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I'm new to this site but glad to see that there are other GT3 nuts out there! I just want to know if anyone else is AS mad as me and has done what i have... (its probably been flogged to bits anyway)
I've bought every one of the standard road cars(i.e. no race spec cars) and tested their straight line performance over the kilometre against the real car and modified them until its the same as printed in its AUTOCAR magazine roadtest. I now have a full garage of cars that perform exactly the same as they should (0-60mph, 0-100mph, standing 1/4 mile, standing kilometre) and i've noticed a lot of trends. All front wheel drive cars perform WAY slower than their real life counterparts. They need at least another 15% power to bring them into line AND most need super soft racing tyres to get off the line fast enough. Nearly ALL cars need a modified flywheel of some sort and most front wheel drivers need a triple clutch too.

I think its silly that a game this advanced and, well, near perfect to an accurate simulation has cars that perform so differently to real life. All those people out there wont know whats really fast and whats really slow. I hope that the cars in GT4 perfom exactly as they should and (if the lists of cars i've seen is true) cant wait to get to grip with some of the most famous british hot-hatches in history. I'm just glad that all of the cars are slower so you can make them faster cos you cant make them slower!

Sad...

If you thought that was sad hear this! I drive a mk1 1990 1.6 mx5(miata/roadster) when i have to face reality and go out(!). I am an absolute car nut and will race ANYTHNG that comes near me. When i get beaten (quite normal strangely...) by a car that is featured on GT3 i then test my car against it and see how much extra bhp i need to beat it! LOL.

Well now you all know, rip me apart!
 
.....Well of course...people like to trick themselves into believing that PD is perfect, but they're far from it...they got the cars to look the same....sound ..."alright"...although there are some big qualms with some of em....And the fact that some cars are just a HELL of alot more "squirly" on the game than they are IRL...but then again...You can't sit in the car in the game..you can't feel how the car responds to abuse...So in theory, PD could have it EXACTLY....We just can't drive it with a TV screen as we can with periferal....Which is probably the case.
 
LOL! What the hell did you just say? Have you rigged your computer to your brain? You type what you're thinking, quality! Do you speak like that too? Oh and what is PD?
 
Originally posted by Trappy
If you thought that was sad hear this! I drive a mk1 1990 1.6 mx5(miata/roadster) when i have to face reality and go out(!). I am an absolute car nut and will race ANYTHNG that comes near me.
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*slap*

If you want to race, go to a race track. Don't do it off the lights. You'll kill someone.
 
Hmm...of course a video game is not going to be accurate. If you watched the loading menu you'd see it says "some cars may perform better then in real life then in game" you have to have different things in video games to make the video game more challenging. So for instance a 30,000 car could not beat Miata they edited car performance to keep the game balanced
 
Originally posted by Famine
*slap*

If you want to race, go to a race track. Don't do it off the lights. You'll kill someone.
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yeah *slap*
 
*slap* indeed!

anyhow, its just a game. you cant really expect perfection when thousands of screaming fans want it released months early and they have to rush to get it out on time... I dont want gt4 to be rushed at all
 
Well, I haven't heard of anyone else doing that, so I guess you're the first!

I think that (with the FF cars particularly), you're not getting to be able to accurately reproduce the expert driving techniques that the Autocar staff use to get their standing start times. The PS2 controllers are never going to be as sensitive as a proper clutch and throttle.
 
Technically you aren't allowed to race on track days! 190 quid to go and 350 quids worth of tyres... perhaps if it was cheaper. I'll bet i obey speed limits more than anyone on here. If its 30, i do 30, if its 40 i do forty. If its 50-60, there's no crossings and no where people can cross, the road has 2 lanes and there is no traffic ANYWHERE near me, then i'll race anything. No undertaking, no blind corners no drifting from different lanes round corners and i ALWAYS indicate, even in a burnup. I dont lose my trag when someone cuts me up and sit on the horn for 5 minutes and i dont get the hump and start driving like a C**T like everyone i know!
 
Originally posted by Trappy
No undertaking
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In the UK, that isn't specifically against the law - there is NO written element of the Road Traffic Act, or indeed the Highway Code, saying you cannot undertake in normal flow of traffic. Don't do it around policemen, as they are likely to nick you on "Without Due Care and Attention" technicalities. But it isn't specifically illegal.

However, I agree with you on everything else so far.
 
I think there are some problems when trying to compare GT3 with real life (RL). I've listed a few:

1. No clutch - for obvious reasons this changes some of the ways the cars act.

2. No sensation of speed. I'm currently doing the Tahiti Maze time trial (swear, curse:mad: ) and on the first corner I though "This car is revered for its handling, but it's crap!" only to look at the speedo to see 100+ km/h. The point is I couldn't to the corner near that speed IRL, in GT3 it just feels slower.

