think having a Level requirement may be more accurate, perhaps let only level 30 plus in to a race. Not everyone spends time on the License tests since they are not required to drive any A-spec races.
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I disagree with this. A person can be at Level 40 and still be a poor driver that race dirty. When I was in that room with races that was nearly full (Called "race what you wont"), there were quite a few drivers that would constantly ram into you and they were fast drivers. It was especially unpleasant when I had to step out of the next race to address people's complaints. It's better then the License requirement system, but not quite there yet.
 
Concentrate44
I think having a Level requirement may be more accurate, perhaps let only level 30 plus in to a race. Not everyone spends time on the License tests since they are not required to drive any A-spec races.
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A quick search shows me that with a couple of rubber bands I can be lvl 40 in just a few days without doing any driving or improving in skill.

Even without that, A-Spec level just shows how many hours you've put into the game, not how good you are at driving, or if you want to intentionally ram people regardless of your ability to drive cleanly.

I have all the licenses finished (not gold, mostly bronze) I'm lvl 30 or so, have a bunch of cars, don't usually drive with aids and don't ram the AI.
On the other hand whats stopping me from being a total douche online? I get through all the filters suggested here, but you can't filter "douchebag". Maybe I just really enjoy ramming people.

Most of these filters just sound like elitist generalizations. I doubt they'd do much. Griefers exist in every game.
 
Hastatus
I would prefer to see an off the track penalty like for time trials. So that if your time were to go red, you would lose all power for 10 seconds or so.

Then they just need to fix those who ram into others.
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I don't think this is a bad idea. If someone rams you, they actually lose power for a few seconds. But it maybe it has to be graded on some type of scale, kinda like the old license tests were. When you bumped someone softly, you weren't disqualified, but a hard bump resulted in a DQ. Didn't one of the old F1 games have a six second penalty in it, for doing things like cutting corners, ramming, etc. Might be good to put some things in like that. I wouldn't go as far as F1 2010, because you can sneeze and get a penalty in that game, but something needs to be addressed. I'm lv37/A, and 36/B, there's not a whole lot left to do for me, except collect cars. It's nice to have a few races online, but with all the a**clowns out there, something needs to be done.
 
GCMBoxertech
not looking for a fix because their is none, it would be nice to race and not worry too much about clowns driving bumper karts, its a bit hard to moderate a racer when your in the race also, i dont think its fair to go by what other members say either, i remember a scenario where i started first place, spun out @ first corner, down 40secs and in turn won the race, cleanly but some of the other guys told the host i was driving "dirty" then i got kicked. :-/
(i was down 40secs because i let traffic pass me before i went back on the track)
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I don't know what happened with your above scenario, but you had to pass the host in order to win. So the host had the opportunity to judge your driving.
 
There is only one fix to this issue and that is to implement a thing called LPI or laps per incedent. The host can set this number as high or low as he or she wants too. ex. I host a room and set the LPI to 100 that means in order to enter my room you have to have driven 100 laps without getting into a wreck.
The level thing was the only way I was able to find clean respectful drivers before but that has gone out the window with the glitch. So setting up a room with level restrictions means nothing now.
 
nah good mechanic damage + serious panalties for hitting from behind.

You want to bump other ? here you are 30 second of penalty or one automatic pitstop.

In therms of mechanic damage i mean one serious hit = end of race...
 
One solution: disqualify them like it used to happen in licence tests. Instead the system works better than in old licence tests i.e. more fair
 
Passing the license tests is a poor indicator of skill or whether or not the person will cheat or grief. This will just be incentive for people to take tests that they may not want to and may not need. I golded all of them and I can't say I learned a thing...
 
The best solution is kick. Everyone is welcome in my rooms. But those not interested in racing get kicked out. It's basically 100% effective.
 
Exorcet
The best solution is kick. Everyone is welcome in my rooms. But those not interested in racing get kicked out. It's basically 100% effective.
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I agree. I make it very clear that dirty racing isn't tolerated in my rooms. Works out well.
 
Perkel
nah good mechanic damage + serious panalties for hitting from behind.

You want to bump other ? here you are 30 second of penalty or one automatic pitstop.

In therms of mechanic damage i mean one serious hit = end of race...
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That is the ultimate answer in this thread.
 
"nah good mechanic damage + serious panalties for hitting from behind.

You want to bump other ? here you are 30 second of penalty or one automatic pitstop."

Penalties are really dumb. You can just hit someone from behind by accident or someone that braked unnecessarily hard.
 

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