3. It's harder to take off without spinning the wheels because it's quite difficult to control your rpm with a ds2.

4. very annoying traction control/asc.
 
Originally posted by Glut
4. very annoying traction control/asc.
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Turn them off.

No-one I know (at least no-one that I know the GT3 driving habits of - and that list covers pretty much the top 50 GT3 drivers on this Earth) uses ASM at all. Only a few use TCS in any form, and then only set to 1 at most.
 
TCS and ASM should not be included in GT4. ;) They are 'cheating aids' in my opinion.
 
Originally posted by Mustang-man
TCS and ASM should not be included in GT4. ;) They are 'cheating aids' in my opinion.
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Agreed. The only time I use traction control is with F1 cars at Laguna Seca. That's it. The reason why? I like to take the corkscrew as fast as I can, and I can go a lot faster through it with just a touch of traction control.

I even hate the fact that I can't change the LS differential for a regular differential in the race cars. That 5 is still too much LS for me!
 
Turn them off.
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Unfortunately on the TTs and in racing style arcade, you can't. :mad:

Originally posted by Mustang-man
TCS and ASM should not be included in GT4. ;) They are 'cheating aids' in my opinion.
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But they're very good for learners and non-hardcore racers. I found that in GT2 new players couldn't use fast FR or MR cars because they couldn't control them. Which was a major drawback in playing 2 player games with mates.
 
Originally posted by Glut
Unfortunately on the TTs and in racing style arcade, you can't. :mad:
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Sydney = PAL, so you can.

Go to the "Options" menu, and scroll across to the third or second right icon. You have the option to turn off ASM or TCS now.

In NTSC versions, you can't. *shrugs*
 
a couple things:

i think the ff's are woefully mis-powered. i was playing with a certain ff car last night and noticed that it took a few upgrades to get the 0-60 down to 6.3-ish times. 6.3 is about what it does in the real world. also, the redline was off from the real thing.

but the most annoying thing for me is that the shift points are off. when i can shift at 40, 60, and 85 in the real thing, shouldn't it come like that in stock form in the game? that seems like one of the easiest things to get right. maybe the numbers weren't "official" during the making of gt3 for the car. i realize that there are transmission upgrades available, but it makes me wonder what other car statistics are off... (super special extra mega bonus points if you can guess the car!)

on a side note, would one of you brits explain the whole quid, pence, pound, sterling thing for me? do you still use that, or did you convert to the euro? do you use both?
 
"Quid" is slang for "Pound", or more properly "Pound Sterling". Pence are hundredths of a pound, the singular being "Penny".

If we tried to convert to the Euro, there'd be a repeat of that whole, unpleasant, Guy Fawkes thing.

The car was the Honda Integra Type-R.

Originally posted by Mustang-man
TCS and ASM should not be included in GT4. ;) They are 'cheating aids' in my opinion.
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But... they make you slower...
 
Sorry about the use of 'quid', but my pound sign button seems to have been changed for a #... The speech mark is now@ and the 'at' thing(@) has swapped place with something else. I think my keyboard is pissed or something! LOL.

The 1.6 mx5 red lines at 8,000rpm in the game when it should be 7,000rpm. You're right, you'd think that would be an easy thing to get right.

Whats the latsest release for GT4 in the uk? I need some new cars to play with.
 
Trappy: If you're on WinXP just goto control panel > regional and language settings and change everything to UK.
 
Originally posted by Glut
Unfortunately on the TTs and in racing style arcade, you can't. :mad:



But they're very good for learners and non-hardcore racers. I found that in GT2 new players couldn't use fast FR or MR cars because they couldn't control them. Which was a major drawback in playing 2 player games with mates.
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actually, famine in the NTSC version you can too, it's in the same menu that you set the transmission to automatic/manual in the options.
 
Originally posted by Famine
Sydney = PAL, so you can.

Go to the "Options" menu, and scroll across to the third or second right icon. You have the option to turn off ASM or TCS now.

In NTSC versions, you can't. *shrugs*
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You mean I've been rorting myself.
ARRGGH!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
 
Happy Guy Fawkes Day!

...and I didn't get you anything... :sick:

(and I was actually referring to the Acura RSX Type-S)
 
Same car :D (notice how I didn't add a model year to the Integra, just to leave myself a little breathing room :D)

MillenniumHand (and Shrimp) - Sure? On my NTSC-to-PAL save game, there is no option, and plenty of my associates from across the water complain that ASM/TCS are always on for their Time Trials...
 
I'm sure, I have this here ntsc copy of gt3, it lets me change it on the arcade cars.
 
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